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Hello
I'm tracing the Haines family who I've traced back to Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire.
I've pretty much been able to get back to 1841 through looking up census records, and using the internet, but it'd be great to have some help in trying to get back further than that... or maybe finding out some interesting info :)
This is where I'm at...
Peter Haines born c1796 in Chipping Campden
Married Eliza Hobbins (born c.1786) on 11 November 1824 in Chipping Campden
1841 Census listed as: Farmer, The Wheatsheaf Inn, High Street, Badsey (pictured below in 1920's)
(http://www.badsey.net/photos/ob84.jpg)
1851 Census listed as: Occupier of 4 acres of land & beer seller at The Bell Inn, Bakers Lane, Badsey
They had 9 children: including John James
John James Haines born 29 July 1827 in Chipping Campden
Married Felicia Phipps [Born c.1832 in Bretforton] on 6 November 1853 in Bretforton
1861-91 Census listed as: Boot Maker/Master Cordwainer, 41 Bridge Street, Evesham
They had 6 children: Including Owen
Owen Haines born 1 October 1854, Evesham
Married Emily Elizabeth Tyler Born C.1867, Worcester
1901 Census listed as: Commercial Agent , Bedwardine Road, Worcester
They had 4 children including Cyril Tyler
Cyril Tyler Haines born 1896, Worcester
Married Lois Bowley from Coalville Leics
They lived in Quinton, Harbourne, Bham.
The had 2 children including John Bowley (my father)
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Found this entry on the familysearch pilot site
Peter Haines baptised 4th January 1800 Chipping Campton, parents Samuel Haines and Nancy.
helina
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familysearch.org has a Peter Haines christened in Chipping Camden on 4th Jan 1800, parents shown as Samuel Haines and Nancey
John James Haines christened 29 July 1827 in Chipping Camden, parents shown as Peter and Eliza Haines
There is a record of a marriage between Samuel Haines and Nancy Stathorn (Hathorn in other record on same page) on 13 Apr 1762 at Bitton, Gloucestershire.
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Another entry
Peter Hains (without the e ) christened 11th June 1894 Chipping Campton. Parents John and Mary Hains
Batch no C026211
helina
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Hello
Thanks for your replies. I've just found this on another website too:
1762 Samuel Haynes==Nancy Hathorn 13/4/1762 Bitton. (is this Nancy HAINS of Oldland buried 5th January 1831 aged 100 at Bitton?)
I wonder if they were Peter's parents. I'll have to see if I can find something in the parish records, or maybe something is on the gravestone.
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1762 Samuel Haynes==Nancy Hathorn 13/4/1762 Bitton. (is this Nancy HAINS of Oldland buried 5th January 1831 aged 100 at Bitton?)
I wonder if they were Peter's parents. I'll have to see if I can find something in the parish records, or maybe something is on the gravestone.
See my above post, Familysearch says they were anyway! Peter's parents shown as Samuel and Nancy....
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1762 Samuel Haynes==Nancy Hathorn 13/4/1762 Bitton. (is this Nancy HAINS of Oldland buried 5th January 1831 aged 100 at Bitton?)
I wonder if they were Peter's parents. I'll have to see if I can find something in the parish records, or maybe something is on the gravestone.
See my above post, Familysearch says they were anyway! Peter's parents shown as Samuel and Nancy....
Thank you Mc :)
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Excuse me for butting in here;
If Hannah HAYNES nee HATHORN died in 1831 age 100 and was born c 1831.
If this is the one that Married Samuel Haynes 1762 and had Peter 1800 she would be 69 when she gave Birth to Peter ???
The one Helena found is a better fit in my opinion for Peters Parents ie JOHN/MARY
Trish :)
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Not sure where you got Eliza born c 1786?
In 1851/1861 census she is born c 1804, Helmington, Warwickshire.
Someone has corrected one Census to Ilmington
Possible;
Eliza HOBBINS, Christened 03 February 1804, Ilmington, Warwickshire
Parents THOMAS/ELIZABETH
(IGI Extracted)
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You might find some useful info here: http://www.allthecotswolds.com Just "enter" and select Chipping Campden, and you can see what's available (includes marriages from 1717 to 1837).
Jane
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Many thanks for all of your help & suggestions - it's a bit of a minefield isn't it?! :) Fascinating stuff... THanks for the links Scuda x
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Hi, Peter Haines (b1796) was my wifes Great - Great Grandfather. The Bell is now a private house. Doug
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Hi, Peter Haines (b1796) was my wifes Great - Great Grandfather. The Bell is now a private house. Doug
Hi Doug - That's right - I visited Badsey not so long ago to take a look!
How lovely to hear from you :)
Which one of Peter's children was your wife a descendant of?
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Hi,
Pauline's line from Peter is: - William - Joseph - Annie (Pauline's Mother); How about you; Pauline does not have many Haines relatives and was very pleased to see your post.
We met the man who owns the building and he was took us round. Its now in two parts but it was exciting for Pauline to stand where Peter lived - and worked. We are trying to find a photo of the Bell. He must have farmed the land at the back of the pub which is now the Wheatsheaf car park.
I have just seen your previous post - so you are descended from Peter's eldest son John.
Doug
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Hi, Do we know for certain Peter's perants and where they came from? Doug
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Hi, Do we know for certain Peter's perants and where they came from? Doug
Good morning :)
It's so difficult to trace back from Peter, but I spent many hours digging around.
This is what I found and it ties in with dates and the family history of Inn keeping/farming & Chipping Campden.
I think Peter's parent were:
Nancy & Samuel Haines
Nancy Haines, Bapt. 30 July 1769 at Aston Subedge. Married Samuel Haines in 1791 at Chipping Campden.
Not sure if Nancy was born a Haines, as no mention of a maiden name. Perhaps they were cousins? Don't know
Records show they had these children:
- Ann Haines, Born c1792.
- John Haines.
- Sarah Haines, Bapt. 2 Jan. 1795 at Chipping Campden.
- Elizabeth Haines, Bapt. 2 Jan. 1796 at Chipping Campden.
- Dinah Haines, Bapt. 4 Jan. 1799 at Chipping Campden & Died 1823.
- Peter Haines, Born c1799 - Christened 4 Jan 1800 in Chipping Campden
- Mary Haines, Born c1806. M 1831 at Chipping Campden, Lewis Pritchett Barnes. Died 1861.
Samuel Haines (Peter's father) was registered as a Gloucestershire sheep dealer at eleven at the George Inn (now the Noel Arms) Chipping Campden.
(http://q.bstatic.com/images/hotel/max300/123/1234665.jpg)
The Noel Arms is rich in history!! In 1651 the future Charles II rested here after his Scottish army was defeated by Cromwell at the battle of Worcester and for centuries the hotel has entertained visitors to the ancient and unspoilt, picturesque Cotswold Village of Chipping Campden.
I've actually gone back a little further and found this entry too:
John Haines of Aston Subedge married Nancy [Bapt. 27 Nov. 1742] at Weston Subedge.
Married on 9 Oct. 1767 at Weston Subedge,. Could be Nancy's or Peter's parents?
It all gets a bit wishy-washy doesn't it - ancestory.co.uk is probably the best place to go now but funds won't allow at the moment. I have a friend who registered who managed to trace back to the 1600's.
Do you still live in the area? We live in Redditch.
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Wow - Not only for the information which is a real help but also because we live in Redditch. I will try and send you a direct message with my contact details; please let me know if you have not received it by tonight and I will try again.
Out of interest I am not sure that Peter was at the Bell in 1841; the census just say's he was a farmer. The Badsey.net website says he was at the Bell in School Lane but I cannot see where that comes from. I am on Ancestor.co.uk but it is not much help.
Regards
Doug
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Good morning All
I have just joined and this is my first posting (if i get it right).
I have just started researching James Haines (born 1861 in Chipping Campden) and wife Elizabeth (Born 1862 in Reading). They have four children that i know of: Minnie, James, Victor and Florrie. Minnie we believe is my husband's grandmother.
Any info would be wonderful.
Many thanks
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Good morning All
I have just joined and this is my first posting (if i get it right).
I have just started researching James Haines (born 1861 in Chipping Campden) and wife Elizabeth (Born 1862 in Reading). They have four children that i know of: Minnie, James, Victor and Florrie. Minnie we believe is my husband's grandmother.
Any info would be wonderful.
Many thanks
Hi Mrs TW
I don't think it's the same line of Haines' although no doubt I'm sure if you traced further back we'd be related. There are lots of Haines' in Chipping Campden. It's probably worth using a census website to go back further - I personally use www.1901censusonline.com as it's pay as you go. Good luck and let us know how you get on.
:) :) :)
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Thanks for the suggestion.
I now have James' father and mother (James and Elizabeth both from Campden, 1832 and 1836) and they are in Leaseborne in the 1861 census. They have five children with James being under 1 year.
Looking at 1871 census there might be 11 children in total.
I think i might be busy!
Regards
Jill :)
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Hi
I am related to Peter Haines from Chipping Camden on my mothers side. Are you still stuck with some dates?
Ken
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Hi
I am related to Peter Haines from Chipping Camden on my mothers side. Are you still stuck with some dates?
Ken
Hi Ken, I must admit I haven't looked into this for a while, I kinda hit a brick wall (metaphorically speaking), so put it on the back burner. If you have any information you can give me I would be eternally grateful. My dad (John Haines) is in his 80's and would be thrilled too. Kind regards, Rachel (nee Haines).
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Peter Haines parents were John Haines and Mary Cockbill. I've gone back a further two generations. You can find the dates etc on my website www.austinfamilytree.com If you have any other names and dates, I'd love to have them.
Best Ken
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Peter Haines parents were John Haines and Mary Cockbill. I've gone back a further two generations. You can find the dates etc on my website www.austinfamilytree.com If you have any other names and dates, I'd love to have them.
Best Ken
Hi Ken, that's interesting :) How did you manage to find out who Peter's parents were? I don't have any more information than you already have unfortunately. Kind regards, Rachel
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I have a relation in Canada who has been researching through a friend in the Records office. I added some of your information too, hope you don't mind. I have also been in contact with a Lady who says that she has traced our line through to George Washington, by marriage re the Palmer/Brill/Roads line. she has shown me the evidence, but I'm still a bit sceptical. Best of luck with your search.
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Hi :)
Peter Haines and Elizabeth Hobbins are showing up as my 4th Great grandparents and their son George Peter Haynes is my 3rd Great grandfather and it looks as if he was possibly a saddle maker. Does anyone know how many siblings George had? and what their names were? or does anyone have more information on Peter and Elizabeth Haines?
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Hi Ellie
Do you have any dates for the above? Thanks.
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Hi Ken,
The dates showing on ancestry are:
George Peter Haynes 1838 - 1871
Peter Haines 1794 - 1861
Elizabeth Hobbins 1804 - 1868
These dates could be completely wrong.
Also Peters parents are showing up as John Hanies and Mary Cockbill
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Welcome to Rootschat Ellie07
From an earlier reply by me on this original query;
Not sure where you got Eliza born c 1786?
In 1851/1861 census she is born c 1804, Helmington, Warwickshire.
Someone has corrected one Census to Ilmington
Possible;
Eliza HOBBINS, Christened 03 February 1804, Ilmington, Warwickshire
Parents THOMAS/ELIZABETH
(IGI Extracted)
Trish :)
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Hi Ellie!
Then we are distant cousins! Pleased to meet you :)
I'm a bit busy today but I can supply you with a family tree that goes back to the 1600s.
I'd love to chat more.
Best wishes,
Rachel (nee Haines)
Hi :)
Peter Haines and Elizabeth Hobbins are showing up as my 4th Great grandparents and their son George Peter Haynes is my 3rd Great grandfather and it looks as if he was possibly a saddle maker. Does anyone know how many siblings George had? and what their names were? or does anyone have more information on Peter and Elizabeth Haines?
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Hi Rachel, That's great! nice to meet you :)
That would be brilliant, thank you.