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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Redda on Monday 28 March 11 16:21 BST (UK)
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Hi! I'm trying to trace the Ensall line in my family, but struggling! My great grandfather was William Ensall (1897-1964) and he was married to Edith Wild (1900-1968). William's father was also William Ensall, but he died very young (1872-1905). His wife was Elizabeth Moyneux, who died in 1936.
Beyond that, I can find little else, even on censuses.
Can anyone help? x ;D
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You've given us an idea of dates but perhaps if you could tell us where they lived we might be able to help by finding them in census or other records or even suggest where you could search next.
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Ahh yes that would help. I know that my grandparents were born in Rochdale, Lancashire, so William and Edith would have lived there too. William and Elizabeth as far as I can figure were born in lancashire too, possibly in the wigan area.
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Hello Redda
Have you found the family in 1911 yet?
We are not allowed to do look ups,but from the indexes there appears to be a 13 year old William living in Rochdale......but born in Scotland!
Carol
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Ah yes that will be him. I found him on the 1901 but not the 1911. Will look, thanks! x
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Can we recheck dates?
Here is the marriage of William and Elizabeth-
Oct/Nov/Dec 1886
Wigan 8c 56
William Ensall / Elizabeth Molyneux on same page
but, if yr of birth is 1872 as you state, he would only be 14 .....
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IN 1901 they are at 493 Warrington Road Ince in Makerfield.
Jos Gerrard head 60 widower labourer in coalmine b Farnworth
Jas Gerrard 15 son " " B Ince
Ellen Gerrard 12 dau b Ince
John Rostern 78 father in law widower b Wigan
Wm Ensall 35 son in law drawer in coal mine b Wolverhampton
Elizabeth Ensall 33 step dau b Ince
Jane Ensall 5 grandaughter b Wishaw Scotland
Wm Ensall 3 grandson b " "
RG13/ 3563 folio 72 page 12
Carol
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William Ensall died in Dec 1904 aged just 37(b 1867)
In Wigan ref 8c page 45
Carol
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Hi Carol
that gives a yro f birth of about 1866 for him, making him 20 at marriage
Makes more sense.
Interesting relationships in 1901
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I apologise lizdb, I got that wrong! Thanks so much for finding the marriage!
Thanks carol- thats all great. Very interesting household in 1901!!
I m just struggling to find him parents now. Ive found Elizabeths I think, just double checking...
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1891 at 19 Cross Street Ince
William Ensall head 24 Ironworks puddler b Wolverhampton
Elizabeth wife 23 b Ince in Makerfield
Samuel son 1 b Ince
Lois Clemson single 24 boarder cotton reeler b Bent Staffs
George Clemson 2 boarder b Pemberton Lancs
Rg 12/ 3060 foiol 74 page 33
Carol
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Can't find him before that though?
The link with the 1901 lot is probably relevant here.
Ahhh,have found Joseph Gerrard in 1891 and his link is to the Molyneux's not the Ensall's :(
Carol
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:( thought he might be with her being the step daughter.
I guess I'll have to see if I can get a birth certificate for William to find his parents
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No blatantly obvious taker for him in the Birth index
I cant see him in earlier censuses either.
I wonder if he too came from a complex family like his bride.
Might be worth going for his marriage cert to see what he says about a father?
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No I just thought that too Liz........no obvious birth record.
Maybe born illegimately under mum's maiden name?
I wonder if his dad was from Scotland.....why would they have 2 of their kids up there otherwise?
Carol
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Good idea. There is a thomas ensall living in ince, born around the same time in staffs, as was william. I wonder if this was his brother? He is also on the 1901 census in lanarkshire, where william jr was born. Seems an awful lot of coincidences...
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.....indeed, I see Thomas pops up to Scotland to have his children too!
RG12 3061 54 45
1891
Ince
Thomas 26 Puddler in Ironworks bn Wolverhampton
Maria 26 bn Wolv.
George son 5 bn Scotland
Mary Ensall lodger 18 bn Lancashire
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.....indeed, I see Thomas pops up to Scotland to have his children too!
Maybe their mum is a midwife!!!
And Mary sounds like she might be a sister?
Carol
PS A sister of Thomas and William.......not a nursing sister 8)
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Its all very odd! I think likely that he is his brother- something else to investigate!
As for the Molyneux's, all the more confusing looking at the 1891...
Joseph Gerrard Head Male 50 abt 1841 Wigan Lancashire England
Jane Gerrard Wife Female 45 abt 1846 Wigan Lancashire England
Walter Molyneux Son Male 20 abt 1871 Charleston Yorkshire England
Thomas Molyneux Son Male 19 abt 1872 Charleston Yorkshire England
Samuel Molyneux Son Male 15 abt 1876 Warrington Lancashire England
Annie Molyneux Daughter Female 10 abt 1881 Ince in Makerfield
James Gerrard Son Male 5 abt 1886 Ince in Makerfield
Nellie Gerrard Daughter Female 2 abt 1889 Ince in Makerfield
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I think Mary is their sister too. But as for mummy and daddy, who knows...
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Mary wasn't born either ;D
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Definitely something fishy going on! Perhaps illegitimate as you suggest...
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Looks like Jane Gerrard had been married before to a Mr Molyneux, and had Walter/Thomas/Samuel and Annie as well as ELizabeth who went on to marry Wm Ensall
(why is Rootscaht soo slow for me today - I keep trying to post this and it never gets there before more red letters come up!
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Do you have access to the 1911?
See where Thomas and Maria (nee Griffiths) are then and where all their kids were born...........bar the first one.
carol
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Looks like Jane Gerrard had been married before to a Mr Molyneux, and had Walter/Thomas/Samuel and Annie as well as ELizabeth who went on to marry Wm Ensall
(why is Rootscaht soo slow for me today - I keep trying to post this and it never gets there before more red letters come up!
Ahhhh I see- will look into that. All way to complicated for my poor brain!
I only have access to the 1911 summary books, so cant see much. Just Mr & mrs, not first names.
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Back to Ensalls - I think there are more opf them!
The Lois Clemsom who is lodging with WIlliam in 1891 , marries in 1892 -
Oct/Nov/Dec 1892
Wigan 8c 63
Lois Clemson
one of grooms on same page .....Joseph Ensall!
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Eeeek! How very complex! I will look up Joseph...
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RG13 3563 151 3
Ince in Makerfield
Joseph Ensall 31 Puddler at Ironworks bn Wolverhampton
Lois 34 bn Golden Hill Staffs
George 11 bn Wigan
Elizabeth 6 bn Wistow Scotland
Lucy 1 bn Ince
recognise the pattern? bn WOlverhamton, now living in Ince, an Iron Puddler, child born in Scotland!
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I was just about to make the same links!!! The plot thickens...
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So ...
we have three boys, all using the surname Ensall as adults,
all saying consistantly they were born in Wolverhamton, all living in Ince in Lancashire by 1891, all iron puddlers, and all having at least one child who was born in Wistow Scotland.
None were born with surname Ensall, none appear on earlier censuses as Ensall.
Jospeh bn about 1870
William bn about 1867
Thomas bn about 1865
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Thats right. Such common names though, I doubt I'd be able to find much more without a marriage certificate of some kind.
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An adoption perhaps?
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Perhaps a breakthrough?? Found this on a local history website for wolverhampton...
ENSALL Thomas son of Henry & Elizabeth 18 Feb 1869 1 Ct.Brunswick Street Puddler Rowland Willis Born 31 Oct
1864
St.George
The date is slightly different but negotioble, and note the key word? Puddler... Hmmmmmmm
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I like it ;D
Cant see them in 1871 tho'
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Crikey- I vanish for half an hour an the mystery is nearly solved :)
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:) I know, its fantastic isnt it. So exciting! x
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Ahha
I've found Wm E in 1871 aged 1.
Will type it up next.
RG10/3080 folio 107 page 37 in Malvern Street Kings Norton Worcs.
Henry Ensall head 32 Clerk and draughtsman b Kings Swinford Staffs
Maria 26 wife b Burnley
GHG (!) son 7 scholar b "
Wm E son 1 b Birmingham Warwickshire
Lucy Gallimore visitor 13 sewing machinist b Birmingham Warwickshire
Carol
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there is a marriage for a Henry Ensall here - but it seems a tad early for the parents of our three boys
Oct/Nov/Dec 1845
Wolverhampton 17 460
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RG10/3080 folio 107 page 37 in Malvern Street Kings Norton Worcs.
Henry Ensall head 32 Clerk and draughtsman b Kings Swinford Staffs
Maria 26 wife b Burnley
GHG (!) son 7 scholar b "
Wm E son 1 b Birmingham Warwickshire
Lucy Gallimore visitor 13 sewing machinist b Birmingham Warwickshire
Clerk and draughtsman sounds a bit different to Iron Puddler.
I wonder if it is the same family or not ..who knows?
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I found a birth of a henry ensall in wolverhampton again in 1843. WHich would make him 22. Possible!
If it is him henrys parents are ann and thomas ensell according to the census. Slight change in spelling is the only thing, but these things can alter over time.
Carol, I dont think that other one fits. maybe a different family... i'm just not sure!?!
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Oh blow- and I got so excited finding a William born abt 1869 too ;D
They're not in Brunswick Street on the 1871 either.
Sorry I found someone too posh to be yours LOL ;D
Carol
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Haha, yes indeed, only manual workers for me if you please!
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We need to find what our three boys were registered as, and what name they used as children. Otherrwise we may go off on completely the wrong track, they may not have started life as Ensalls at at all. Ensall may be the name of a step dad, or something.
Tho' that christening you found indicates some Ensall parents for Thomas - but what happens to that baby Thomas? where is he on the subsequent censuses?
I think if I were you, (which I am not!) I would like to see Williams marriage cert to see who he names as his father. Actually I'd really like to see Wm's, Thomas's and Joseph's, if I were made of money!
MUST go and get dinner now!
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Yes, I think that will be my next plan. Me too, food calls!
Thanks so much for all the help!! x
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Are you still searching for Ensall's? My grandmother was Jane Ensall, born Wishaw, Scotland. Lived in Rochdale. Must be the same Jane you found. We knew they came from Wigan area, but nothing else.
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Hi, My grandmother was Mary Ann Ensall McManus. She is daughter of George and Gertrude (Boulder) Ensall born in 1921, she dies in 1975. She married my grandfather Frank MCManus in 1945 and lived in Woburn, MA outside of Boston. They had six kids and 12 grandchildren.
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Oh one more thing my grandmother was fromWarrington, England. Mary Ann "Molly" Ensall McManus.