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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: whiteKat on Friday 25 March 11 11:20 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for the parents and family of Elizabeth Wheeler born in Wick in 1796. Elizabeth married Edward Ashwin in 1814 in South Littleton I have evidence to support the marriage.
Family story tells me that Elizabeth’s father was William but on much research I can find nothing to support this at all. I have found evidence of an Elizabeth Wheeler being born to a Richard Wheeler and Sarah Rimell at around the right time.
On Elizabeth’s marriage record there is a Rimell as witness so I feel I am on the right track with this Richard being her father. This Richard was born 2 April 1769 at Wick near Pershore to a Richard and Olive Stanton. I believe the latter Richard was born around 1740 and Olive around 1739.
Elizabeth later in life went to New Zealand with some of her children. Can anyone help in placing Elizabeth with all her correct family members please? I would be most appreciative of any help. Thank you.
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Hi,
The web site below may throw some light on the Rimels and Eliz Wheeler. I am also trying to trace her husband Edward and his father - with some difficulty. Eliz obituary states that Edward was from Cockhill House Gloucestershire which I am having difficulty finding and I believe was given to him by his father Thomas?
http://rimellgenealogy.blogspot.com/2006/03/ws-3-john-rimell-1733-1805.html
When you ask for more information in her family are you looking for that in NZ or her descendants?
regards
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Hello zepher
I am really excited at finding a kindred spirit searching for Edward Ashwin. I am having so much trouble placing him.
I tried to modify in my hurry and made a real mess.
See below.
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Sorry I pressed the wrong button -but here it is again.
I am really excited at finding a kindred spirit searching for Edward Ashwin. I am having so much trouble placing him.
Thank you enormously for the link to the Rimells - there is heaps to decipher there. I will enjoy looking through it.
I am interested in Elizabeth's Obituary - is there more to tell about it? Elizabeth Ashwin nee Wheeler died in New Zealand - are we talking about the same person? My family story tells me that Edward came from COOKHILL- and that his father was Thomas - is that the same do you think?
Do you know who Edward's mother was?
Thanks heaps for all the information.
whiteKat
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Hi, yes that is the right Elizabeth, you most probably have all this but, she came to NZ with her two daughters Helen and Mary Anne (Marion) son Martin Richard, his wife Emma Priscilla Copson and their children at the time, Theodore Craven, Martin Edward and Lily Fiddian and settled in Christchurch. Elizabeth Wheelers husband Edward Ashwin died around the age of 45 but I'm not sure where or the exact date and have presumed its at Cookhill. I have a copy of a letter that infers that Edwards father was Thomas Ashwin of Tower Hill, Bidford Stratford Upon Avon and had four sons and a daughter; Manley, Edward, William, Thomas and Caroline. Manley settled at Honeybourne, Edward at Cookhill, William to Willersley and Thomas remained at Tower Hill with his father and his fathers maiden sister. It also states that Thomas senior married the daughter of John Manley esquire of Charlecote Manor and Honeyborne Farm estates. I have found a Thomas Ashwin marrying a Hester Manley 20 April 1719 at Church Honeybourne but the dates don't correlate to the Edward\Elizabeth Wheeler union.
regards
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Hi zepher
This is most interesting! I have nearly the same information that you have identified - but the format of my information is really hard to decipher. It is not in letter form but someone has typewritten the details - trying to sort out each of the families which to me is a little hard to work out in regard to dates. I am wondering who Senior Thomas's maiden sister is? I think you have a little more information than I appear to have.
I was given the information from my cousin in New Zealand. I am a direct descendent of Martin Richard Ashwin and live in Australia. Do you know what year Elizabeth and daughters sailed for New Zealand?
In my research I have found a Thomas Ashwin born in 1801 and an Ann Ashwin born in 1795 having children named:
Manly Ashwin 1827
Thomas Ashwin 1830
Caroline Ashwin 1833
William Ashwin 1835
Stephen Godfrey 1837
...but no Edward. I am finding it hard to fit any of this family to earlier dates which would be right for the Edward who married Elizabeth in 1814 at South Litltleton. I think Edward was born around 1790.
Martin Richard was the last child born to Edward and Elizabeth in 1831. I have found a burial for an Edward Ashwin in 1832 at Bidford the source citation is FamilySearch English Deaths and Burials from 1538 - 1991.Family story tells me he died from black jaundice - which nowadays is Wiel's Disease. I feel this could be my Edward but have no verification.
The Thomas and Hester of marriage in 1719 are no doubt somehow related.
I am just so thrilled at finding someone else in search of Edward Ashwin. I felt I was sailing alone.
I am more than happy at any time to share my information on this family if I can help. Thank you again for all your help. I am really excited.
whiteKat
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Hi
Snap I am also a direct descendant of Martin R Ashwin. His daughter Mabel (May) was my grandmother.
Sailed out on the Sebastopol
Sailed London 17th January 1863 - arrived Lyttelton 21st May 1863
Cabin Passengers
Second Cabin
Ashwin Helen
Mary
Ashwin Sarah E. Wheeler
Ashwin Martin
Emma
Craven
Helen
Mary
Martin
Lilly
I have a note that says Sarah Elizabeth Wheeler daughter of Eliz brother Richard, also came out with them and on this shipping list I think there is an error in the shipping list and it should be Ashwin Elizabeth and Wheeler Sarah E.
Subsequent children or M R A and Emma born in NZ were;
Esther, Jane, Edith, Charles, Manley, Leonard, James, Clara, Mabel, Jessie, Darcy and Cecil - Emma was around 45 when Cecil was born, some family.
There is also a Sarah E Ashwin born 1862 and died the same year.
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Hi zepher
Thanks again for your information on the Ashwins' emigration. I too was confused as I could not find Elizabeth on the Sebastopol with Martin and his family and sisters - what you say makes sense.
I was aware that Elizabeth's niece Sarah Elizabeth went to New Zealand with the Ashwins but did not know who her father was - so it was Richard! Thanks for that - it sorts one of my questions.
My Great Great Grandmother was Esther Alexandra Cunningham Ashwin who married Frederick Gover - son of the Reverend Robert Gover.
I am interested in the letter you mentioned naming Thomas and his family. Do you know who wrote the letter? I still cannot place Edward Ashwin with the Thomas and Ann of my knowledge as the dates don't fit.
Am I looking at the wrong Ashwins? Do your dates correlate with dates I have found for the children - as above? I could well be barking up the wrong tree - but the childrens' names are the same!
Any further information would be gratefully received. Again thanks for your information.
whiteKat
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Hi, If you would like to email me directly I can send you some more detailed information
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I would absolutely love to. Thanks so much - it means a lot.
whiteKat
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Hi
Mabel Ashwin was my great grandmother also. I have researched the Ashwin family for many years and have a lot of info, including the same letter from Martin to his son Manley, about the family back in England. Some of it doesnt quite fit, but I imagine Martins memory may have failed him slightly by then. I also have a letter from the Wheeler side, some things do tie in.
Does anyone happen to have a photo of Martin??
Would love to contact anyone else descended from this very large family!
Regards
Ro
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Hello timandro,
Welcome to the Rootschat - I have found it an amazing site! I have gained so much information from the many generous people out there who so willingly give of their knowledge - and I hope to be able to return this in part as I am able.
I am a descendant of Esther Alexandra Cunningham Ashwin - daughter also of Martin Richard and Emma Priscilla. She was my Great Grandmother. I too would love to have a photo of Martin Richard - this I do not have but I do have a photo of Emma Priscilla. If you wish I could send you a copy. After three posts I would be able to talk to you through Personal Messages attached to this site.
I also have a copy of the letter from Martin Richard to his son Manley - and likewise I agree that a lot doesn't tally. I have been researching the Ashwins for some little time now but I find it somewhat confusing trying to fit the correct Ashwins families together - and trying to sort the Bretfortin Ashwins from the Bidford on Avon Ashwins etc.
I see also that you have a letter from the Wheeler side of the family that explains a little more. I would be most interested in learning more about the Wheelers and about the Wheeler letter if you so wish.
Regards
whiteKat
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Hi whiteKat
I also have a pic of Emma, it is probably the same as you have, as I think it circulated around the family, it shows a lovely determined looking lady.
I have a heap of info collected over the years, and lots of interesting little bits and pieces about all the Ashwins, which I am happy to share with another 'cousin'
Regards
Ro
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Hi again,
I am also in contact with a lovely Wheeler cousin (in NZ) who has shared a lot of her side of the family with me, including the letter which sets out all the family names, dates, etc, and links to the Ashwins.
So far I also havent been able to connect the Bretforton Ashwins to the Bidford family, but not from lack of trying!
Ro
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Hello Ro,
That would be wonderful of you! I will send you my email address through Personal Messages. I would be delighted to receive any information on the Wheelers - I just find it fascinating putting the story together. Thank you so much for your kind offer.
I have been thinking - there must be very many of us now down the line - descendants of the Ashwins and Wheelers related to each other in some way or another.
Kind regards
Kate
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Hi, I am an Ashwin descendant and really keen to know more about them. My great grandfather was Manley John Ashwin, son of Emma Priscilla and Martin Richard. Eighteen children is hard to imagine. I am going to go to Little Akaloa at the end of March and would like to know any details anyone has on their life there before they shifted to Hautapu. I am also going to see if there are any gravestones for the two (I think) children who died there. There may be some records in the local church about baptisms too. Did they leave because their house burned down? There is an article in the Akaroa newspaper Jan 6th 1882 mentioning a Mr Ashwin and a fire having destroyed his house.
I am keen to get a photo of Emma and Richard, is there any chance you can post one online or somehow get it to me.
Ashwin Hunter
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Hi. my great, great grandfather was James Ashwin (1798-1867) variously described as a sharebroker, surveyor, estate agent, coal merchant of Birmingham. His elder brother was Edward (b1788) a maltster also from Birmingham. Their parents were Edward (1755-1817) baker and maltster in Birmingham and Ann Roberts. Edward senior was from Honeybourne and the son of Manley Ashwin.
I thought that Edward Junior was married to Elizabeth Wheeler (1814 South Littleton, Worcs.). As Elizabeth Ashwin she appears as a widow in the 1851 census running a school in Hagley Road, Birmingham (not far from my childhood home). However it seems that I may be wrong here. Edward Ashwins died in 1827 in Birmingham and 1832 in Bidford on Avon, since Elizabeth's son Martin was born in 1832 the latter seems the most likely but on the other hand Bidford maybe makes him less likely to be the Edward married to Elizabeth Wheeler.
Now that I have thoroughly confused everyone perhaps there is someone who knows the truth of it?