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Hello
I'm hoping someone may be able to help me find my grandfather's family who were all living (and as far as I know, were all born) in Dublin. Despite extensive searches I can find no infomation as to what happened to the family after the 1911 census. Irish genealogy sites produce no results, unfortunately.
Here's the information I have:
James Deering (born approx 1868) and Julia Kavanagh (born approx 1874).
They had 7 children:
Julia (b.1889) - she is married on the 1911 census (surname Chapman) and has a son, James, b. approx 1911
James (b. 1893)
Nicholas (b. 1895) (my grandfather)
Christopher (Christy) (b. 1896)
William (b. 1899)
Annie (b. 1903)
John (b. 1905)
According to my grandfather's birth certificate they were living at 21 Chamber Street at the time of his birth. The 1911 census shows them at James Terrace, South Dock .
The only other record I have been able to find is of the baptism of Christopher in 1896 when the family was living at 14 Harmony Row, Dublin.
Nicholas came to England either during or following WW1 and married my grandma in 1919. His brother Christy was, I believe, in the merchant navy and served on the Atlantic convoys during WW2.
Julia may have moved to the North East of England but again, I can find no evidence of this.
If anyone has any information at all about the family (or if you're a long lost cousin!!) I would love to hear from you.
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hi,,there is a record of a medal card on Ancestry
Nicholas Deering Royal Irish Rifles 10263
Machine gun corps 17899
enlisted 12/11/1913 discharged 7/8/1918
entitled to the British,victory and Star medals.
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It's more difficult to trace forward unless you have some specific clues to follow... and you are sure the family stayed in Ireland. Unfortunately none of the family seems to have particular trade or business connections at that time, which means they are unlikely to appear in trade or street directories.
Parish records past about 1900 are not usually included online, so the best place to try is the Civil BMD Index on FamilySearch. There are not that many Deering entries in Dublin city and county on the census (64 individuals) so ordering certs based purely on location (i.e. Dublin City) might not be that much of a gamble.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Thanks for such a speedy replies Gortonboy and Shane!
That's my grandad - drafted to France with the first expeditionary force and served at the battle of Mons. He was also at the battles of Marne, the Aine, Neave Chapell and the Somme I believe. Brave chap, you'd never have thought it to look at him!!
Forwards or backwards, Shane - seems to be brick walls at either end!! There appears to be no information whatsoever on the parents, and hardly any for my grandfather's siblings. Ideally I'm trying to go back in time, but think I might have to go forwards to do that, if you see what I mean!
Many thanks to you both :)
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do you have marriage details for James and Julia ?
Shane
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Unfortunately I don't, Shane. I'm guessing, based on the birth date of their oldest child, that it would have been sometime in the late 1880s.
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The 1911 census states they are married about 29 years... so c1882, but according to the return neither James nor Julia can read or write.. so might not be accurate
Shane
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That's true - neither of them were literate. You could be correct in your calculation - it appears that Julia had produced 10 children in total, three of whom were no longer living at the time of the census, so Julia junior might be child "number 4" and the other three could have been born before her.
I'd have thought there'd be a record of their marriage somewhere - or perhaps I'm being a bit too optimistic!
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do you have the family in the 1901 census? i had a quick look ,,but cant see them? ;)
EDIT,,,,Its ok,,they are Dearing in the 1901 ;D
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Good work Gortonboy!!
I knew they had to be somewhere in 1901 - when I last checked the 1901 census (to be fair, I was at work and trying to do it without the boss noticing!) I never thought to check the alternative spelling ::) . I'm glad they changed it to the "double e" for the next census though, otherwise I'd never have found them!!!
Looks like Julia senior was born around 1866 and James in 1863 - hopefully this will give me some more to go on.
Thank you so much for all your help :)
Debs
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I had a quick search of the Civil BMD index for a marriage for James (Kavanagh is a very common surname - so much more difficult to search), but nothing promising in Dublin yet.. on the 1901 census they all state born Dublin City.
links to census returns for reference Deering household 1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_Dock/James_s_Terrace/83505/) / Dearing household - 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Barrow_Street/1286943/)
Other than the one you already found I dont see other likely baptisms for the children, but there is a possible civil birth for one of the older children under the spelling Dearing. Maybe they lived, and were married in a parish not yet covered by the IrishGeneaology website. Hopefully some more details will show up there under some unexpected spelling variation when they add further records later this year.
Shane
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Thanks Shane - I really appreciate your help with this.
Kavanagh is a nightmare to search for - I've tried lots of spelling variations and there are millions of them!!
I will keep searching - as you say, hopefully when further records are added something will turn up. I might even have to plan a visit to Dublin and do some "on the spot" research!!
Kind regards,
Debs
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Name: Nicholas Deering
Registration District: Dublin South
Event Type: Birth
Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1895
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 603
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Name : Julia Deering
Registration District: Dublin South
Event Type: Birth
Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1889
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 629
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Gortonboy, you're an absolute star!
I really can't thank you enough for finding those for me, I'm chuffed to bits, as they say! ;D
Kind regards,
Debs
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If I'm not mistaken, could this be the marriage of Julia (jnr) Deering and James Chapman in 1908?
Name: James Chapman
Registration District: Dublin South
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1908
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 688
Name: Julia Deering
Registration District: Dublin South
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1908
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 688
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the vital references match up (year/quarter, registration district, volume & page), so it's definitely worth a try ...
Shane
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Excellent!
Thank you both so much for getting me started on the right track with this. Hopefully more information will follow.
Debs
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Hi Debs
I can tell you that I am a cousin (if you call it that?) ;). James Sr was my Great Grandfather, his son John, my Grandfather. I go through stages of trying to piece the Family Tree together but always get stuck at finding James and Julia's marriage record :(
I'll keeping trying and let you know if I find any further information. Best of luck in your research!
:)
Fíona
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have you considered this chap
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/001fbb0129434
in 1883 on the prison register he gives his present address as 88 Nailor St,
Manchester if he is your man could they have married in England.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM3V-5N6
It also lists James Jnr as being born in Mark's Alley
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM7M-BZM
and Christopher in Harmony Row
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQR-XR4
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fn1/
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John 1922
http://census.militaryarchives.ie/pdf/Clonmel_2_Southern_Division_Page_6.pdf
William
http://census.militaryarchives.ie/pdf/Limerick_South_Western_Command_Page_186.pdf
William Deering and Annie Leahy
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/a4a9c76348764
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Deering Christopher https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBNC-53Y
D O B 20/12/ 1898? Fireman RS2 417979
photo £5
Voyages 1919
http://www.irishmariners.ie/searchdatabase.php?srch_surname=Deering&submit=Search
possible marriage to Mary Cush 1929
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/cc38a56177872
possibly lived John's Lane 1930s Digges St and Kells Road 1960s
http://databases.dublincity.ie/electoral/search.php
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Thanks a million Dathaí. That's great info to sift through.
;D
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Christopher's wife Mary Cush was born 28th April 1907 mothers maiden name Walsh http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/bc3d6a0673567
Here she is as Maggie aged 4 in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Merchants_Quay__part_of_/Newmarket_Street/77929/
her parents Henry Cush and Annie Walsh say they are 11 years married
however they appear to have got married in 1911
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/c6da856550947
they dont appear to have been together in 1901
Harry Cush
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Upper_Mount_Pleasant_Terrace/1294560/
Henry was from Killyleagh and Annie from Tallaght see prison registers.
1937 register of electors shows Henry and Annie Cush and Christopher and Mary J Deering all residing at 9 John's lane,East.
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The James Deering born to a William Deering and Anne Gore certainly seems like a good possibility as pointed out by Dathai ~
The Christian names William & Anne feature in James' own family ~ not a hard and fast rule but a good indicator.
Brown Street being the starting point for this family.
As Dathai pointed out there are some prison records for James Deering of Brown Street.
This James had a brother called William.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4eb9b90133939
This chap also appears on the prison records.
Another brother Martin
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/61eedc0134787
a Jane Deering is mentioned as Godmother on one of the records so this is a possible marriage for her.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/3647210098227
I suggest that you go to nli.ie and see are you lucky getting the baptisms for all of James' children ~ look at the Godparent's then and see were there any family members mentioned.
Hopefully some siblings will appear to either prove / disprove the Brown Street theory.
Tara
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OH
I forgot to say that I didn't find the marriage in Ireland OR England !
Do you know what parish Julia, their first child was baptised in ?
If so then it might be worth looking to see if there is a marriage in the same church, that for some reason they just didn't get a civil register.
It happens a lot !
Tara
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An Ellen Deering born to the Brown Street family !
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPJ7-Y9R
Tara
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OK I THING I may have found conclusive evidence that the Brown Street family are yours.
You stated that your Grandad was born at Chamber Street.
So, in 1901 William Deering (born Brown Street) was in prison ~
BUT I have found his wife and first child living at CHAMBER STREET !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Merchants_Quay/Chamber_Street/1298137/
What do you think ?
Tara
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This is William then on the 1911 Census ~ don't worry about his age, it's him for sure !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Merchant_s_Quay/Poole_St_/66014/
Tara
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William Deering married a Bridget O'Neill.
First name(s) William
Last name Deering
Registration year 1899
Registered Quarter/Year Oct - Dec 1899
Registration district Dublin South
Volume 2
Page 665
Tara
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Some children of William's
Son Daniel
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/b61c290077058
Son James
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/e378e80384698
Son Christopher
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/ab72fb0607988
another James
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/66ec8b0856066
Daughter Bridget
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/74a1251060845
Son William
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/2a9fa61409449
Tara
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Given the Christian names Nicholas and Julia feature strongly in the births of James Deering and Julia Kavangh's children then I think this is a strong possibility for the parent's of Julia Kavanagh !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a758d70336034
Tara
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IF I'm correct then Julia had a sister called Catherine
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e58e920132755
Tara
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The family were at James Terrace in 1908 as there are some Workhouse Hospital records for the family there !
Tara
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Jane Deering b 1859 Brown Street was taken into the Workhouse Hospital aged 2 months.
Tara
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Well, I'm amazed and thrilled at the responses to this thread after such a long time - many, many thanks to Tara and to Dathai for all your work; you've both provided some valuable information which has helped me chip away at this particularly stubborn brick wall, and I very much appreciate it. Of course thanks also to Fiona for resurrecting this thread - I'm delighted to have found a new cousin ;D
Tara, you're right - they are the family from Brown Street. Since I first posted this I've been in touch with a couple of 3rd (I think!) cousins in Ireland, and have confirmed that James (my great grandfather) is indeed the son of William Deering and Anne Gore, who apparently came from Baltinglass, although I haven't found any record of them there yet.
I'm still looking for the elusive marriage of James and Julia (Dathai, I think it is 'my' James in Manchester, but no luck with the English marriage records), but with new information coming to light all the time, I'm hoping that I'll find it sooner or later!
Fiona - I've sent you a pm!
Thanks again everyone :)
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Glad to have been able to help.
Let us know if you need more direction !
Tara
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Is this of any help?
William Deering came up from Wicklow before 1857 and lived in and around Brown Street all his life. His younger brother, Martin, wife Anne Condron and four Children, John, James and twins, Mary and Ellen, followed William to Brown Street, between 1864 and 1866. These were the only two Deerings who lived in Brown Street and they were the only Deerings related to us in and around that area. William’s wife Anne Gore died in Marks Alley in 1874. William married Sara Carter in 1879 and the family moved to 10 Wards Hill, Clanbrassil Street.
JAMES DEERING married JANE MURRAY
HUMEWOOD KILTEGAN BARRADERRY
PARISH OF RATHVILLY WICKLOW
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C H I L D R E N
JAMES DEERING born MARCH 1820 HUMEWOOD
WILLIAM DEERING FEB 1822 HUMEWOOD WICKLOW
JANE DEERING JULY 1826 KILTEGAN
MARTIN DEERING MAY 1832 BARRADERRY WICKLOW
ELLEN DEERING DEC 1834 KILTEGAN WICKLOW.
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WILLIAM DEERING married ANNE GORE Dublin 1852
C H I L D R E N
Jane Deering James Deering Sept 1857
William Deering March 1867 Ellen Deering Dec 1869
Martin Deering Dec 1871
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James Deering (1857-1933) married Julia Kavanagh
C H I L D R E N
Julia July 1886 James July 1892 Nicholas Jan 1895
Christopher Dec 1896 William Aug 1899 Anne Jan 1902
John Sept 1904
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James Deering (1892-1974) married Margaret Chandler
C H I L D R E N
Names removed by Moderator
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Christopher Deering was my Grandfather.
James my Great Grandfather.
James my Great Great
William my Great Great Great
I have various photos and records going back as far as early 1900's I can share if anyone wants to get in touch.
Thanks,
Adam Deering
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Hi Adam
I would be absolutely delighted to view any photos you have.
Please let me know how you would like to share them. I could give you my email address perhaps.
Thank you again
Damien
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Sure, can you PM your email?
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how do I post a PM Private Message to you. D'oh
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Click on ADeering's name above and all will be revealed
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Nicholas is related to the Deerings, Humeswood, Kiltegan. James Deering and Jane Murray reared their family there around 1830. It's Nicholas Deering, James Deering, William Deering and James & Jane.
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Hi Debs63, I presume you have searched and got a list of Nichollas's four Medals. Is it possible to apply and get copies of these Medals if they are lost?
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Hi All, Sorry I only seen the information put on this thread over the last year now. Ok I might be able to shed some light on a few people mentioned here, My great grandfather was William Deering ( I don`t have his DOB to hand but its est B1872- D1927). William joined the British army in 1890 I have his Attestation form to hand here.He states his brother was James Deering mentions he is also serving in the BA could be Dublin Fusilers ?, William also states his father is also called William Deering of 15 Coombe Dublin.My Great granmother Williams wife was Bridget O`Neill. She is the Bridget Deering here in Chamber St in the 1901 census. William was fighting in the Boer War in 1901, he later rejoined the British army in 1915 & fought in France.
My Granfather was his son William Deering (1900-1968), mentioned on this thread also is a Christopher Deering (27/12/07-24/10/42) that married a Mary Jane Cush, Christopher was Williams brother , he died in the battle of El Alamein. The family has always said we are from Baltinglass Co Wicklow. Also of note William Deering 1900-1968 also served in the National Army during the Civil war was a sergeant in the Dublin Guard I have his records but he is missing from the army census !
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Yes Gary, William was born in 1822 and died 1891 of a heart attack, Georges Quay...Age 69? He married Anne Gore in 1852. William was a Widower in 1879..10 Wards Hill..when he married Sara Carter. It's annoying the bad press these soldiers got even though they put their lives on the line by fighting the enemy before he landed here. I'll have to dig out some old certificates when I get back. Anyway, a relation of yours Jimmy Deering single handedly set up Crumlin United for the young Brian Kerrs, Robbie Keanes and many more great young soccer players. I'm sure you saw it all on the internet and maybe the faces of some distant relations in the Hub. His brother Issac was an Oramental Plasterer working in the main churches here. When he moved to Chicago he done voluntary work in a few Churches in Chicago. The Bishop mentioned all this and more at his funeral. I'm moving around for a week and may not be near a computer.
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Just want to say I should have looked up my family tree earlier in life, my dad is Isaac Deering born 1925 in Dublin, my Uncle Jimmy was a founding member of the Crumlin United football club. Unfortunately both have passed away.
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Hi Tdeer, I see Paullywolly and Adeering seem to have researched your side of the family fully.
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Indeed they have MancDeer
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It's been quite a while since I've looked at this thread, but I'm delighted to see the additional information that has been added - many, many thanks to everyone :)
Adam, I've sent you a PM - would love to see some photos if possible. I have very few, but I'm happy to send the ones I've got if you'd like them (same goes for any other posters - just drop me a message).
DeeringWicklow - yes I have a list of his medals, but the medals themselves were, I believe, sold by my grandad sometime in the 1970s. I'm not sure if it would be possible to get copies, but it might be worth investigating
Thanks again everyone :)
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Mark, I'm hoping you'll see this - I've tried replying to your emails (thank you ;D) but unable to reach you. I've sent a PM through this site. Hope all is well!
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Hi,
We are also descendants of Bridget Deering who married John Lyons both originally from Baltinglass. They were married in Blackrock. Their marriage cert states that her father was James Deery. However, her census record for 1901 states that she was born in Donegal. Her father was a coachman and they lived at 20 Lr. Georges Street, Dun Laoire. From there, they moved to York Street in the Liberties. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Its kind of confusing to me.
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I dont think theres a York St in the Liberties though there is one in the Kingstown area
There is a Bishop St in the Liberties
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mansion_House/Bishop_Street/1342077/
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Yes these are my third great grandparents... Bridget is the Bridget Deering, or Deery from Blackrock who married John Lyons 12 February 1865. Her father was James Deery and his father was William Lyons.
In 1901, my second great grandparents lived in Cuffe Street. I thought that was all the Liberties..
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mansion_House/Cuffe_Street/1342712/
By 1911, they had moved to the Liberties and Bridget and John had died.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mansion_House/York_Street__Part_of_/78281/
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Oops, that attachment...came out much bigger than expected..
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I guess my question to you or anyone reading this, is if any of you know of this Bridget Deering/Deery? How was she married in Blackrock, state that she was born in Donegal, and live in the Liberties? Also, given that the Lyons were house painters since the early 1800's and I see there is a James Deery who was a house painter, could they be related since apprenticeships were passed through families?
Its all a mystery, and I get so frustrated when I hit a road block.. so I'd appreciate any help!
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Hey, I know this is a long shot - and that a bunch of members of my immediate family will end up reading this - but if anyone here could help me with a search of graves, it would mean the world to me and likely a few other people.
William Deering (1899-1937) - the one who served as a private in the 2nd Southern Command in the Civil War and was married to Annie Josephine Leahy - was my great-grandfather, and, as you can tell from the numbers earlier, died pretty young. No one in our family, including his actual children, know where he is buried, to the best of my knowledge. He died in Dublin and is presumably buried in the surrounding area, but no one actually knows where and I would really appreciate some help locating this grave. If anyone somehow knows offhand or even just could point me towards the resources I should search to find the location of this grave, it would mean a lot to a 90 year old woman and her descendants.
EDIT: Thanks to Sinann for getting me an accurate date of death.
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Hi There, I think your William Deering was a first cousin of my granfather William Deering 1900 to 1968. I have come across the other William Deering 1899-1938 over the years while doing research into the family IRA & Civil War connections, to answer your question Glavnevin Cemetery or Mount Jerome Cemetery. I have personally called to the offices of both & they looked up graves for me.Glasnevin even gave me a map & marked the location of 3 unmarked graves of which one was another William Deering 1872-1927. If you can`t get to them, try ringing them. Best of luck
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Hi There, I think your William Deering was a first cousin of my granfather William Deering 1900 to 1968. I have come across the other William Deering 1899-1938 over the years while doing research into the family IRA & Civil War connections, to answer your question Glavnevin Cemetery or Mount Jerome Cemetery. I have personally called to the offices of both & they looked up graves for me.Glasnevin even gave me a map & marked the location of 3 unmarked graves of which one was another William Deering 1872-1927. If you can`t get to them, try ringing them. Best of luck
It's entirely possible that my William Deering's the first cousin of yours. This family tree's surprisingly confusing thanks to every other person being a William or James. I appreciate your help so much, hope it works out. If it does I'll be sure to report back and thank you again.
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Are your sure of the year he died, I can see a death for a William Deering died 16 Feb 1937 aged 37, wife A. Deering 9F James St.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1937/04791/4288067.pdf
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Are your sure of the year he died, I can see a death for a William Deering died 16 Feb 1937 aged 37, wife A. Deering 9F James St.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1937/04791/4288067.pdf
Definitely not sure on the specific year of the death, I just decided to go with what appears in family records, since I've seen multiple conflicting dates.
You've almost certainly got it right, though - until just now I was getting a server error every time I tried to access the Civil Records part of that site, but looking at it, it's pretty clear that's him. Thank you, that'll help me when calling cemeteries later today, and I'll edit the original post.
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Annie ? 1957 at Baggott St son Isaac informant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04401/4145932.pdf
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A relative ? appears to have moved from Crumlin 1980s
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/isaac-deering-obituary?pid=1000000155539178&view=guestbook&page=2
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Annie ? 1957 at Baggott St son Isaac informant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04401/4145932.pdf
Yep, that's my great-grandmother.A relative ? appears to have moved from Crumlin 1980s
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/isaac-deering-obituary?pid=1000000155539178&view=guestbook&page=2
Yep, that's my great-uncle Isaac, the same Isaac that's TDeering from earlier in the thread's father and was the informant on the above death certificate.
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I have done a few family trees for friends from James St most are buried Mt Jerome
http://www.mountjerome.ie/?content=genealogy-enquiries
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I have done a few family trees for friends from James St most are buried Mt Jerome
http://www.mountjerome.ie/?content=genealogy-enquiries
Thank you, I appreciate that. I'm emailing them now and will give them a call when they open in a few hours.
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So this is Anne in
Mount Jerome No.1769. Yes?
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/1headstones/deansgrange-st-marys12.txt
I wonder if William was buried there too but his name was never put on the headstone.
Sorry that's Deansgrange
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/deansgrange-st-marys12/target118.html
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So this is Anne in Mount Jerome No.1769. Yes?
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/1headstones/deansgrange-st-marys12.txt
I wonder if William was buried there too but his name was never put on the headstone.
Sorry that's Deansgrange
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/deansgrange-st-marys12/target118.html
This is definitely my great-grandmother, if only because I know the other people on that headstone. Considering she's the first person on the headstone and the number of years between their deaths, though, I think it's unlikely that William is also buried there. It would be more than a bit uncharacteristic for any of the people involved in that burial to deliberately remove their father's name from a grave after twenty years, and that's what him being there would involve. I'll definitely have to add Deansgrange to the list of places to call, though.
If nothing else turns up any leads, I'll probably just have to assume that he's there and there just was no stone there before 57, but finding something definitive would really mean a lot to my grandmother, so I'm probably going to keep bothering the people at every local cemetery for a while until that's the only remaining option.
I really appreciate all the work everyone is doing here, by the way, if that was not obvious. It's all been extremely helpful.
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Sorry,
I didn't word that very well, I did mean his name was not put on when the headstone was put up for Anne, I have several cases of people known to be buried in a plot but no name on the head stone which was put up later when another family member died, but that was in an rural area where the same plot stays with one family for generations, city burials are often quite different, so of course he could be somewhere else.
It didn't help that I thought I was only searching Mount Jerome and didn't notice the result was for Deansgrange.
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Sorry,
I didn't word that very well, I did mean his name was not put on when the headstone was put up for Anne, I have several cases of people known to be buried in a plot but no name on the head stone which was put up later when another family member died, but that was in an rural area where the same plot stays with one family for generations, city burials are often quite different, so of course he could be somewhere else.
It didn't help that I thought I was only searching Mount Jerome and didn't notice the result was for Deansgrange.
Don't worry, I realize that the way I wrote that could come across confrontational, but I did not intend it that way. It's more than possible that happened - in all likelihood, wherever he is buried, it is extremely unlikely he has a proper headstone - but I just didn't think it was especially likely for the reasons given. I didn't take it as a sleight and no offense was taken.
EDIT: Yeah, looking into it, my grandmother went home to bury her mother in '57. She'd have known if it also held her father. Thanks for the solid research, though. That was a good lead and I appreciate the work that went into it.
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A photo of William Deering's grave with family members around it has been in the extended family for some time. There is also a photo of William as best man and another of Julia Kavanagh in Jame's Street. Information about William has been around for a long time.