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My G G Grandfather Joseph Cox was born at Cashel, County Tipperary, Ireland in 1804. The Cox's were Protestant and Joseph’s father William Cox was a Barrister. Tipperary was the storm centre of emigration to 19th century Australia. Standing on the Rock of Cashel you can look over the warm, grassy plain of the Golden Vale of Ireland and the parishes that sent hundreds of young men and women to Australia's shore.
Joseph’s first wife Ann had been married to a cousin of Joseph, Oliver Cox who had died. Prior to his death Oliver had asked Joseph to care for his wife and children should he not survive. Joseph did as Oliver had requested and married Ann on 28 May 1827 at the Church of Ireland, Parish of Stradbally in the Clanwilliam Barony, County Limerick.
Joseph Cox and his family departed Ireland from Cork Harbour by sea on 05 August 1836 to travel to Port Jackson, New South Wales. The ship they travelled on was the “Lady McNaughton”. Eight children accompanied Joseph and his first wife Ann. Joseph and Ann had three daughters Eliza, Isabella, Catherine and one son William,
Would love to contact anybody who can help me to find more information on Joseph's family before he left Ireland.
Thanks Dennis Cox in OZ
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I am descended from Eliza Cox and was very interested to have the information relating to Joseph and Oliver, the place names and dates of marriage. I understood they left Cork Harbour on 5/11 1836 arriving in May 1837. As you will know, Ann and the two youngest children died at sea on route, apparently there was an outbreak of measles and typhus on board and the ship was quarantined on arrival. I would be very interested in sharing any information you have of your ancestors after arrival here and which line you are descended from.
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Wow it's been over 2 years since I posted that Info and you are the first to answer. Eliza married Martin Ryan, and I don't know alot about their descendants [maybe you can help] but I will help with whatever I can. (*)
Cheers
Dennis Cox
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Hi Dennis,
Not sure if you are still around but I am also related to Joseph Cox (and to his second wife, Mary).
I live about 2 hours from their properties in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
I would love to have a chat with you for further info.
Cheers
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Yes I am still around. Which of Joseph and Mary's line do you descend from? I visited Wagga last year and had a great time visiting all the relatives in the cemetery including the graves for Joseph and Mary. Do you have any photos of the ancestors. I have one very old photo of the Withers clan but apart from that, very little.
Cheers, Donna. (I am descended from Eliza Cox and Martin Ryan through their son, Joseph Henry Ryan and have a fair bit of information on this line. The other contact in this thread is my cousin Dennis Cox and I also received considerable information about his line as well).
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Hi Donna,
I descend from Joseph's son, John Mathew and his son, Frederick Lawrence. It took me ages to work out all the children and the marriages! :D
Unfortunately Frederick Lawrence died relatively young and we have no family photos.
The Wagga cemetary is a bit of a buzz, isn't it?
Just look for the biggest graves and there are the Coxes.
I am pretty sure that there are still Cox relatives living on the original Mangoplah property of John Cox.
Cheers
Joanne
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I have a John Mathew with a son Frederick Livingstone Cox married to a Linda Montgomery - is that your line? I would be grateful to see your line so I can add it in. If you want to have a look at ours you can see it online at www.tribalpages.com. Under Site ID enter djwandl (go) then the password Darwin. You can track up and down the generations. The Coxes are on my mother's father's line - Ryans to Coxes. Under "Tree" "Family" dropdown menu. My grandfather Joseph would have been Frederick's first (half) cousin. His father, Martin, was a convict from Ireland who was transported at the age of sixteen or seventeen for trying to rob a pub. (He failed! >:() Martin married Eliza Cox from Joseph Cox's first marriage to Ann Conway. She died on the boat coming over as did their two youngest children who are buried at the Quarantine Station in Sydney. THe ship was the notorious "Lady McNaghten" which was riddled with typhus. Yet the survivors managed to found the huge Cox dynasty.
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Hi Donna,
Having a look at the tribalpages it looks to be the same line. but some of the details differ.
We have John Mathew (who appears to be the same YAY!) married to Mary Bridget Roohan and I have a list of 16 of their children. I am not sure if they are all theirs (poor woman) but I do know that Frederick Lawrence was their son, born in 1882 at Oberne, NSW.
Frederick had red hair, was a vet and married a very stern woman by the name of Mary Fahey. He died of an abdominal aneurysm in 1933, when my grand mother was only only about 7 or 8. They had 4 daughters. He died in Yass.
I assume the name Livingstone came from Joseph Cox's original property, Livingstone Gully but as far as I am aware none of the children were named that. We also have Joseph Cox born in 8th July, 1807, his parents as William Cox and Jane Stewart.
I am still researching and talking to locals, trying to piece together the information.
Cheers
Joanne
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Actually, I have a copy of Josephs death certificate here where it states his father as William and a farmer. (Wierd thing is that the informant of the death was his son, William).
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Hello, hello
I am also a descendent of Joseph Cox born 1805 at Cahel. I have the following information which is taken from page one of chapter one of a PhD dissertation on on the Cox family of Wagga Wagga.
"Joseph Cox was ... at least the fourth generation to occupy an estate near Cashel. The Cox family had apparently been traditionally allied with the professions - principaly law and medicine. Richard Frederick Cox relates the following amazing tale of Joseph's family having early acquired an expensive lease of town land in Cashel which brough a correspondingly large income through rental. the family regarded the lease as sound for 99 years, but on the death of Joseph's father, the lease was found to be valid only for 'three lives', his father being the third generation to hold the lease. The Cox family twice took their case to law, spending a great deal of money in the process and having finally lost, they were ruined.
Eventually, Joseph went to County Limerick where his paternal uncle, a surgeon, employed him as an assistant. Dring Joseph' term with his uncle - probably in about 1824 - he was called to the bedside of his uncle's dying son. Before dying, this cousin extracted a promise from Joseph that he would look after his wife and four children. Joseph did more than that: within two years, he married Ann Cox and became stepfather to his four second cousins.
Joseph and Ann produced four children of their own, and when the youngest of these, William, was nine months old, Joseph and Ann with their eight children boarded the Lady Macnaghten at Cork Harbour. They came as assisted immigrants."
Here my information runs out, but I think I know where to find more, though it will take some weeks.
Anneonymous
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Do you know where I can get a copy of the dissertation. I knew there was a PhD around called "The Coxes of Livingstone Gully" but I don't know which university it was submitted to. With regard to the "William Cox" on Joseph's death certificate, that would be his son, Willliam, born 1844 from his marriage with Mary Moloney, obviously not the William who died at sea.
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I have been told the probable location of at least one copy of the thesis. it's with a genealogy society which is in the process of relocating it's premises. I must have the permission of the owner of the document before I can access it when the move is over - shouldn't be a problem - however it will take time because of these considerations.
Anne
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Thanks for that. I have considerable information on the Cox family from their arrival, but I'm not sure how you are related or how much infomration you already have. Let me know.
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I'm just embarking on my search. Some years ago I read the thesis and I seem to remember that my forebear, son of the influential John, was also called John. I don't think that my ancestor of this generation was a particularly good farmer and I can find very little about him, though I'll know more when I get to see the thesis again. I think that my ancestor (John?) had thirteen children, one of whom, Frederick Cox, was my grandfather. He only had daughters so my twig of the family tree has lost the surname Cox.
Anne
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I have a number of Fredericks! Is your grandfather Frederick William, Frederick Livingstone, Frederick Keith or Frederick H? None of them seemed to have only daughters though.
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I really must do more research - perhaps there is a generation I'm missing. Anne
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Hi Donna,
WHAT RESEARCH HAVE YOU DONE INTO COX /RAYN TREE AND WHERE DO YOU LIVE.
I descend from Joseph's son, John Mathew and his son, Frederick Lawrence. It took me ages to work out all the children and the marriages! :D
Unfortunately Frederick Lawrence died relatively young and we have no family photos.
The Wagga cemetary is a bit of a buzz, isn't it?
Just look for the biggest graves and there are the Coxes.
I am pretty sure that there are still Cox relatives living on the original Mangoplah property of John Cox.
Cheers
Joanne
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IF LOOKING FOR COX HISTORY TRY CHARLES STURT UNI ,WAGGA WAGGA FAMILY HISTORY CENTRE AS I HAVE DEPOSTED FAMILY REES. PLUS OTHER ITEMS UNDER COX CAN BEE COPIED.I ALSO HAVE PHOTOS OF OLD JOSEPH COX HOUSE AT LIVINGSTONE GULLY.
SADLY COX PROPERTY WAS SOLD DUE TO NO MALE HEIR.
I AM DECENDANT OF MARTIN RYAN AND ELIZA COX. THIS TREE HAS BEEN DONE AND BEEN TO IRELAND TO VISITED HOUSE MARTINS PARENTS LIVED IN DUBLIN.
DIANE HUTSON BRISBANE QLD.
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Hi Donna,
WHAT RESEARCH HAVE YOU DONE INTO COX /RYAN TREE AND WHERE DO YOU LIVE.
I descend from Joseph's son, John Mathew and his son, Frederick Lawrence. It took me ages to work out all the children and the marriages! :D
Unfortunately Frederick Lawrence died relatively young and we have no family photos.
The Wagga cemetary is a bit of a buzz, isn't it?
Just look for the biggest graves and there are the Coxes.
I am pretty sure that there are still Cox relatives living on the original Mangoplah property of John Cox.
Cheers
Joanne
Hi Donna,
Having a look at the tribalpages it looks to be the same line. but some of the details differ.
We have John Mathew (who appears to be the same YAY!) married to Mary Bridget Roohan and I have a list of 16 of their children. I am not sure if they are all theirs (poor woman) but I do know that Frederick Lawrence was their son, born in 1882 at Oberne, NSW.
Frederick had red hair, was a vet and married a very stern woman by the name of Mary Fahey. He died of an abdominal aneurysm in 1933, when my grand mother was only only about 7 or 8. They had 4 daughters. He died in Yass.
I assume the name Livingstone came from Joseph Cox's original property, Livingstone Gully but as far as I am aware none of the children were named that. We also have Joseph Cox born in 8th July, 1807, his parents as William Cox and Jane Stewart.
I am still researching and talking to locals, trying to piece together the information.
Cheers
Joanne
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WHAT RESEARCH HAVE DONE AND THERE IS ALOT OF PEOPLE DOING COX TREES FROM WAGGA WAGGA. I AM FROM RYAN/COX TREE.
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JOANNA AND DONNA.
JOHN COX STILL OWNS MANGOPLAH LOOKING AT BUYING LIVINGSTONE GULLY BACK FROM NEW OWNERS.
DONE ALL TREES AND COX DATA AT UNI AND HISTORY CENTRE IN WAGGA.DFIANE HUTSON BRISBANE.
I descend from Joseph's son, John Mathew and his son, Frederick Lawrence. It took me ages to work out all the children and the marriages! :D
Unfortunately Frederick Lawrence died relatively young and we have no family photos.
The Wagga cemetary is a bit of a buzz, isn't it?
Just look for the biggest graves and there are the Coxes.
I am pretty sure that there are still Cox relatives living on the original Mangoplah property of John Cox.
Cheers
Joanne
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Hi Diane,
I tried to reach you a few years ago when my Mum died but you had moved. Would be very interested in hearing about the house where Martin's parents were in Dublin and any photos you might have. I have also found some interesting information on the Chelsea pensioners index and think I have located info about Philip Henry and two or three or the sons.
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Hi djlandw
Can you email me on >(*)
Live in Brisbane now. Trying work out who you are .
Send my address and phone number when here from you.
Cheers Diane Hutson.
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Hi Diane,
I am only just touching the tip of the iceberg on the Cox side of my family.
It is my maternal grandmothers side. I live close to Wagga (about 2 hours away) and have recently found out that John Cox (Joseph's step son and second cousin) owned quite a large amount of property near where I live (maybe also incuding our own farm!).
I would love to hear more from you.
Cheers
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Hi.
I have found alot of cox data at wagga wagga university archives.
my last visit found new items orig richard cox marriage found in box in barn on livingston gully property. and phtos. i go every 5 years see whats new in archives.have few books done by differnet people also wagga waga family history has copy of my book and pioneer register which i have cox and ryan items in it .sent person copy of my book and never got paid so not send till get monies as need to have photo copied and binded.on facebook as my name. dianehutson60 * .some people have been to ireland castle connell and coolready where they came from.give you my number when email me as cant send via this.diane hutson.what tree are you from.
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Hello My name is Luke,
My Grandfathers Name was Keith Cox and his brother (My great uncle) is the current owner of Livingstone Gully in Wagga Wagga. Many of you have spoken about the book "The Coxes of Livingstone Gully". My Aunt has a copy of the book. I think the family were only given 5 or so copies of the thesis. If I can help you with anything let me know.
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Hi Luke.
Nice to hear from you.
Thought livingstone gully was sold and not in cox hands.
Mangoplah not visited but he was trying buy back land on livingstone gully
I have copy of book written by a.R wilkinson in 1985.
I also have deposted a book i done in wagga wagga family history and charles sturt university archives.
Your aunt not patricia cox as visited her in her flat years agao and 15yrs ago went to livingstone gully when lived there.
I am from eliza cox and martin ryan tree.
Withers from wagga wagga are from ryan tree too.
My ryans lived and died newcastle.
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Happy researching
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Patricia's husband's (Ian), brother lives on Livingstone Gully. There is some truth in what you say. Livingstone gully was once a property of some 12,000 aches, it is now down to around 2000. My uncle has purchased back tracts of land that were once Livingstone Gully.
You will be happy to know that Patricia is still alive and living in Wagga, I saw her just over a year ago. She is now well into her 80's.
In the same trip I went to Livingstone Gully during the same trip.
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What town do you live in now .
And what is ya dads name and mothers names?.
Do you have property and your parents.
Thank you. Diane . Brisbane.
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I live in Sydney.
My surname is Denison however my mother's maiden name was Cox.
My Grandfather's name was Keith Cox and he is the brother of the current occupants of LSG.
Keith die in 1961 so I have only known LSG through holidays there. I did go up there during
shearing season once and work as a roustabout.
So no the property is not mine it's my great-uncles.
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I believe my gggrandfather Laurence Moloney was a brother of Mary Moloney Cox the second wife of Joseph Cox. On one list of passengers on the Lady McNaghten I found a Mary Moloney. Are they the same? Also, does anyone know the Irish ancestry of Mary Moloney? I am not having any luck with my gggrandfather. Thanks.
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Hi.
Can tell me where you live and laurence maloney came later via victoria not checked that line in ages.
have all my files packed as moving.try ancestry may find details or someone researching that tree.
On facebook if want contact me as cant put emails on rootschat.Diane Hutson.QLD.
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Hi Diane
Thank you for the prompt reply.
My name is Brian Williams. I live in Sydney and am newly returned to this family research. I found a Laurence, Sarah and Margaret Maloney arriving on the Abyssinian in September 1859. This fits in with the details on Laurence's death certificate and I have just noticed on the original image on Ancestry of the Abyssinian's passenger list, the "relatives in the colony" column, which lists Mary at Livingstone Gully. Can't believe I missed that before.
On this original image on Ancestry I cannot make out the name of the town in Limerick where he came from. When the record is saved, the origin comes up as Killeaby, Limerick but I think that relates to the next name on the list. I may have to have a look at the reel.
On this record the father is listed as David and the mother as Margaret. The family trees for Mary Moloney on Ancestry have Margaret McGrath as the mother and the father David dyIng in 1855. The death certificate of Laurence has Margaret Noonan as the mother.
That is where I am at present. I was hoping that given the interest in Joseph Cox, there might be some details on Mary that I could pursue.
I will pursue your suggestion re Ancestry family trees. I don't have access to Facebook but I will see if I can do something through one of my sons to open an email link.
Thanks again.
Brian
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Hi All, my name is Geoff and I am descended from Frederick Lawrence Cox (maternal grandfather) born at Oberne, and his father John Matthew Cox, Grazier. Not sure about upstream from that but have just ordered Birth Certs for Fred L and his wife Mary Fahey. I understand my ancestors came out on "The Fever Ship, Lady McNaughton" as per the book. Frederick did indeed have 4 daughters, one of whom was my mother. The youngest of whom would be Stude51's mother, my God Mother who died very young. Regards, Geoff
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Hi Thanks for enquiry.
If can go to charles stuart university library you will find heaps on COX lines.
Have copied alot myself when went there.
John Withers has done alot too.
Have donated a book to the uni
I live in Qld.If google my name find my email as cant list it on rootschat.
I am on facebook .cheers diane hutson.
hear from you.
have alot of marriage copies and few year ago new owner of livingstone gully property found box of cox items on was orig richard cox marriage which uni has.
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Cheers Diane. This is a bit advanced for me as I only found out my GGF's name (John Matthew) today when I got Frederick Lawrence's Marriage Cert. I don't know relationship of my ancestor's to yours exactly but could be GGGF Joseph? Will Facebook you. Geoff
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YES .LOOK OUT FOR YOU.
ELIZA COX DAUG OF JOSEPH COX IS MY LINE ELIZA WED MARTIN RYAN CONVICT.
CHEERS.
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Sweet, so my GGF's sister it seems. I just flicked a note to DJL&W suggesting their Frederick Livingstone is in fact Frederick Lawrence, the dates seem to match. I could be wrong, it's all a bit new. Geoff
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HAVE YA FOUND ME ON FACEBOOK YET.IN QLD
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I hope it's you at Chermside, ex T'ville with the flowers. I sent two messages to that address earlier. Geoff
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yes thats me but not got email on my yahoo ??.
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did put 60 in it???
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My G G Grandfather Joseph Cox was born at Cashel, County Tipperary, Ireland in 1804. The Cox's were Protestant and Joseph’s father William Cox was a Barrister. Tipperary was the storm centre of emigration to 19th century Australia. Standing on the Rock of Cashel you can look over the warm, grassy plain of the Golden Vale of Ireland and the parishes that sent hundreds of young men and women to Australia's shore.
Joseph’s first wife Ann had been married to a cousin of Joseph, Oliver Cox who had died. Prior to his death Oliver had asked Joseph to care for his wife and children should he not survive. Joseph did as Oliver had requested and married Ann on 28 May 1827 at the Church of Ireland, Parish of Stradbally in the Clanwilliam Barony, County Limerick.
Joseph Cox and his family departed Ireland from Cork Harbour by sea on 05 August 1836 to travel to Port Jackson, New South Wales. The ship they travelled on was the “Lady McNaughton”. Eight children accompanied Joseph and his first wife Ann. Joseph and Ann had three daughters Eliza, Isabella, Catherine and one son William,
Would love to contact anybody who can help me to find more information on Joseph's family before he left Ireland.
Thanks Dennis Cox in OZ
My great grandfather Christopher Cox and his wife Mary Ann lived in Drum, Templemore, Co. Tipperary. He was a farmer with 10 children. I believe one emigrated to Canada, his name was Ralph. 2 children went to Armagh. Grace, Parnell Cox was a school teacher and her brother Richard Cox was a scolar. My grandfather William Cox went to Athy , Co. Kildare to work when he was 17.
Gregor cox
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Hi
I am researching the Cox name in England and am trying to trace where my father went in Australia between 1926 to 1932. He went by boat at the age of 15!! I believe that he would have linked up with relatives and I am aware that he worked on a farm in Wagga Wagga for some or all this time.
He came from the east End of London - his name (Horace) Gordon Cox with a birth date 30 June 1910. Any information anyone can supply would be appreciated.
Andy Cox
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Hi,
My late wife is a descendant of Joseph Cox => John Mathew Cox. I have created an extended Cox family tree on Ancestry which all are welcome to access. It's not complete and I'm sure there are errors, so please let me know by return.
There is an interesting book "Quarantined" (ISBN 9780980335408) about the families on the fateful journey of the Lady Macnaghten from Cork Harbour, arriving in Sydney on 26 Feb 1837.
Simon Haynes
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Hi,
This may be a long shot .... but I'm hoping that some of you may be able to help me out. I've just started looking into my family history after my grandmother passed away (she had a falling out with her family 65ish years ago). From what I can work out my 3rd Great Grandmother was Eliza Cox ..... It would be every much appreciated if anyone could fill in the blanks between Dorothy Murphy (nee Ryan) and Eliza and then also back through Eliza's family as much as possible.
I have found it interesting reading all of your comments.
Thanks,
Bec
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Joseph and Ann COX arrived in Sydney Cove on the ship "Lady MacNaughten", the fever ship. Off the New South Wales coast heading north to Sydney it was flying the Yellow Flag signifying typhus on board. And and the youngest child William were buried at sea and the youngest surviving daughter Catherine made it to the Quarantine station but dies there and is buried in Cemetery #3 on that site.
After the rest of the family were cleared to come to the settlement of Sydney and were placed into the care of the then NSW Governor and were quartered in the stables of Government House in Bridge Street which is now the Museum of Sydney. From there they parted within the boundaries of the colony as it then stood and ended up at Gobarralong. I am from the line of John COX and Mary ROOHAN.
I am trying to find out when my Grandfather Joseph William COX who married Florence Jane MILNE. I am told he was born around 1865 but cannot find a birth certificate. I have his marriage certificate and death certificate.
Any help would be appreciated,
Thanks, Brian
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My grandmother's maternal great grandfather was Joseph Cox, he was born in 1804 at Cashel, Co Tipperary, Ireland. In 1826, Joseph was asked by his dying cousin Oliver Cox, to take care of his wife Anne and their 4 children, so after his cousin's death, he married Anne Conway on 28th May 1826 in Stradbally, Ireland. Anne had married Oliver when she was 19 and they had 3 girls and 1 boy born between 1821 and 1825 (Margaret, John, Bridget and Anne). Joseph and Anne then had 4 more children together, 3 girls and 1 boy born between 1827 and 1836 (Elizabeth, Isabella, Catherine and William). On the 5th of November 1836 Joseph, Anne and their 8 children sailed on the Lady McNaughten from Cork to Sydney as migrants. The ship contained 412 emigrants. This was during the time of the potato famine when lots of families settled in Australia. On the voyage, an epidemic of typhoid fever and measles broke out. The ship was inadequately supplied with medical requisites. To add to the seriousness of the situation, the doctor died, and then suitable food for the children and sick people ran short. Joseph Cox was stricken down with fever, and during his illness his wife Anne died as well as the baby William. They had been married for 10 years. Before the ship reached Sydney, 72 people had died. Once in quarantine in North Head in Manly, Sydney, Catherine aged 3 also died. All the passengers clothing and bedding was burnt, and they were quarantined in tents, while those still suffering remained on board.
Also travelling on this ship unaccompanied by their parents were two sisters called Mary and Margaret Maloney. These girls were friends of the Cox family before starting, and they assisted in helping Joseph with the surviving children. The following year, Joseph married Mary Maloney in Sydney in August 1837. They had 11 children together between 1838 and 1857, 7 boys and 4 girls (Martha, Margaret, Samuel, David, John, Joseph, Richard, Laurence, William, Bridget and Mary). Mum's grandmother was their last child Mary Martha, born in 1857. She married Jeremiah Doolan and their daughter Agnes 'Claribel' Doolan was grandmother's mother.
Joseph was a farmer who grew wheat at Gobaralong in 1838 which is considered to be the first crop of wheat grown in the Murrumbidgee district. He moved with his family to Brungle Creek in the Tumut Valley in 1839 and then to the Wagga district in 1846. Joseph Cox went on to be very successful and was one of the founders of the Mt Erin Convent where my grandmother Isla Downing went to school, and he raised money to bring the nuns out from Ireland. They personally donated hundreds of pounds to build the school. Joseph died on 23rd June 1871 at about age 67 in Wagga Wagga, and Mary died 10 years later in 1881 aged 68.