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I have been unable to find a 1901 Census for my 2 x great grandfather Joseph William Fackrell.
However, I have just obtained his 22 May 1902 death certificate which shows his address as 2 Trafalgar Villas, Waite Street, Camberwell, London and his occupation as Hot Water Engineers Fitter.
He married an Annie Marnham (née Shillingford) in 1892. His first wife had died in 1890.
I have now found a record (see attached) for 2 Trafalgar Villas for Joseph and Annie Marnham where his occupation could well be Hot Water Engineers Fitter although it's overwritten with what looks like "House Fit". Their ages reconcile to my records.
Has anyone got any ideas as to why he might use his wife's maiden name of Marnham rather than his birth name of Fackrell please?
Thanks,
Bryan
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If there is anything on her side to inherit. Also if there is anything in his past. That's providing this is the correct record you have found. I suspect a relative of mine may have done the same.
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When my daughter married, her husband took our surname because he didn't like his own surname.
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One of my husband's ancestors did that too. On the 1881 census, the husband, wife and 4 children were all shown with the wife's maiden name as their surname. The following census, it was back to normal. It took me ages to find them.
Lizzie
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Thank you all. They all sound quite plausible.
I'll leave this on the board for another 24 hours to see if any other suggestions are forthcoming.
And apologies Moderator....I'll crop such records in future.
Thanks,
Bryan
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it was and still is i think quite common for travelling familles to use the name of the woman rather than the man although this family doesnt seem to have travelling connections if they are residing in a home and he is working as an engineer.
i would think that she had money to inherit rather than the travelling thing but i thought i would throw it in there as a possibilty.
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Maybe I'm not reading this correctly but it seems from your first post
"He married an Annie Marnham (née Shillingford) in 1892. His first wife had died in 1890"
that he actually took her first husband's name rather than her maiden name Shillingford.
Most odd!
Heather
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Heather,
Sorry about the confusion. Am I using the word "maiden" incorrectly?
Joseph William Fackrell married Margaret Eleanor Surrey in 1864.
Margaret died in 1890.
In the meantime Annie Shillingford married Edward Marnham in 1863.
Edward died in 1891.
Subsequently, in 1892, widower Joseph William Fackrell married widow Annie Marnham.
Bryan
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Hi Bryan
For clarity
Annie's maiden name (=née) was Shillingford
Her (first) married name was Marnham
So, as Heather says, Joseph took her first husband's name when he married her.
Either they both liked the name or there was money involved :) :)
Linda
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Thanks for the clarification Heather and Linda.
I was using "maiden" incorrectly".
Cheers,
Bryan
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just to throw out another suggestion, he may have been hiding from some trouble. I couldn't find one great uncle on the 1901 census. Using the details of his children from the 1911, I did find him - he was enumerated with his stepfather's name. There won't have been an inheritance involved, sawyers with 19 children not having much in the way of savings. I don't know what was going on, but as they moved from Glamorgan to Yorkshire and back again, he may have been trying to avoid something.
::)
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A possible explanation is that the enumerator asked the wife and she gave her name before marriage. and this got filled in for her husband and children.
My great grandfather appears on the 1901 census under his wife's maiden name along with their children, yet all the children were registered at birth with his name and indeed they are using his name on the 1911 census.
Mark
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Mark,
Thanks for this - it's another possibility.
Neither Joseph nor Annie survived until the 1911 census. Both were 49 years old when they married (for the second time) and there were no further children.
Annie did however die as "Fackrell" and not "Marnham".
Bryan
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It is not uncommon for men to take their wives surnames when marrying especially if the wife is an only child and that name could die out once she marries.
Also there is the old age problem of "odd" names. I worked for many years with a James James (name changed) and one day I did ask him what his parents were thinking of calling him James when it was their surname and he told me that he actually took his wife's surname as she did not want to take his name which was more like a double entendre.
I also worked with a real eejit who changed his name to a double barrel name so he could inherit his aunts money, and when she died he did not get a penny he he!