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Great grandfather was in RIC - Head Constable Clones 1859 and Sligo 1894. Would like to see records to establish further details. What do I need to go to Kew to view Microfilm? Any help appreciated
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Have you tried contacting the guarda museum? There's an email address on their website for RIC genealogical queries.
http://www.esatclear.ie/~garda/museum.html
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Just a note. Following a visit to the Police Museum at the PSNI Headquarters in Belfast the curator explained that RIC ranks did not correspond with what we have now. I.E. a chief or head constable was not a high ranking officer but literally what the name says and just below a sergeant.
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Thank you for the two last posts. All info. is helpful:)
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you need his RIC number.
Kew should have the indexes, as National Archive Dublin has.
You may find 3 or 4 "Joe Soap" in the list, and you need to look at their details to see which one served in Clones and Sligo at the correct time.
eadaoin
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Thk you for advice so will arrange a visit to Kew.
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I'd check with the museum first before searching for his RIC number. Name, date of birth, residence and parents names may well be sufficient, they were at least for me. No harm in trying anyway!!
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Thank u Kate. I have just emailed J Herlihy via the museum to see what info. he might have.
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If you give me his name balmae I'll have a look for you.
Regards
John
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Speedwobble
His name is John Irvine married to Anne Jane Reid. First child born 1865 in Carlingford, Co Louth.
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Searching for service history of John Irvine - Head Constable RIC on daughters birth certificates in 1867(Carlingford) and 1869 (Clones) and daughter's marriage certificate in 1894 (Sligo). Looked at EVERY Irvine listed in Herlihy at TNA Kew but could not find him. Any ideas where to go from here please?
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Searching for service history of John Irvine - Head Constable RIC on daughters birth certificates in 1867(Carlingford) and 1869 (Clones) and daughter's marriage certificate in 1894 (Sligo). Looked at EVERY Irvine listed in Herlihy at TNA Kew but could not find him. Any ideas where to go from here please?
Were you able to confidently rule out each of the John Irvines you did find ?
A couple of points about the 1894 marriage reference - the addresses given on the certs are those of the bride and groom, and may not be that of their families, also unless the father of the bride is a witness there's no guarantee he was alive at the time (certs dont always specifically state this).
Shane
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I think I can be sure as I have been to TNA twice! I even went thro all Irvines in case he was registered under another first name. Though the birth records are so clear that he was John Irvine I am contemplating a third visit to go thro 'Irwin' as a shot in the dark!
Thanks for the comment on the address as I assumed the bride was living at home at the time. The father was not a witness as, curiously, the wedding took place in Dublin.
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found a mention of John in Slater's directory of 1870 in Clones town :
5 constabulary stations listed including one in the town at
Diamond street with William B. Kelly sub-inspector
and John Irvine head constable
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Looked at EVERY Irvine listed in Herlihy at TNA Kew but could not find him.
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just wonder if it might be worthwhile using the original RIC indexes on the films, rather than just the details in Herlihy's book in case there are any differences..
Shane
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dont know what it means, or if it's just a slip of the pen - but John's occupation on his daughter's marriage cert looks like 'Head Constable R.T.C.'...
Marriage of George Johnston & Edith Olivia Irvine - 3 Jan 1894 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/6e966e0931909)
Dublin City, CofI Parish of St. Stephen
Shane
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dont know what it means, or if it's just a slip of the pen - but John's occupation on his daughter's marriage cert looks like 'Head Constable R.T.C.'...
I'd say it's bound to be Head Constable R.I.C.
eadaoin
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Thats wonderful news, Shane. Can I access Slaters via Ancestry or an Irish web site? Are the original RIC Indexes not what I was searching on microfilm at Kew?
It does indeed look like RTC on the cert but the birth details also say RIC so must be a slip of the pen
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I believe Slaters 1870 is available on Origins Network.
Thats wonderful news, Shane. Can I access Slaters via Ancestry or an Irish web site? Are the original RIC Indexes not what I was searching on microfilm at Kew?
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That's the ones I was thinking of... Herlihy's details are published in a separate book. I believe the microfilms were created by LDS and are of the original records.
Shane
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I shall follow up Slaters now, thank u.
I had to first use Herlihy to get the service/warrant number then use that to find the film reference to locate the service record. :)
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The details I mentioned above are all that Slater's includes on John. I got a chance to check an 1881 edition and he's not listed in Clones - but only sub-inspectors are listed in that edition, not head constables.
Slater's was published in 1846, 1856, 1870, 1881 and 1894 (1856 is quite rare)
Shane
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I had to first use Herlihy to get the service/warrant number then use that to find the film reference to locate the service record.
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I dont have RIC ancestors but I believe the records and films have their own index system, possibly on a separate film. So I think you should be able to use that without having to check Herliy's book.
Shane
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There's list of the films on the Dublin City Library website, I think these are the same set as TNA have.
Royal Irish Constabulary Records 1816 - 1922 (http://www.dublincity.ie/RecreationandCulture/libraries/Heritage%20and%20History/Family%20History/Pages/royal_irish_constabulary_records.aspx)
See the index mentioned on reel 852096, plus the various county returns..
Shane
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Jim Herlihy's book, "Royal Irish Constabulary Officers"
1816-1922
Does not feature any Irvine surname.
Jack
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Yes, I understand that the title of Head Constable had a different connotation in the early days of the RIC. Thanks for your help in looking it up for me, Jack.