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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: RayDen on Monday 21 March 11 13:49 GMT (UK)
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Am trying to find a family on the 1871 census. I believe that I have the family on the 1861, 1881 & 1891 census, however I can't locate the 1871 census and I think this is the information that I need to breakdown a current brick wall.
The family are called Madden with father Patrick and mother Mary:
In 1861 I have them living in Llanellyn Breconshire RG 9/4221
Patrick Madden Head 36 years Lab Born Ireland
Mary Madden Wife 30 years Born Ireland
Mary Madden Daug 6 years Born Monmouthshire Abersychan
James Madden Son 4 years born Monmouthshire Abersychan
Johanna Madden Daug 1 year born Monmouthshire Abersychan
In 1881 I have them living in Trevethin RG11/5250/93/42
Mary Madden Head Widow age 50 years born Ireland
Michael Madden Son age 13 Years born Monmouthshire Trevethin
Timothy Madden Son age 10 years born Monmouthshire Trevethin
There were also 3 Lodgers named Kelly
In 1891 I have them living in Trevethin RG12/4361/90/64
Mary Madden Head Widow age 50 born Ireland
Michael Madden Son age 24 Lab born Abersychan (Ireland???)
Thimothy Madden Son age 21 Lab born Abersychan (Ireland???)
As can be seen Mary's age remains at 50 in the 1881 & 1891 census I also believe I have her on her own in Trevethin in 1901 age 65 but that is for another day. However her son Timothy who I am trying to trace also constantly changed his age which has caused me no end of problems .
Have tried all possible name variations etc., so if anyone can offer any other options I would be very grateful.
Regards
Ray
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Patrick only died in the March qtr of 1881 so should be on the 1871 (if found) and so should Timothy
Births September qtr 1870
Timothy Madden Pontypool 11a 123
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Hi Carole
Yes I have that death in 1881 just before the 1881 census which was the starting point of my search of the census.
I also have a death for a likely Mary Madden in Pontypool in 1904 (age 65 years).
However before purchasing certificates I was hoping to find the 1871 census to link Patrick, Mary and Timothy.
Regards
Ray
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Have found the latest baptism for Timothy Madden for 6 May 1870 in St Albans RC church so it looks very like the family were still in the area. I also have the death for Patrick in 1881 - not got the certificate yet but he was RC buried in St Cadoc's under burial laws and he was the right age. On Mary's death certificate in 1904 it alsoconfirms that her husband was a Patrick. Not got the certificate yet but the register office confirmed that fact over the phone.
I have been through the whole of the Trevethin census looking for possible mis-transcriptions but have not found anything that looks a possibility.
Where now?
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Have you considered the possibilty that the family were in Ireland at that time?
The known problems with 1871 include missing parishes in Glamorgan and Breconshire, but not Monmouthshire.
See www dot findmypast dot co dot uk/helpadvice/knowledge-base/census/index.jsp#issues
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Would not rule out anything, but at this time the family would have had 3 or more children and would think it unlikely that a labourer would/could take the family back to Ireland for a holiday, and probably less that there would be move back to work.
Have had some access to baptism records and I believe that quite a number of the extended family may have been in the Pontypool, which would also point against a return to Ireland.
Have to keep searching.
However I have today been given a lead to Timothy's army record (he joined from Pontypool in 1895) which has cleared up a few issues.
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hi KGarrad
Sorry I missed the obvious clue in your post. In 1861 the family were in Llanelly, Breconshire, so it is quite likely that they may have been in Breconshire (or borders) in 1871. Do you know which of the Breconshire records are missing?
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FindMyPast only quote:
Talgarth
Grwyne-fawr
Grwyne-fechan
+ 11 parishes in Glamorganshire.
But, Timothy was born in Trevethin in September qtr 1870, so presumably they were already in Trevethin by then?