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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: kymboglen on Sunday 20 March 11 23:08 GMT (UK)
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GLEN FAMILY ROTHESAY BUTE; AYRSHIRE:
Looking for connections for Glen family from Rothesay, Ayrshire.
James Glen(1799) married-
Elizabeth Bannatyne/Williams/ Williamson? Born 1796-1803?
Children names- William 1831, James 1833, and Archibald 1835.
Also any information on
Archibald Glen 1835 married Janet Smith (Rothesay).One daughter Margaret Bruce Glen 1858.
Other children's names-Elizabeth Williamson Glen 1860, James Glen 1861 and possibly Archibald Glen 1864 (Kilfinan). Archibald Glen 1835 may have re-married an Augsta/Augusta Glen (1825-31?) born in Kilfinan.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I have no more leads.
Best regards
Kym Glen
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Where have you looked?
I see your first family at St Nimans Point in North Bute on Ancestry in 1851.
James sr was a fisherman born in Largs. His wife Elizabeth was born in Millport.
Archibald was born in Largs also and is also listed as a fisherman.
There's a tree on Ancestry with this family in too belonging to an Isobel Gilmour - any relation? If not, it might be worthwhile taking out a 14 day trial.
There were many other Glen families on Bute at the time too, undoubtedly some are related.
Regards
Ann
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1841 census
James Glen 45 Born Ayrshire Occupation: Fisherman
Elisabeth Glen 45 Born Scotland
Elisabeth Glen 14 born: Ayrshire
Johanna Glen 12 born: Ayrshire
William Glen 11 born: Ayrshire
James Glen 8 born: Ayrshire
Archibald Glen 5 born: Ayrshire
Address: Nelson Street Largs
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Rothesay, Ayrshire.
To help with future research, just wanted to point out that Rothesay is in Buteshire, not Ayrshire. ;D
Regards
Ann
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Hi,
SP has the following children with parents James Glen & Elizabeth Williamson. All born Largs, Ayr.
1826 Elizabeth
1829 Joahann
1831 William
1833 James
1835 Archibald
Sharon
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Where have you looked?
I see your first family at St Nimans Point in North Bute on Ancestry in 1851.
James sr was a fisherman born in Largs. His wife Elizabeth was born in Millport.
Archibald was born in Largs also and is also listed as a fisherman.
There's a tree on Ancestry with this family in too belonging to an Isobel Gilmour - any relation? If not, it might be worthwhile taking out a 14 day trial.
There were many other Glen families on Bute at the time too, undoubtedly some are related.
Regards
Ann
Good morning Ann
Thanks for taking the time to look for me and replying. I was interested in Ancestry.com and have started a tree until Kym Glen. I was due to use the trial until I saw on the internet that they billed people after they cancelled the trial. I have been using Scotlands People and have downloaded the Censors along with other documents.
But my problem is on the birth cert. from Archibald Glens daughter (Margaret Bruce Glen1858) it shows the grandmothers maiden name as Bannatyne (also born Millport). But earlier the family at St Nimans Point, she has Williams or Williamson on the birth cert. from the kids. Now I'm unsure if this is the correct family? I also have Elizabeth aged 70 in the 1871 census living with the son Archibald Glen, but he has a new wife it seems and is now living in Ayrshire and not Rothesay any more.
I have Archibald Glen born 1835 having three children, Elizabeth Williamson Glen 1860, James Glen 1861 Shown as Illegitimate and Archibald Glen 1864. I found Archibald in Familysearch.org with Janet Glen as the mother, but no records in Scotlands people. But there I found an Archibald Glen 1865 with Archibald Glen 1835 and Agusta/Augusta Glen as the birth mother. I don't know if this is the same Archibald Glen 1835 from Rothesay and if he remarried and moved to Ayrshire. I didn't think was the done thing at this time.
Elizabeth carries the Grandmother maiden name Williamson which make sense, but why has Elizabeth Williamson written Bannatyne on the granddaughter's born cert?
I would be gratefully with any help Ann or input, as I've spend hours on end looking and found no clear answer. We're going to Scotland in a few months for the first time and I was hoping to have it sorted a bit more by then.
Thanks and best regards
Kym Glen
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Hi,
SP has the following children with parents James Glen & Elizabeth Williamson. All born Largs, Ayr.
1826 Elizabeth
1829 Joahann
1831 William
1833 James
1835 Archibald
Sharon
Many thanks Sharon, as I had not found the two older sisters.
But my problem is on the birth cert. from Archibald Glens daughter (Margaret Bruce Glen1858) it shows the grandmothers maiden name as Bannatyne (also born Millport). But earlier the family at St Nimans Point, she has Williams or Williamson on the birth cert. from the kids. Now I'm unsure if this is the correct family? I also have Elizabeth aged 70 in the 1871 census living with the son Archibald Glen, but he has a new wife it seems and is now living in Ayrshire and not Rothesay any more.
Why would this have been written as Bannatyne if her maiden name was Williamson as this is what the fact point to. Its great that people are so willing to help as I thought it would take weeks to get a answer if at all.
Thanks heaps Sharon
Best wishes
Kym
Where have you looked?
I see your first family at St Nimans Point in North Bute on Ancestry in 1851.
James sr was a fisherman born in Largs. His wife Elizabeth was born in Millport.
Archibald was born in Largs also and is also listed as a fisherman.
There's a tree on Ancestry with this family in too belonging to an Isobel Gilmour - any relation? If not, it might be worthwhile taking out a 14 day trial.
There were many other Glen families on Bute at the time too, undoubtedly some are related.
Regards
Ann
Good morning Anna
Thanks for taking the time to look for me and replying. I was interested in Ancestry.com and have started a tree until Kym Glen. I was due to use the trial until I saw on the internet that they billed people after they cancelled the trial. I have been using Scotlands People and have downloaded the Censors along with other documents.
But my problem is on the birth cert. from Archibald Glens daughter (Margaret Bruce Glen1858) it shows the grandmothers maiden name as Bannatyne (also born Millport). But earlier the family at St Nimans Point, she has Williams or Williamson on the birth cert. from the kids. Now I'm unsure if this is the correct family? I also have Elizabeth aged 70 in the 1871 census living with the son Archibald Glen, but he has a new wife it seems and is now living in Ayrshire and not Rothesay any more.
I have Archibald Glen born 1835 having three children, Elizabeth Williamson Glen 1860, James Glen 1861 Shown as Illegitimate and Archibald Glen 1864. I found Archibald in Familysearch.org with Janet Glen as the mother, but no records in Scotlands people. But there I found an Archibald Glen 1865 with Archibald Glen 1835 and Agusta/Augusta Glen as the birth mother. I don't know if this is the same Archibald Glen 1835 from Rothesay and if he remarried and moved to Ayrshire. I didn't think was the done thing at this time.
Elizabeth carries the Grandmother maiden name Williamson which make sense, but why has Elizabeth Williamson written Bannatyne on the granddaughter's born cert?
I would be gratefully with any help Anna or input, as I've spend hours on end looking and found no clear answer. We're going to Scotland in a few months for the first time and I was hoping to have it sorted a bit more by then.
Thanks and best regards
Kym Glen
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There is a marriage for an Archibald Glen to Augusta Charlotte Mclean in 1868, Kilfinan on SP. My credits have just run out so you will have to check to see who his parent's were.
Sharon
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Kym, do you mean the grandmother registered the birth?
Her husband may have died and she remarried a man called Bannatyne
Also, Archibalds 1st wife may have died and he remarried Augusta McLean
His death certificate may confirm this
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Kym, do you mean the grandmother registered the birth?
Her husband may have died and she remarried a man called Bannatyne
Also, Archibalds 1st wife may have died and he remarried Augusta McLean
His death certificate may confirm this
No, sorry I got it wrong. It on the marriage cert from Archibald Glen to Janet Smith. It states the mothers maiden name a Bannatyne and show her present name a Glen. The husband is deceased. I've looked for the death cert. but without luck. I was thinking maybe he was lost at sea. I'll have to try again as I was thinking he was born 1799, as theres another Glen family with the children with the same names and a Archibald 1835. It get hard when everyone has the same names more or less.
Thanks Kym
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The LDS site has Augusta Charlotte Matilda Mclean
married to Archibald Glen
on 31 Dec 1867 at Kilfinan,Argyll,Scotland.
They also have a birth record for her on 28 Aug 1820 at KILFINAN,ARGYLL,SCOTLAND
parents names Hector Maclean, Georgina Lamont
Ann
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Well you have been busy Ann. I am new at this and have trouble getting my head around the facts. Thanks for your information on Augusta. I've the census for 1871 showing that Archibald and her are living together.
That shows that she is 40 years old which means she would have been born in 1831, but now your information says she was born in 1820. So shes saying shes 11years younger than she truly is. ??? She must have looked young and married two years after having a baby (Archibald 1865), or maybe the baby was from Archibalds first wife. She was ahead of her time like younger men. 15 years younger.
Any ideas??
Many thanks and look forward to your reply.
Kym
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Ann I forgot to ask , what is this LDS site?
Thanks Kym
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I think you'll find the ages given in the census's are rarely accurate. You could probably go plus or minus 5-10 or so years and hit on someone you know to have been a certain age at a certain time. Not everyone knew exactly how old they were, and it certainly looks like that was the case here.
The LDS site is short for the Latter Day Saints site - otherwise known as Family Search, which I know you've already discovered. You probably just needed to play around with the information you already had when you were searching - don't always put too much information in to the search boxes, sometimes less is best. I found those simply by putting her name in, no dates or places etc. It's also a pretty unusual name, so the chances of hitting more than one with it were relatively slim.
Regards
Ann
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By the way, if you put Hector and Georgina in, you'll find a whole load of children for them.
Ann
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Thanks Ann
I guess I'm must be a bit most open minded with this. :)
Cheers Kym
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Kym, do you mean the grandmother registered the birth?
Her husband may have died and she remarried a man called Bannatyne
Also, Archibalds 1st wife may have died and he remarried Augusta McLean
His death certificate may confirm this
No, sorry I got it wrong. It on the marriage cert from Archibald Glen to Janet Smith. It states the mothers maiden name a Bannatyne and show her present name a Glen. The husband is deceased. I've looked for the death cert. but without luck. I was thinking maybe he was lost at sea. I'll have to try again as I was thinking he was born 1799, as theres another Glen family with the children with the same names and a Archibald 1835. It get hard when everyone has the same names more or less.
Thanks Kym
Ifyou are still on Rootschat.... I have some research on the Glen / Glenn and Bannatyne of Allegany, Maryland, USA. Annie Glenn from Scotland, married James Bannatyne, also from there. The both died in the USA. They had a quite large family. Bron
Annie Glenn (or Glen but born 2 n)
Birth 13 February 1849 in Dumbarton, Dunbartonshire, Scotland, United Kingdom.Death 10 February 1922 in Eckhart Mines, Allegany, Maryland, USA.
James Bannatyne
Birth 31 October 1849 in Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. Death 23 June 1910 in Eckhart Mines, Allegany, Maryland, USA.