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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: goldie61 on Sunday 20 March 11 22:13 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone help with finding a Lewis Francis Augustus Bertolle in the 1841 Census?
He married Sarah in 1794, so am surmising he'd be born about 1770/5. I think Sarah was probably dead before 1841.
I can't find either of them!
He died 1843 in Wandsworth, and we think he may have come from France.
His eldest son Lewis b 1795 was by this time in Dunbartonshire (transcribed as Bertolli) with his wife and son. Father Lewis doesn't seem to be with them.
HIs next son James is married to Jane. Jane and 2 children are in Hounslow, but faher James doesn't seem to be with them. Nor grandfather Lewis.
In 1851, James and son are back in London, and Jane and 6 more children are in Surrey.
There was also a daughter Elizabeth born 1803, but I haven't found out any more
about her.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
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Hi there
there is a scotland census but not sure if it is them as ages don't seem to match up but they are in Dunbartonshire
1841
Archd Mcaulay 35 b.Dunbartonshire, Scotland, Cal Prin J. (not sure shat occ that is)
Isabella Mcaulay 30 b. scotland,
Jemina Mcaulay 5 b. Dunbartonshire, Scotland
Arch Mcaulay 3 b. Dunbartonshire, Scotland
William Mcaulay 2 b. Dunbartonshire, Scotland
Lewis Bertolli 40 b. England, Dyer
James Bertolli 15 b. England, Dyer
Eliza Bertolli 40 b. england
Elizabeth Mcvicar 20 b. scotland, F Labourer
Parish: Bonhill / ED 1 / Page: 38
any good??
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Bapt for Elizabeth
21 Sept 1803, Spitalfields, Christ Church
Parents = Lewis Francis Augustus, Dyer, Grey Eagle St & Sarah Bertolle
Bapt for Lewis = 13 Sept 1795 Place as above. Lewis Snr is still noted as a Dyer here
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Thanks Janinez
I'd got this Scottish Census and the births of Lewis jnr and Elizabeth. It is them.Both Lewis snr and Lewis jnr were dyers - later on Lewis jnr states he was even a 'master dyer'!
I'm guessing Archibald MCauley's occupation as 'Cal Prin' my be Calico printer? J for journeyman?
Still looking for Lewis senior though! - one of my 'brickwalls'
Cheers
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Hi,
Really long shot but right area and if age was rounded down?
1841
Ho107/1066 1/9 1
High Street , Putney, Wandsworth.
Family plus
Louis N K. 60 MS f (Foreign)
Cathy
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I can't find him on the census either, but I can help you out a bit with his daughter Elizabeth who my husband is descended from. She was born in 1803 as you know and married someone called Middleditch, sorry I don't know his first name. As far as I know they didn't have any children. Mr Middleditch died and then she married my husbands ancestor, John Sergeant, in Freckenham, Suffolk on 2nd May 1938. On their marriage cert her fathers christian name is spelt as Louis and his profession is a Steward!
If you get anywhere with Louis Francis Augustus Bertolle please let me know, he is also one of my brick walls!
Cheers, Lisa
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Wow!
Thanks Cath.
An very interesting entry.
As you say, could be him. I'm guessing MS is Male Servant?
What's the name of the family he is with? And they just didn't know his name?!
I wonder if he is still there in 1851?
Nice to hear from you Lisa.
It seems as if Lewis (Louis) was no longer a dyer by the time Elizabeth marries- so could fit in with the 'servant' Cath found on the 1841 Census. I guess you have found Elizabeth and John Sergeant in 1841 and he's not with them? (another idea I had in trying to break the wall!).
I come down through Lewis junior's daughter Elizabeth b 1816, who moved to Scotland with her parents, and married three times dying in 1890 in Paisley.
Keep in touch
Cheers
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Hi,
If it's a help, here's the younger Lewis in business in 1822: http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/17876/pages/2009 (third down, second column).
Rob
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Hi,
Don t think the family is of any help, can t find them in 1851 but Lewis/Louis had died by then. You might get some clues from his death certificate of 1843.
High Street ,Putney and Wandsworth
Rebecca Howell 60 Ind Y
Emily " 30 Ind Ireland
N.K. " 5mos Y
Murray " 3 Y
Charlotte Home 35 FS Y
Emma Clark 20 FS Y
Thomas Payne 45 MS Y
Charles Dennis 20 MS Y
Louis N. K 60 MS f
So a small family with several servants. How annoying the enumerator not pressing for Louis' surname :(
Good luck in your search
Cathy
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Thanks for the Census entry Cath. Must have been a wealthy family. Louis must have been very lowly!
Very interesting reading from the London Gazette Rob. Seems like they went out of business. I wonder if this may have been Lewis Senior? It's possible for 1822. By 1841 Lewis jnr was in Scotland, and he set up a dyeing company there.
Thanks for finding it. Fascinating.
Cheers everybody