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Elizabeth Spencer (nee Johnson; married James Boyle; then married Richard Spencer) refuses to die! Born c1856. Anyone come across her?
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat,
Have you found her in 1901 and 1911 censuses?
Jen
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Yes, she's safely there on both!
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Ok, so that has narrowed it down. Do you have any later points of reference for her? Addresses maybe?
Is she still in Yorkshire in 1911?
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Hi
Welcome from me too.
Can you tell us the reference number for the 1901 census please?
evie
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If I have the correct entry, 1911 has her year of birth as c1859.
There is a death in Leeds for Elizabeth Spencer, aged 68
Jun 1928 Leeds/9b/515
Have you checked this one out?
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Am 99% certain she was born in 1856 (from previous research) and have checked NBI 3 for her death. Don't want to order a wrong certificate (have done so for her once already).
She was in Leeds in 1911 and her history shows she'd been in area from age of 5 - so don't think she would have moved. 1901 census (ED24 Household 134) has her as born in Scotland, 1861 - she wasn't.
As you see, I'm really struggling!
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Hi
Do you have her marriage certificate to James Boyle? This would give her father's name and occupation, hopefully, so you could pin her down as a child. I notice there are quite a few Elizabeth Johnson's born in the Leeds district. 1855. 1856, 2 x 1859, 1861.
However having said this, if she is not sure of her age then whoever registered the death won't be certain either. The death Jen found is a good possibility. Have you an idea when Richard died? If he was after the date given by Jen then I think he would most likely to have registered the death and you could ask the local registry office to check that before ordering the certificate.
evie
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Evie,
You have just said exactly what I was about to say, so I'll add my agreement to your suggestions.
Jen :)
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Hi
I have both (Catholic) marriage certs: first (1878) shows age as 22, father deceased; second shows age as 37 (!), father's details as before.
Early censuses show: 1861, aged 5, living with parents in Leeds, birthplace Stockton. 1871, aged 15, living with mother in Leeds, birthplace Stockton. Then all indicate that she was living in Leeds. 1881 aged 26, born Leeds; 1891 aged 34, born Leeds; 1901 aged 40, born Scotland; 1911 aged 52, born Leeds.
I think that her parents gave the right information in 1861 & 1871. Richard Spencer was younger than she was - so did she tell a porkie about her age? He died in Leeds, 1929 - witnessed by his son. (Because she was already dead?)
Am currently pursuing her birth in Stockton but there are several possibles!
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Hi
Do the marriage certificates not give her father's name at all?
evie
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Hi
Yes, they do! Sorry if I didn't make that clear. He's named as James Johnson, with occupation(s) as 'cabinet maker' on the first cert & 'joiner' on second.
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I have something that may be of interest. It is a silk bookmark, for want of a better description, to the memory of Richard Spencer.
I believe this came from my grandmothers house when it was cleared after she died.
She may well have been friends with Richard, or Elizabeth. I can give her name later if anyone feels that may help but for now I will outline the details on the silk ribbon.
In loving memory of Richard Spencer, the beloved husband of Elizabeth Spencer
Who departed this life aged 64 years on August 28th 1929 aged 64 years.
And was interred in Burmantofts Cemetery on August 31st
There is an adress printed below this, 22 Hadfield St. but I am unsure as to what this relates to.
Hope this may be of use.
(ps. my first post, so forgive me barging in!)
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I was very excited to read your post about Richard Spencer and would love to know more. Is your family a branch of mine? Or were they perhaps just friends of mine? I'd be interested to know more.
Richard Spencer was in the 2nd Boer War in 1901 but had returned safely by the 1911 Census ... perhaps you know this already. He was the 2nd husband of my Great Grandmother Elizabeth. that's my connection to him.
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Not much more I can offer, as far as I remember this ribbon cam from my grandmothers, and she would have been around 30 when Richard died, and by then my grandmother was married and bringing up 3 boys. So not sure where Richard fits in, apart from maybe other family connections.
Her maiden name was Cattle, married name Keir. First name Elsie. This could either help or hinder !
I will have a dig about in the box of old family papers and see what I can find that might shed further light.
Chris