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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Lesanne on Thursday 21 April 05 22:07 BST (UK)
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:) Hi all,
Just been having a look at various sites on the subject.
Type in "Oregon Trail Dairies" in to search engine,
There are several families doing the 2000 mile trek.
If you come across the Norris family let me know. ;)
Lesanne.
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Hi Lesanne
Have you tried this site for the Oregon Trail
http://www.octa-trails.org/
They have a data base of names and lots of other stuff for the Trails
Regards
Annie
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:) Hi Annie,
Thanks for that site, it looks good.
Shame I would only be guessing at the date and that the family
did do the trail. The charge is $10 dollars per name per 5 yr span.
This "hobby" of our's has already seen off quite a bit to much.
I think that I shall have to leave this one as is. That William Norris and
his wife Sarah left England for New lenox and Salem, Illinois around 1848.
How they got there and what they did, where thier children are,
I shall never know.
Lesanne. :'(
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Hi Lesanne
I don't know if NARA (the American National Archives ) has anything - I'm sure they do !
if you find anything pertinent that maybe I could look up for you at their research office - let me know - I'd be glad to help you if I can!
Annie
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:D Hey Wow, that's really kind of you but I have nothing else to go on other than the census records for them in Illinois from 1850.
The missing Andrew Albert Norris (b1852 in Islip, Oxon) is William's nephew and I can't find him anywhere in England. Been trying since 1965. I hoped he may have visited his uncle.
I found an Andrew in prison in Oregon, wrote to their archives but that Andrew was from Penslyvania ?!?
But it's been fun, following them to the U.S.
Thanks again. Lesanne. :)
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Lesanne
One day when you have plenty of time to spare try
http://www.archives.gov/
That's NARA - even if you don't find what you want - you can spend hours finding all kinds of great stuff...last time I was on there - I happened to look at the clock and it was 4am.........!!
Try it see what you can find
Regards
Annie
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OK Lesanne
Here's what I have - you tell me if you know this stuff already.....
1861 Steeple Clayton - 1871 Banbury Oxford - 1881 St George Martyr London - 1891 Newbury Berks - 1901 Henley Oxford - all for Andrew Norris Sr( born 1827 Islip Oxon) and family
In 1861 Andrew Albert Norris Jr. was 8 years old ( born Islip Oxon )
then - I have
Name Albert A Norrris (note name wrong way round ?)
Arrival 1st June 1888
age 34
Port of departure Liverpool
Port of entry New York
Ship Britannic
Occupation Physician
Source New York Port 1851-1891
Does any of this sound familiar? I will post census if you need them - English ones that is - I don't have the American ones yet !
Regards
Annie
PS Here's something else I found ???-
Andrew Albert Norris
age 47
Death Mar 1901
Reading Berks
Vol 2c Pg. 250
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Lesanne...
Here is the 1860 info...
New Lenox IL
1860....
Wm Norris 37 farmer born Eng
Sarah 37 born Eng
Edward 13 born Illinois
Sidney 11 Illinois
Wm. 9 Illinois
Amelia 7 Illinois
Ida 5 Illinois
Fred 4 Illinois
Elizabeth 1 Illinois
Hope this helps...
Jennifer
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Hi There,
Thanks for that, Children just rushing to get to school so I must look at my dates. The Andrew, yes have his info, he is Andrew Albert's father. But I haven't anything on AA at all.
Thanks so much. Must dash. Lesanne. ;D
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Hiya, I'm back.
Rightio,
Yep, the death in Reading. Is that 2 yrs to young. But it's the only
Andrew Albert around. So I can't dismiss it.
There is also a marriage in Totnes in Mar 1881 but our AA has no bride !!!
typical. I have checked out the other couple...
I would really appreciate the 1861 english census, as that would show me, not
only Andrew & Mary, but also Henry b Jun1851 and A A b Aug 1852,
possibly others before Thomas.
Has the 1891 got anybody else on it?
On the U.S. 1850 census for William & Sarah in New Lenox Illinois.
I have Albert has the first born in Illinois c1846.
Would there be any reference to the birthplace of his mum and dad
on any of his American certificates etc. ;D
Lesanne. Thanks for all your time. :)
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Hi
1861 UK census information for Andrew NORRIS and family:
RG9/878, ED 7, Folio 108, Page 12
NORRIS
Andrew, b 1853, Islip
Andrew, b 1826, Islip
Ann, b 1856, Claydon, Bucks
Henry, b 1852, Islip
Mary, b 1829 Thorpe Manderville, Norfolk
Sarah, b 1830 Claydon, Bucks
Thomas, b 1854, Islip
Family living at Steeple Claydon, Bucks.
Hope this helps
Grub
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:D Hi Grub,
Thanks for taking the time to post the above 1861 census.
Do tell me if this posting is as on your census?
You see, I have various marriage / birth cert's.
Andrew 1853...is? Andrew Albert 1852.
Henry 1852.....is? Henry Wall 1851.
Sarah 1830...could you give her surname.. as I have a Sarah b 1862.
It may be that she is an unknown (to me) sister to Andrew Snr !!
Lesanne. 8)
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Hi Lesanne
Well AA only appears on the 1861 census aged 8 he doesn't show up on any of the others
here's 1891
22 Midgeham Green Newbury Berks
Andrew Norris aged 64 General Labourer Deaf ( did you know that? )
Mary Norris aged 61 Launderess b. Thorpe Mandaville Northants
Henrietta aged 16 Launderess b. Holborn London
He seemed to have been deaf for a while I don't think it was just old age....
Regards
Annie
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Lesanne
if you pm your email address to me - I'll send you the image !
Annie
and the others!!!!!
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:D Hey Annie,
Thanks Annie for all your info.
If only I had that info before.
It has answered so many questions.
Will get back to you once I have condensed it. ;D
Lesanne.
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OK Lesanne!
what's next?????????
Annie
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;D Hi Annie,
In 1888 our Andrew Albert would have been 35. his birthday was 10th Aug 1852.
For him to have gone to New york as a physician is quite possible.
The next 2 people down on the 61 census were public school teachers.
A.A.s dad was in charge of the railway station and a rail policeman, so could have afforded better education I guess.
At the moment I am trying to find a public school firstly on an old map.
Possibly look in Oxford school registers. If this was the case, then he could have gone to visit his Uncle in Illinois or by then in Oregon, as a doctor of ?
I only have US census up to 1870 with William & Sarah Norris.
This is great, thank you so much. Lesanne. ;D
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Do you happen to know the public schools the family members taught at?
he could have gone there .. cheap rates you know....!! discount and all that...
I'll see if I can find anything in the US
Let me know if you have an idea..
Annie
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:D Just found a school house built in Steeple Claydon the school mistress was paid 2 shillings per week. Lady Fermanagh allows this payment.
See what else I can find tonite. Lesanne. :)
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This is interesting - ties in with your original question -
what was that now..... ??????!!!!
http://ncbible.org/nwh/OrColA.html
Annie
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;D Did Andrew Albert visit his Uncle Bill in Illinois?
The school is called "Chaloner".
Did he get enough education in the right subject? :-\
Lesanne.
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No !
the original posting was about the Oregon Trail remember??
This college was built by the pioneers and Bethal College was a school of Medicine.....!!
Annie
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:D This is very hopeful.. Are there any recoginable names in that pot?
I must hit my pillow soon.. Lesanne.
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Your school
http://www.john.lerwill.btinternet.co.uk/personal/brantox2.htm
You've got plenty of reading matter now huh???? I can't see anything but I'll take another look it's only 5.45 pm here - so you go to bed - you've had a busy day and if I find something I'll post it OK ??????
So what am I looking for again??
Annie
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:) Andrew snr is brother to William Norris who went to U.S. Possibly joined the trail.
Andrew jnr is Andrew Albert Norris b1852 has disappeared.
Finding out what happened to William could help me locate A.A.
Andrew Albert Norris is the father's entry on my great grandad's marriage cert.
BUT was that Snr or Jnr. Robert my gg was born 1869 Kilburn.
Lesanne. ;D
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OK I'll try - can't promise anything but.................... !
Go to bed and I'll talk to you tomorrow
Annie
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Real fast - do you happen to know Williams occupation?
Annie
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:) Soorry about that, I'd already gone. William has Farmer and Grain Dealer.
His son Edward has Butcher.
Goodnight, :)
Lesanne.
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Hi Lesanne
Sorry can't come up with anything yet but I'll keep my eye open.....
checked shipping lists last night but nobody jumped out at me........
I'll let you know if I find anything OK?
Have a great day
Annie
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Lesanne
I didn't keep copies of all your stuff - so you have to refresh my memory about little Mary.....................!!
I've sent you an image of another Dr. Norris...........................!
thought you might be interested - couple of years off again ... but see what you think.........
Annie
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Hi Lesanne !
Here is the William Norris and Sarah from the Oregon Trail but they're not yours ....!
Sarah L. Smith
b. December 16, 1849, Knox co., Illinois. m. November 20, 1874, William V. Norris. Farmed Adams co., Iowa, Sec. 22, NE corner. Sarah Norris d. February 10, 1928, at Oelwein, Iowa.
Obituary of Sarah L. Norris
Sarah L. Smith, daughter of Seth and Mary Smith, was born December 16, 1849, in Knox co., Illinois, where she grew to womanhood. She later moved with her parents to a farm near Lenox, Iowa. She was united in marriage on November 20, 1874, to William V. Norris [b. 1849 in Illinois].
The early years of married life was spent in Southern Iowa, near Lenox. The last 17 years of her life were spent in Oelwein, Iowa where she passed away after a brief illness, on Feb. 10, 1928 her age, 78 years, one month and 25 days. She leaves to mourn her death her loving husband William V. Norris, and a daughter Mrs. J. B. Henderson, of Oelwein. Burial was in Lenox Fairview Cemetery.
Only child of Sarah and William Norris
203. I. Leona Bell b. 1877 m. J. B. Henderson, Oelwein, Iowa
Regards
Annie
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OK Lesanne
You're going to be quiet for hours now.........Enjoy!
Annie :D :D :D
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Lesanne
Here's another web site for you to peruse
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/WE-OregonTrail.html
Annie
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::) My eyes are just about to close, I've been trying to connect to the other end of the last census with my grandad, and must go.
Thanks for that site. I will have a mooch round it tomorrow.
Cheerio 4 now. Lesanne. :)