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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: toms on Saturday 19 March 11 07:32 GMT (UK)
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The death certificate for my GGGrandfather, William Wills, records he was an Army Pensioner (Private) 48th Foot Regiment. I'm trying to locate any record of his service (I've tried Chelsea Pensioner Records with "FindMyPast" but without luck. The only info I can provide on William is that he was born abt 1836 at Weedon Loys, Northampton and died 14 May 1908 at Tipton, Staffordshire.
Can anyone assist?
Regards
Tom Smith
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Hi Tom,
Big Welcome to RChat
My interest in the 48th is from an earlier era, they were involved in the Penninsula Wars under Wellington, and then were in NSW Australia as a garrison force guarding convicts.
But, I can tell you that they were known as The Northamptonshire Regiment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/48th_(Northamptonshire)_Regiment_of_Foot
http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=48th_Regiment_of_Foot
And Muster Rolls for the 48th do exist ! According to a reliable text they were found at Kew... probably now at TNA ... the general references would be
WO 12 Muster Books and Pay Lists (other ranks)
WO 17 Monthly Returns
WO 25 Returns of Officer's Service.
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
That reliable text :
ISBN 0646 25612 2
The Colonial Garrison 1817-1824
The 48th Foot
The Northamptonshire Regiment
Author : Clem Sargent.
Cheers, JM
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And from my notes
Further info in those War Office files is found at
WO 22 Out Pension Records
WO 25 - 404 Description Book 48th Regiment
Further info is also found at the Northamptonshire Regimental Museum at
Abington Museum
Abington Park
Northampton
Northamptonshire
NN1 5LW
Cheers, JM
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Hi Tom
2980 Private William Wills served in the Crimean War. The 48th Foot were involved in the siege and fall of Sebastopol.
Ken
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Does anyone know if the 48th Regiment Muster Rolls for the Peninsular War period are on Find My Past?
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Ancestry has the muster rolls for 1st Battalion 48th Regiment for the 1812-1816 period. FindMyPast only has muster rolls for the 60th and 84th.
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Ancestry has the muster rolls for 1st Battalion 48th Regiment for the 1812-1816 period. FindMyPast only has muster rolls for the 60th and 84th.
Thanks Shaun, that's very good to know.
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Hi. Is there any information out there regarding the wives and children in these regiment41st and 48th that returned to England. I am looking for records for Richard Torney and family. He was discharged in 1843. I don't now what happened to his wife Judith nee ??? Woods m Richard Torney in 1827. on the marriage certificate it states she was a widow. She had 3 children to Woods but they all died in India. 2 Girls to Richard Torney. my GGGrandmother and Margaret b1830 cannot find any other info weather they returned to UK or some nasty bug took their life. Also. what happened to service records for these deceased soldiers. I cannot find one for George Woods
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Hello everyone, I may be about to break though a brick wall that’s been giving me a headache for over 20 years: what happened to my 4 x great grandfather, born in Cowley, Middlesex in 1798, who appeared to have disappeared, almost in a puff of smoke, after December 1819. I have just found a possible match, a Private of the same name (William Trotman) in the 48th Regiment of Foot, on a Convict Shop bound for NSW in 1821, followed by a burial of a man of the same name and right age, in India in 1825. Having done some online reading around the subject, including the knowledgable posts here, I’m wondering if it’s possible to take my research any further during these days of lock down. Maybe someone here can give me a new lead or two. Here’s a precise of what I know...
1798: Born Cowley, Middlesex
1815: Gets married in Clewer
1816: birth of first son
1818: birth of second son and baptism of both sons at Cowley. Gives his profession as Miller
1818: death and burial of second son (unusual name clinches ID) at Nottingham, of all places. Newspaper search suggests 33rd Regiment of Foot in Nottingham.
1819: in later census returns, a third son give his birthplace as Guernsey
1819: December, baptism of third son at Cowley. Father’s profession is soldier
This was where the trail went Dead until the two remains sons turned up getting married in Reading in 1838 and 1841. No sighting of My man or his wife in any census returns but I’ve just found a woman who may have been their widowed mother, remarrying in the town where son 2 had been living and met his wife.
Recently found details that may add up to something:
1821: 16th July, A Private in the 48th, named William Trotman, is being treated for fever on the Earl St Vincent, bound for NSW
I’ve done some online research into the ship’s arrival and know roughly where the regiment were until they left for India, but no sighting of my man (and his family) during that time frame.
1825, 11 December, burial of William Trotman, aged 26, Private in the 48th Regiment of Foot, 11 Dec 1825, Parish of Trichinopoly St John, Tamil Nadu, India
I’ve found online information about the 48th leaving NSW for India but I don’t know when this man left or if his wife and children were with him.
I don’t want to get too excited about all this until I’ve looked at the 48th Muster Rolls. Of course, no idea when this is likely to be but if anyone has access to any further resources that could help me identify this man, including THAT BOOK about the 48th in NSW, I’d be delighted.
Thanks for reading!
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1825, 11 December, burial of William Trotman, aged 26, Private in the 48th Regiment of Foot, 11 Dec 1824, Parish of Trichinopoly St John
Where did you find that? None of my searches (FindMyPast, Ancestry, Family Search) are bringing it up. Was it 1825 or 1824?
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Apologies! It should have read 1825, will, amend my post.
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I still can't find it...
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The Genealogist have transcripts of burials in India, the Families of British India Society have transcripts and copies of the original registers. Are you researching this family?
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OK got it now thanks. I didn't know that The Genealogist now has India records !
I'm not researching this family but I have interests in things military and India.
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Then FBIS well worth a subscription.
If you can give me any leads as to when ships left to return to England, I’d be most interested. Scouring newspapers and have found lots of NWS incoming ships.
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This 48th Regiment register of service has a Wm Trotman attested in September 1819 - age 20, born Stadhampton, Oxfordshire:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/3253/images/40940_2000729097-00083
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Well how did I not get THAT come up in my searches?! Thank you so much Shaun, this is great, even though it appears to rule out my man. His family were based in Cowley, Middlesex, some considerable distance from Stadhampton.
My William Trotman enlisted into a regiment, somewhere. I’ll just have to keep searching.
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It's not impossible that he was born at Stadhampton and baptised at Cowley. I'm not seeing a baptism at Stadhampton.
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I’m Certainly going to keep this one in mind, but it doesn’t feel right. My man was born in 1798 and in all the references that I KNOW refer to him, he’s described as either a miller or a soldier, never an agricultural labourer.
Following an extensive newspaper search, the 33rd Regiment of Foot are now in the frame because they were at Nottingham during the latter months of 1818 and then went on to Guernsey in 1819, leaving in late 1819 and moving on to Newcastle via Woodstock. This all tallies with details from parish registers.