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Title: William J DAVIS
Post by: Sandra Skinner on Tuesday 15 March 11 09:49 GMT (UK)
Is anyone able to help me find the birthplace and parents of William J Davis; Born in 1870/1871 perhaps in Jugiong or Narrandera in NSW. Rumour has it, in the family, that he was born "on the wrong side of the blanket" We think his mother may have been an Irish servant girl by the name of Rose McDermott. In his life he never spoke much of his parents although we know his children visited a "Grandma Rose" in the very early 1900's.
There was a William J Davis born in Orange in 1870, but we have established that it was not him.
Grateful for any suggestions or information that you could share.
Sandra
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: majm on Tuesday 15 March 11 22:22 GMT (UK)
Hi there,

Looking at Rose McDermott ...

There's a marriage for a Rose J  McDermott to a Charles BOOTY indexed on NSW BDM online.  This was registered in the Sydney District in 1874.  Reference 172/1874 so it may have been celebrated in late 1873 as 172 is very low number.  I am not sure if Rose and Charles BOOTY stayed in NSW as I have not found any children's births registered.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm

If that Rose was your William J Davis' mum then the marriage cert should give Rose's parents details as well as information about Rose.

Transcripts of NSW certificates are cheaper and quicker than actual certificates and provide the same information
 http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent

Information found on NSW certificates 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistoryCertificates.htm
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html


Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Neil Todd on Tuesday 15 March 11 22:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Susan, Possibility of a birth to a Margaret McDermott of William father not known strangely two; one in 1868 and another in 1877 on NSW BDM.
High Probability of name Margaret Rose McDermott in Irish nameing William may also have found out his FATHERS TRUE NAME then changed his. I cannot find your William J Davis's Record of Death on NSW BDM? Do you know where he died and when? UNLESS
32475/1955  DAVIS  RICHARD WILLIAM  WILLIAM THOMAS  MARGARET ROSE in Narrabri NSW.
Neil
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Neil Todd on Wednesday 16 March 11 00:19 GMT (UK)
Just found this???
Mary A McDermott,MacDonnell, married James Davis at Yass in 1865.
ref:3557/1865
They had a son William J born 1871 registered Queenbeyan
ref:16637/1871
Only another lead but years and proximity to Jugiong which probably would be registered at Yass.
Neil
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: majm on Wednesday 16 March 11 00:59 GMT (UK)
Re James DAVIS, Queanbeyan   (Neil's reply #3)

NSW Electoral Roll 1870 and 1878
James DAVIS, residence at Half Way Creek in the electorate of Queanbeyan

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: majm on Wednesday 16 March 11 01:08 GMT (UK)
Re McDermott and Queanbeyan

1870, NSW Electoral Roll, Queanbeyan electorate
Edward McDERMOTT, residence in Town of Queanbeyan

1878 NSW ER, Queanbeyan electorate
Edward McDermott, residence at Yarralumla

I note that the Australian Governor General's residence is known as Yarralumla, and there's also a suburb of Canberra with that name!

EDIT TO ADD,  from 1875 Grevilles Directory for Queanbeyan, Edward McDermott was a farmer.
Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Neil Todd on Wednesday 16 March 11 02:07 GMT (UK)
Now I am left wondering??? Dont know if a help or hinderance.

There are 5 other siblings to William J Davis variously born from 1865 at Yass through to 1885 all of the others born at Queanbeyan ??? :o ???

Neil
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Sandra Skinner on Wednesday 16 March 11 11:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks JM and Neil. Will definitely follow up on James and Mary. and the Edward McDermott mentioned in the Grevilles and Electoral Roll.However there is MORE
Family folklore says that Rose or Mary, sometime after William was born...know not where or when... married a Mr O'Neill and had children to him . He was supposedlly the forebear of Norrn O'Neil the cricketer.  She was supposedly living with her daughter and grandchildren in Sydney in about 1920.
Have messaged Mark O'Neill, Norm's son on Facebook.and he has added me as a friend but as yet no reply.
Have spent many hours , no many days or is it weeks working on this. Wish there was a face with someone pulling their hair out.

Thanks again both of you for your interest.
Sandra
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Neil Todd on Wednesday 16 March 11 19:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra, I dont know who Rose is but it could be a nickname only. It looks like the Mary Davis Married to Henry died at Yass in 1904.
 
It would seem unlikely that this is the same family unless the "Folklore" is a bit off? She had another 4 children to Henry Davis at Queanbeyan?

Other is Norman O'Neill came from my neck of the woods born late 1930's my brother played against/with him at Kogarah. I felt he came from an old Carlton family. I would be interested to find out if you do, the connection..

Neil
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Sandra Skinner on Wednesday 16 March 11 23:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Neil,
Small world. Wiiliam 's daughter lived in Bexley for most of her married life. We live in the Suth. Shire. I have established that Louis O'Neill, Norm's Grandfather may have been the connection. In 1875 a Louis O'Neil was born to a Kate. Surname of child was O'Neill father's forename unknown.
As Louis is a common name in Norrn O'Neill's family I am hoping that I have it right.
As Louis is not a very common name I have found the death of a Louis O'Neill in Camden in 1950 and have sent f ???or a transcript of his D Cert. Also a Mary O'Neill died in Carcoar in 1918  mother Rose. William was married in Orange.Have sent for this as well. When I receive these I will send for Davis and McDermott transcripts if appropriate.  Once again many thanks.
Sandra
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: judb on Thursday 17 March 11 06:54 GMT (UK)
Perhaps this is a connection:

TROVE has many mentions of Louis O'Neill over the years - one of them looks interesting, given the Yass connection - he was committed at Yass Court for forgery, Tues 20 March 1877.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

Judith
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Sandra Skinner on Thursday 17 March 11 07:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Judith,
Have used Trove before but not sure why I can't get any results for Louis O'Neill.
What type of search did you do?
Sandra
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Sandra Skinner on Thursday 17 March 11 08:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Judith ,
Just realised I had to leave out the apostrophe. Going back to look now. Thanks.
Sandra
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: GRIZZ30 on Monday 12 March 12 04:20 GMT (UK)
Hi all looking for Mary / Rose Mcdermott
Long Story this one

John Bluck (convict) per Speck 1820 Married Isabella Craggs (convict) per Grendada 1826 in 1829 Sydney

One only Child MARY ALICE BLUCK Born  1830 parramatta  Married Bernard Mcermott (convict) per Waterloo 1836   in 1846  Two daughters from this marrage  Mary  Kate Mcdermott 1848 and Rose Isabella Mcdermott  1850 parramatta

Rose as already stated Married Charles Booty 1874 and returned with her new husband and her father Bernard back to Suffolk England

Mary married Daniel O'neill  Jumped ship The wind hover from New Zealand in 1868 . Supposed to have been married 26th December 1870 Wagga But NO CERT CAN BE FOUND  the had the following Childred
1873 ROSE   1874 Margaret  1875 Louis 1876 Daniel Death 1881 1880 Catherine 1885 Francis Purnell 1887 Daniel Singelton  Also Louise O'neill bith date Unknown
Rose O'neill Was my Great Grandmother  Have Heep of info on all If you wish to know more please let me know

Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Neil Todd on Monday 12 March 12 04:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Grizz30, is your post in direct connection to this thread? It seems to be headed off in another direction. Should it be in connection to William Davis, I apologise. If you intended to start a new Thread and would like others to see your questions then you need to go back to the main board Australia and on the right hand side is a tab for new thread. Click that put in your main heading with the name you are seeking in Capitals and pose your question in the body of the text.

Neil
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Sandra Skinner on Wednesday 17 February 16 10:05 GMT (UK)
Many moons ago I posted a question about William j Davis. In your reply you mentioned you had a lot of information about Rose O'Neill. On her mother's DC it is claimed that Rose was the daughter of an unknown "Davis" Her mother then had other children to a Daniel O'Neill. Thus the name Rose O'Neill. Can you provide me with any information about this?? Would be extremely grateful.
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: Sandra Skinner on Saturday 27 February 16 04:28 GMT (UK)
Many moons ago you posted the previous information about this family and you said you had heaps of info as Rose O'Neill was your great grandmother. Mary Kate McDermott was my husnand's great great grandmother. His great grandfather was William J Davis born to Mary before she married Daniel O'Neill. Would welcome any information you can share about this family..thanks in advance  :)
Title: Re: William J DAVIS
Post by: sarah on Monday 23 May 16 09:54 BST (UK)
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Hi Sandra  
Sorry have taken so long to get back to you . here goes  Start at the beginning   John Bluck Born 1801 Hereford England  was tried 31.7.1820 Hereford for passing forged notes and notdorsing the same with false address    Received originaly 14 years commuted to 7 years 

Sent to Aust  per Speck (3)  1821 was assigned to town gang on list of persons vactualled fro H>M Magazines  received cert of freedom 2.8.1834

Married Isabell Craggs  Convict  Born 30.8.1807 Cravan Parish reg 1745 - 1812 Daughter of Richard Craggs Skipton painter  

Trial  30.7.1825  Stealing  Durham -Sabberge Assizes  Sentence  Death 

Commuted Life  Transported per Grenada (4) 8.9.1826  pardoned  9.2.1850 

John and Isabella married  26.1.1829  by Rev Hill Sydney

John and Isabella had one  child   Mary Alice Bluck 

Mary Alice Bluck  married Bernard Mcdermott Parramatta 1846 

Mary and Bernard were  your husdands  Great great great grand mother and father   

Will continue this later as I have to leave and I only have access to computer at work   
Best regards 
Grizz30

Posted on behalf of Grizz30, who had sent the message to me in error Grizz you will find the blue reply button just below the last response on your thread ;)

Regards

Sarah