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Title: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: Researcher1953 on Sunday 13 March 11 21:57 GMT (UK)
Looking for information relating to Richard PARRY (ancestors, sibblings and descendants)
Born about 1835
Married Elizabeth Pickton (born c.1835)

Sibblings - No information

Parents - No information

Children -
- Edward
-Thomas George
-Alfred
-Walter
-Sarah (m Cox)
-Caroline
-Benjamin
-James (m. Agnes Mary BAKER in West Ham, London)
-Jane
-Amelia
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: groom on Sunday 13 March 11 22:11 GMT (UK)
This looks like him in 1851

HO 107/1471/150/7   Fulham

Walter Parry  53   ? and Gard farming 9 acres    Fulham
Catherine Parry 50                                              Bishops Norne Herts
Richard Parry 17      Bricklayer                             Fulham
Caroline Parry 16                                                 Fulham                                         
William Parry  13                                                  Fulham
Louisa Parry 11                                                    Fulham
George Parry 7                                                     Fulham
Benjamin Parry 5                                                   Fulham

Jan
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Sunday 13 March 11 22:37 GMT (UK)
25/12/1852 St.Mary Putney

Richard Parry 21 Bricklayer father Walter Gardener
Elizabeth Pickton 21 Servant father Thomas Shoemaker
Witnesses Thomas Pickton & Emma Du?ton

1851 also says farming 9 acres employing 3 men

1871 2a Ma?well Road King Road Fulham  10/71/54

Richard 36 Bricklayer
Elizabeth 36
Edward 16
George 12
Caroline 8
Walter 8
Benjamin 7
James 5
All born Fulham
Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: Researcher1953 on Sunday 13 March 11 22:46 GMT (UK)
Jan & Jennifer,

Thanks for your prompt responses.  It was much appreciated.  At least I know the details of my Great, Great, Great Grandparents now and have clues as to Richard's sibblings.

The 1871 entry is "Maxwell Road" it is off the New Kings Road and still exists - I grew up in Fulham and knew it well.

Regards

Alan Parry
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Sunday 13 March 11 22:48 GMT (UK)
1841 census 689/12/5
Walter Parry 40 Market Gardener
Caroline 35
Henry 10
Richard 7
Walter 3
Louisa 2
Charlotte 3 months. all born in the county

I have double checked 41 say's Caroline 51- Catherine.

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: dawnsh on Sunday 13 March 11 22:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Alan

Richard also had an older sister, Eliza Harriett, baptised 6th Sept 1829 at All Saints Fulham. They were living at Lands End and Walter was a Market Gardener.

Dawn
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Sunday 13 March 11 22:59 GMT (UK)
Eliza's mother is given as Catherine in 1829, so seems Caroline was an enumerators mistake?

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: Researcher1953 on Monday 14 March 11 18:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Jan, Jennifer & Dawn,

Thanks again for the input, but the answers seem to raise another set of questions.  From your sources I think that there may be the possibility, however remote, that there are two separate lines of Parry's with similar sounding families, both by chance (or not by chance) living in West London.  They may have been distant cousins, there seems to be quite a lot of Parry's living in and around Fulham, Hammersmith, Chelsea and Putney.

One Walter marrying a Caroline and the other a Catherine may not an enumerator's mistake, but two different families.  One living in Fulham and the other in Lands End which is in Chelsea (I stumbled sometime ago to a reference to a branch of the family living in Lots Road, which is in this area).

Richard's age/date of birth seems to be out by 3 years.  If the entry for the marriage in 1852 is correct and Richard and Elizabeth were each 21 that would mean that they were born around 1831, yet if you look at the census data for 1841 when Richard was 7 this would mean that he was born in 1834ish.

Any further backgound information would be extremely useful or if you would kindly point me in the direction of possible leads it would, as always, be very much appreciated.

Regards,


Alan
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Monday 14 March 11 23:26 GMT (UK)
Hello Alan,

I have checked and checked and have found all father Walter Market Gardener

Eliza Harriet - Bapt Sept 1829 - All Saints - mother Catherine  - Lands End
Henry             Bapt  April 1831      "              mother Elizabeth  - Lands End
Caroline         Bapt  May 1835      "               mother Caroline   - Lands End
Walter WilliamBapt Aug  1837 -Walham Green -  mother Catherine - Stanley Bridge
Louisa Jane    Bapt Jul 1839  -     "            "         mother Caroline Lands End
Charlotte       Bapt  Mar 1841 -   "             "         Mother - Catherine Stanley Bridge
George          Bapt  Sept 1843    "             "         Mother Catherine - Stanley Bridge
Benjamin Charles Bapt Oct 1845 "            "         mother Catherine - St.John's

I can not find two registrations for any of these children to indicate two families?

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Monday 14 March 11 23:28 GMT (UK)
1861 census 9/29/20   2 Providence Place Fuham

Richard Parry 27 Builder
Elizabeth 27
Edward 6
George 3
Alfred 1.

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: Researcher1953 on Tuesday 15 March 11 19:44 GMT (UK)
Hi Jennifer,

Thank you yet again for your help it was much appreciated.

Regards

Alan
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: dawnsh on Tuesday 15 March 11 20:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Alan

Louisa Parry married John Holloway Seaton 22nd Feb 1865 at St Philip Lambeth, father Walter Parry (Deceased) Market Gardener

George Parry married Emily Bloom 20th Feb 1872 St Lukes Chelsea, father Walter Parry Market Gardener - no mention of his demise - maybe the vicar didn't ask

Benjamin Charles Parry married Mary Ann Parvin 19th Dec 1870 St Michael & All Angels Paddington, father Walter Parry Market Gardener - again no mention of his demise

Dawn
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: Researcher1953 on Tuesday 15 March 11 21:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Dawn & Jennifer,

Given the information that both of you have provided I am beginning to suspect that there were, in fact, two separate families led by a Walter Parry - one married a Catherine and the other a Caroline (as a second marriage after Elizabeth). 

Louise's mother was Caroline, and by the time she married her father was dead

The other two's mother (George & Benjamin) was Catherine and yet their father's demise is silent.

From Jennifer's list we have Caroline being baptised in May 1835 (with Caroline being identified as the mother) yet there is no mention of Richard my Great Great Grandfather who I think was also born in 1835 to Catherine.

The name Elizabeth (as a mother) only appears once in Jennifer's list could it be that she died and Walter re-married Caroline?

Regards

Alan
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Tuesday 15 March 11 22:43 GMT (UK)
Hello Alan glad to be of help.

If you list the children on the 1841 & 1851 and their c.birth dates, without looking at the mother's name and then look at the list of baptism's without looking at the mother's names, they match almost exactly. There are no other baptism's with the father Walter born Fulham. There is only ever one family in the different census at one time, if there was two families you would expect them both to turn up together in one of the census.

The fly in the ointment is I can not find the baptism of your 'Richard', this would be a big help.

I wish you luck, at least you have a little more information than before you started.

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: BRUCE PARRY on Saturday 07 May 11 10:32 BST (UK)
  Hi,
 I'm researching my ancestor William Parry married Maria Whanslaw of Wandsworth or nearby area in Dec 1810.Chidren include James bn 1817 and Richard bn 1822 and christened at St Marylebone.
  Because of geographical area perhaps we are talking of same family.William's occupation was bricklayer.
                              Bruce Parry   Australia
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: BRUCE PARRY on Monday 09 May 11 03:39 BST (UK)
  Unable to receive your response - and I presume that I'M a generation earlier than you query.
     cheers !!  Bruce Parry
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: BRUCE PARRY on Friday 16 November 12 22:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Alan,
  just wondering if you know the names of the parents of Richard Parry c1835.
  I'm researching my Gx3 grandfather,William who had 2 sons James 1811,bricklayer and Richard bn 1822 in St Johns Wood,Paddington. William was also a bricklayer.
      cheers  !!    Bruce  Australia
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 17 November 12 09:23 GMT (UK)
There is a Richard a bricklayer in Fulham in 1851 aged 17 who is with parents Walter a Market gardener & farmer & Cathrine.

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: BRUCE PARRY on Saturday 17 November 12 12:01 GMT (UK)
 Thank you Jennifer, but it appears I'm still seeking an earlier generation,
     Bruce
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 17 November 12 20:59 GMT (UK)
Marriage 16/12/1810 St.Mary  St.Marylebone
 William Parry married Maria Whanslaw witnesses Joseph Parry & Ann Cobb

Burial- St.Mary Paddington Green 9/2/1849 Maria Parry aged 59 address Hereford Street Marylebone

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 17 November 12 21:11 GMT (UK)
Eliza Parry born 29/8/1813 bapt. St.Marylebone 26/9/1813 parents William & Maria occ. Trade

29/1/1838 St.Marylebone Church
Thomas Trevett Coachman Salisbury Street father Thomas- Cordwainer
Eliza Parry Salisbury Street father William- Bricklayer

witnesses William Parrry & Harriet Penny

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 17 November 12 21:19 GMT (UK)
Susan Parry born 1/4/1824
 bapt 1/5/1825 St.Marylebone parents William & Maria add.51 Carl Street (could be Earl Street) Trade

St.Mary Paddington Green 18/11/1847
William Thomas Gould Barrister's Clerk Old Church Street father Joseph same occ.
Susan Parry Manor Place father William - Builder
Witnesses John, Rosa & Henry Bullar

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 17 November 12 21:37 GMT (UK)
William Thomas Parry bapt. 22/12/1811 MLB parents William & Maria

St.James Paddington 13/7/1834

William Thomas Parry married Ann Maria Trevett witnesses Thomas & Mary Trevett

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 17 November 12 21:49 GMT (UK)
St.Marylebone 15/1/1826 bapt.
Elizabeth Parry born 18/12//1825 51 Carl Street ( it may be Earl Street?)
parents William & Maria - occ- Bricklayer

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 17 November 12 22:09 GMT (UK)
Will-

Walter Parry died 29/3/1860 3 Caroline Terrace Kings Road proved Catherine Parry widow Henry Walter Parry 3 Albion Place London Road Fulham Greengrocer son, & Edwin Johnson 1 Kings Terrace Kings Road Grocer. Under £800.

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: BRUCE PARRY on Saturday 17 November 12 23:27 GMT (UK)
  Thanks Jennifer,
 William Parry m 1810 is my 'brickwall' and I was trying to find out if he was related to your Richard,bricklayer eg he may be a cousin or nephew.
    cheers !!    Bruce
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 17 November 12 23:44 GMT (UK)
Did the info. of their marriage with witness Joseph Parry at bottom of previous page help tie them in to Richard. Any thing you can think of that would tie them together we can find. Who was Richard's father?

He is not 'my Richard', I am only helping out.

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: BRUCE PARRY on Tuesday 20 November 12 01:51 GMT (UK)
  Thanks Jennifer,
 your info confirms my records.
  I guess Walter is my next step to see if he's related to William Parry ( m 1810).
              cheers  !!
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Tuesday 20 November 12 10:14 GMT (UK)
There is a Walter Parry listed on the Electoral roll for Kings Road Sand-End Fulham from 1847-1859

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Tuesday 20 November 12 10:37 GMT (UK)
Wills_

Henry Parry - Gardener of Sand-Cut Kings Road Fulham wrote his will 25/9/1810 Probate 16/9/1815

He mentions his dear wife Ann his brother Walter, his brother George Parry a Labourer of George Street  Marylebone, his eldest son William Henry Parry and his younger sons James & Walter.
Well worth getting very clear and well written.

Ann Parry widow of Walter Parry -Gardener  died 23/3/1833 proved in person 20/1/1834 by her son Walter a Gardener of Kings Road Under £100.

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Tuesday 20 November 12 13:36 GMT (UK)
Fulham All Saints 6/8/1815 burial Henry Parry aged 68 Sand End

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: jennifer c on Tuesday 20 November 12 14:48 GMT (UK)
Same Church and address Ann Parry burial 31/3/1833 aged 77

Jennifer
Title: Re: FULHAM - Parry family
Post by: ree21 on Thursday 21 February 13 21:12 GMT (UK)
The Elizabeth Pickton, daughter of Thomas and Emma , anyone have dates and places of births for them or be able to find exactly what line they are from? I have a Thomas Picton married to a Emma UNKNOWN i have him as 1822c which im not sure where i got that date from, he is the child of Thomas Picton and Ann shering anyone know if this is the same one?