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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Carlow => Topic started by: Paul VD on Sunday 13 March 11 15:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I seeking further information on this family. It appears they are buried in St Mullins church yard and show up onthe 1901 census, Carlow-Glynn - Bauck. See excerpt image
Attached are photos taken in New Ross and id's would be appreciated. My line is that of Patrick Purcell who emigrated to Troy NY.
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Here are the likely index references for the deaths you mentioned. These can be used to order certs from the GRO.
Name: John Purcell
Registration district: New Ross
Event type: Death
Quarter and year: Apr-Jun 1915
Age : 81 (est. year of birth 1834)
Volume : 4 / Page : 488
Name: Mary Purcell
Registration: New Ross
Event type: Death
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1913
Age : 82 (est. year of birth 1831)
Volume : 4 / Page : 427
Death certs would give you location and cause of death, and also an informant - which may be a family member.
See :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Death Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)
Here's a link to the family on the 1901 census for Reference - Purcell household - 1901 (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Glynn/Bauck/1045025/)
The household is located in Co. Carlow, and quite a distance from New Ross... did the family move to Co. Wexford at some stage ?
Shane
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here's the same household on the 1911 census - surname mis-transcribed as Parcell, and townland mis-transcribed as Banck
Purcell household, Bauck townland, Co. Carlow (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Glynn/Banck/313542/)
The townland of Bauck is 15 km inside Co. Carlow, but is in the registration district based in New Ross, Co. Wexford.
Shane
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here's a possible match for the birth of their daughter Johanna, from the extracted records on familysearch :
Name: Johanna Purcell
Birth date: 04 Aug 1878
Birthplace: St. Mullins, Carlow
Parents : John Purcell & Mary Fleming
Unfortunately there's no reference number in these particular records, and there are two possible matches on the Civil BMD Index :
Name: Johanna Purcell
Registration district: New Ross
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Jul-Sep 1878
Volume : 4 / Page : 763
Name: Johanna Purcell
Registration district: New Ross
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Jul-Sep 1878
Volume : 4 / Page : 780
On the 1911 census John and Mary indicate they are married 50 about years, so about 1861, so a search of parish records will be required to check for a possible marriage for them.
Shane
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details of a number of children to John and Mary are listed on FamilySearch - see : Purcell/Fleming children (https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/index/record-search-advanced#searchType=records&fed=true&collectionId=1584963&advanced=true&givenName=&surname=purcell&eventType=any&eventLocation=&eventYearFrom=&eventYearTo=&relationship=parents&fatherFirst=john&fatherLast=&motherFirst=mary&motherLast=fleming&filtered=true)
William, John, Patrick, Martin, Mary and James - all registered in Co. Carlow. Due to the marriage date being before the start of full civil registration, there could possibly be additional children not included in this data if they were born before 1864.
Shane
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Shane thank you so much. the family group shot is taken In Kilkenny so it may be the family might be John Hayden and Bridget Murphy of Graiguenamagh. Their daughters Kate and Margaret came to the USA near Albany NY. Margaret married Patrick Purcell son of John and Mary.
I have another battered photo that may be both Johanna and Mary ( Minnie) that I will post later. Another brother Thomas, lived in Chicago. I have some photos of his family as well. This is his son's birth certifcate.
Paul
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sorry - full certs are not permitted on RootsChat... just small extracts. Usually so that people can assist in deciphering difficult to read names & places etc.
I've replaced the full cert image with a smaller section.
I think this thread might be better off in the section for Co. Carlow - I dont see any specific Wexford connections at the moment ... is it ok if I move it for you ?
Leinster Moderator.
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Shane as to the family moving I do not know I only just recently verfied that the St Mullins area was definitely the "target". Bernard was one of the youngest of 9 siblings and much was lost over the years. He had journied back to Ireland in the early 1980's and had met kin there but much of the details were lost. ( although my nephew has his hand written notes that I have yet to review.) Various other kin have done some tracking but again not really passed along.
Anyhow my working assumption is that location of the government entity responsible for the area shifted over time. I also assume since Graiguenamagh is relatively close but most photos come from either Kilkenny or New Ross that there were few photographers at first most likely just the larger cities. These are likely to be around the turn of the century with the tinttypes going back to the late 1800's. I will have to research the photos by area to know for sure but that's a rough guess. I am told you can tell by the technology and the dress/ composition much about dates. Thomas we are told by family legend came over first and went to Chicago. Patrick it is said followed but moved to Troy. As Patirck was about 19 when he emigrated it confirms the notion that Thomas was older. He give his age as 38 when his son is born in 1902 and died 1/13/1941 at age 76. So he was born around 1865 or 1864 making him one of the older siblings.
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Sure I didn't know about the full cert rule. Anyhow fine except that it is referencing St. Mullins in Carlow Co. as the place of birth of Thomas Purcell the boy's father.
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St. Mullen's is within Co. Carlow and all the family except John list Co. Carlow as place of birth on the Census returns, so I'll move this thread there for now.
The confusing part is that the Civil Registration district based in New Ross covers a large part of Co. Wexford but also includes parts of Co. Kilkenny and extends north as far as parts of southern Co. Carlow, including St. Mullens.
You mentioned Graiguenamagh earlier, which is in Co. Kilkenny and about 8km north of St. Mullens and is located right beside the border with Co. Carlow.
Shane
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Shane,
I have some new information, I was able to contact the descendent of a man who married Johannah, a.k.a. Hanna Purcell. she was indeed born in St. Mullin's and married a few weeks after the 1911 census there to a William Drew. The descendents of his family still are in St. Mullin's . William and Hanna also move to Chicago where she passes in the 30's. He marriage record and birth record available thru the St. Mullin's church records confirm Bauck as the location for her birth and death.
with respect to John as a child I find the earliest record in the area showing a John Purcell is the 1837 Valaution but places him in a townland "bigwoods" just inside Wexford over the bridge at Poulmantry. It appears on google maps that you could be on Bauck hill and look over at the big woods area maybe 2-21/2 miles away. This little tag end of St. Mullin's in Wexford contains 4 to 6 townslands while the vast majority is in Carlow. This would appear to suggest that the family moved to Bauck at some point. The 1853 shows John Purcell's in Ballyknockcrumpin and Ballynalour. So maybe a father and son. The townlands are between Bauck and the Wexford border with Ballyknockcrumpin seemingly across the tributary that enter the Barrow from the Bigwoods area. Closer than it seems at first glance.
This battered image is the only one we have labeled Slater's Graigue, It could be Graiguenamgh in Kilkenny or what was formerly known a Graigue in Carlow. The likely folks for this are Johannah and Mary Minnie Purcell.
The second image is an electoral district map from the Wexford public site showing the little area of St. Mullin's lodged in Wexford. The black line obscure the tributary to the Barrow which appears to the boundary between counties.
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HI Paul,
I am a retired Carlow Purcell, currently living in Scotland. I am particularly interested in your St Mullin's Purcells as part of some research I have been conducting. I found the marriage record for your John Purcell and Mary Flemming, marriage date what looks like 15th May 1862 residence given as Drummond, St Mullins. Coincidently I also have Slaters in my line but it is likely just coincidence. My interest is in a Patrick Purcell listed in the Tithe Applotment Books as occupying land in Knockshawn townland in St Mullins occupying 1 acre 2 roods 19 perches. Patrick may be the father of aforementioned John Purcell. Have you taken DNA test with Ancestry or Myheritage or FTDNA?
James M A Purcell (aka Tony)