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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: mojo1970 on Friday 11 March 11 21:30 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Trying to trace family of my great-grandmother Elizabeth (Eliza) Jenkins born I believe in Belfast in 1865. No father was named on my grandfather John's birth certificate so it is quite difficult to discover anything relating to Elizabeth. What I do know is that she worked as a maid in Larne around 1902/1903, and returned to Belfast before 1911. I found them both on the 1911 census but cannot find Elizabeth on the 1901 census, while my grandfather was born in 1903 in Larne. I believe my grandfathers middle name of McNeill is his fathers surname, but this is only a guess. Her parents maybe William Jenkins and mother Elizabeth (nee Gault). There is a possibility that she may have been married to someone else before going to Larne.
Any information would be very much appreciated!!
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Is this Eliza Jenkins and son in 1911 census? (listed as single)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Napier_Street/156071
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Hi,
These may be yours. Spelling wasn't great in those days.
23 Mar 1862 William JUNKIN married Elizabeth Gault in Larne Civil Registrars Office
23 March 1865 Elizabeth born to William Junkin and Elizabeth GALT in Ballynure Larne.
Two other children were Agnes 1867 and David 1869.
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Yes, My grandad John grew up around the Sandy Row area so I do believe this is him and his mother. It says county down which is a bit confusing, but I am starting to believe she may have been married and then divorced even though it says single. This is an avenue that I would like to explore.
Any marriage records available anywhere, say 1884 to 1903 in the antrim or down areas?
Thanks
Terry
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It was the head of the household who gave the census information so the details could easily be incorrect.
Civil registration index is online- you'll need to search for bride and groom separately then cross-reference results for matching details-
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347
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Hi, Thanks for the link. I was correct, Elizabeth Jenkins/Junkin was married to an Andrew M'Kay in 1877, he may have died in 1885 if this is the same person. Hard to believe this as she would only have been 12. He may have links to Derry/Londonderry, and there is an Elizabeth M'Kay on the 1901 census working as a servant/maid. Like I said she worked as a servant/maid in around 1902/03 in Larne.
Could she have got married at 12? Her mother Elizabeth Gault I believe died in 1877, maybe this had something to do with it. Can you confirm any of this? I will keep going and will find an answer!!!
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Hi,
This may be a bit of a blow. The McKay/Junkin marriage took place in Ballymena 1st Presbyterian Church followed by a marriage in Ballymena Registrars Office on 26 Oct 1877. In this case the bride's father was given as JAMES.
Regards
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Hi, Appreciate that info, at least it's one avenue closed!
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Hi, Elizabeth Jenkins/Junkin mother was named Elizabeth Gault and I remember when I was quite small that my parents went to a church in Glynn near Larne to visit graves there. I can only presume that it was the Gault family that they where visiting. That family is of a William and Elizabeth Gault and I have found references on the internet in regards to this family line, but no reference to an Elizabeth. The dates fit in as there is a sons James (c1838), Hugh (c1830), Patrick (c1836), and daughter Agnes (c1834). Is it possible these are in fact cousins and not brothers & sister of my Elizabeth Gault. I found reference to a William Gault but with no date of birth in the Balymoney area as well as an Elizabeth Gault and it could be that these two family lines trace back to brothers Hugh & John Gault c1750-1755 in the Larne area.
Is it possible to get more info on Elizabeth Gault born c1840 in Antrim or her father William?
Best Regards, Terry
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Hi All,
I am still trying to check out the theory that my great-grandmother Elizabeth Jenkins/Junkin was married around the late 19th century. I can't find an Elizabeth Jenkins/Junkin that matches in the 1901 census. Maybe she just wasn't on it!
Although I did find two marriages. Elizabeth Junkin (gault) 1872 to a Thomas Smyth which really can't be her. Or, an Elizabeth Jenkins to a Matthew Patterson in 1885, both in Larne. The strange thing is I can't find any combination of the Jenkins/Patterson names on the 1901 census. Anyone with any ideas of where to get info on the 1885 marriage, and out of interest who the Elizabeth is in the earlier 1872 marriage?
Kind regards
Terry Morrow
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Hi All, This is just an update on the search for my Great Grandfather. Thanks to DNA, the McNeill aspect of his name is correct. There was a match to a McNeill family from Larne which has narrowed the search down to I believe two possibilities. The DNA match came from a relative in New Zealand, an Andrew McNeill, brother of John McNeill living at 4 Roddens Road, Larne (1911 census). Andrew emigrated to NZ, another brother William James emigrated to Australia with John and another brother Allan living in Larne. I believe that either John or Allan to be my Great-Grandfather. John is married with several children so would he have had an affair with my Great-Grandmother, then sent her away when she fell pregnant, not so sure!! Allan, now this is interesting. From what I understand Allan was sent to a mental institution I presume sometime after 1911. Could this be the reason why my G-Grandmother left Larne for Belfast??
By the way, Andrew McNeill's son Tom is a 1st cousin match to my Grandfather. I just want to say thank you for your help on all of my research. Kind Regards
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I notice on the birth record of John in 1903 the mothers maiden name was Gingles, then crossed out and Jenkins substituted. There are Elizabeth Gingles born in Larne.
SS
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I notice on the birth record of John in 1903 the mothers maiden name was Gingles, then crossed out and Jenkins substituted. There are Elizabeth Gingles born in Larne.
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Hi, Not sure why the Gingles was written but I presume just a mistake at the time. I have no family connection to the Gingles family. Regards.
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I think that there are some things you might have missed and mis-interpreted.
Staring with the 1911 census here's Eliza Jenkins (age 45) and son John (age 7)-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Napier_Street/156071
Here's John's birth (mother Lizzie)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01883/1732437.pdf
Now, back ten years to 1901 census- Lizzie Jenkins is 27 and it looks as though David Jenkins (26) and Lily Smyth (7) are siblings/half siblings.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Hope_Street/995970/
Now, Lily is sometimes a nickname for Elizabeth but I couldn't find an Elizabeth or Lily Smyth born in Larne district in the 1890s. However, searching for the surname as Jenkins brings up this birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02329/1871958.pdf Lizzie Gault- mother Lizzie Jenkins, name of father Samuel Richmond crossed out (father of illegitimate children had to attend registration in order to be listed on birth certificate).
So, looks like Elizabeth/Eliza/Lizzie Jenkins had more than one illegitimate child. This also makes it unlikely that she was married in late 1800s.
There's more in next post ...
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I think that there are some things you might have missed and mis-interpreted.
Staring with the 1911 census here's Eliza Jenkins (age 45) and son John (age 7)-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Napier_Street/156071
Here's John's birth (mother Lizzie)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01883/1732437.pdf
Now, back ten years to 1901 census- Lizzie Jenkins is 27 and it looks as though David Jenkins (26) and Lily Smyth (7) are siblings/half siblings.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Hope_Street/995970/
Now, Lily is sometimes a nickname for Elizabeth but I couldn't find an Elizabeth or Lily Smyth born in Larne district in the 1890s. However, searching for the surname as Jenkins brings up this birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02329/1871958.pdf Lizzie Gault- mother Lizzie Jenkins, name of father Samuel Richmond crossed out (father of illegitimate children had to attend registration in order to be listed on birth certificate).
So, looks like Elizabeth/Eliza/Lizzie Jenkins had more than one illegitimate child. This also makes it unlikely that she was married in late 1800s.
There's more in next post ...
Hi, I believed that Lily Smyth's father was a Thomas Smyth who married my GG-Grandmother Elizabeth Gault in 1872. I now have all the information in regard to the Smyth family. The Redmond connection is new to me but I can confirm that Agnes Moore is Elizabeth Jenkins/Junkin's sister. Why would Lizzie Jenkins' daughter be given the surname Gault? Very confusing!!
Can you make out the name under Lizzie Jenkins on Lizzie Gault's birth cert? Kind Regards
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Looks like her occupation of dressmaker ( see #351 two above).
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Why would Lizzie Jenkins' daughter be given the surname Gault? Very confusing!!
Can you make out the name under Lizzie Jenkins on Lizzie Gault's birth cert?
You still are getting muddled so let’s go back to Lily before I start posting more details-
Lizzie Gault- mother Lizzie Jenkins, name of father Samuel Richmond crossed out (father of illegitimate children had to attend registration in order to be listed on birth certificate).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02329/1871958.pdf (Gault is Lizzie middle name) – surnames are not listed on birth registrations. At the time of her marriage in 1917 she is Elizabeth Gault Jenkins- presumably named after her grandmother.. Her father seems to have been a Samuel RICHMOND (not Redmond)- more on him later. Her mother Lizzie Jenkins’ occupation was Dressmaker (the word you had trouble reading).
Lily Smyth (age 7)- possibly raised by grandmother Elizabeth (Gault) Smyth-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Hope_Street/995970/
Lilly Jenkins, age 18, in household of Sarah (Smyth) Blair- more on Sarah later-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Larne/Shore_Road/196143/
Elizabth Gault Jenkins m.(1917) James Fleck McKinstry. There is no father listed for the bride which is not surprising since she was illegitimate.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09735/5532174.pdf
A bit about James Fleck McKinstry here- although wife not listed-
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/McKinstry-877
Sadly, I did find this WWII death for John in 1942, son of John Flack and Elizabeth Gault McKinstry (note: Flack and Gault are their middle names)
https://losses.internationalbcc.co.uk/loss/218878/
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2777723/john-mckinstry/
McKinstry John of 34 Fleet Street Larne Harbour county Antrim sergeant Royal air force died 8 June 1942 at Essen Ruhr Germany Administration (with Will) Belfast 20 January to Elizabeth Gault McKinstry widow. Effects £463 9s.
Here’s John’s birth in 1918-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01283/1531883.pdf
Sister Sarah Blair McKInstry born 1920- Lizzie was living with Sarah Blair in 1911 and when she married in 1917 (she may have lived with the Blairs for many years)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01211/1503655.pdf
Sister Maureen born 4 Mar.1922. Sister Jamesina born 4 June 1924. There could be others younger.
McKinstry James Flack of Fleet Street Larne Harbour Larne county Antrim labourer died 16 November 1931 Probate Belfast 20 January [1932] to Elizabeth Cecil McKinstry the widow. Effects £1266 4s. 4d. [Likely Gault has been misread as Cecil]
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This witness may or may not be the Samuel Richmond father of Elizabeth Gault Jenkins/Smyth later McKinstry but it is interesting that the groom is a John McNeill (John Hunter McNeill married Sarah Smyth)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10649/5879931.pdf
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There were two men named William Junkin with a wife Elizabeth in the area so to rule out later possibilities here's the William Junkin who was a prosperous farmer living at Tureagh townland-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/raloo/raloo/tureagh/
William Junkin (d.13 July 1895) m.(1855) Eliza Jane McClean (d.1900)
Marriage of William Junkin & Eliza Jane McClean-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1855/09492/5440131.pdf
The Will (with one Codicil) of William Junkin late of Blackhill Foreagh Raloo County Antrim Farmer who died 13 July 1895 at same place was proved at Belfast by Robert Junkin and William Junkin both of Blackhill Farmers the Executors. Effects £841 10s. Will dated 6 Feb.1890 mentions son William, son Robert, daughter Agnes, wife [not named]. Codicil added 2 Feb.1895.
Death of Eliza Jane Junkin, widow of William, in 1900 (informant a son William)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05775/4632687.pdf
Three children mentioned in his Will-
1. Robert Junkin (c1857-1899) m.(1896) Elizabeth/Lizzie Buchanan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10506/5826438.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05799/4641127.pdf
Administration of the estate of Robert Junkin late of Toreagh Raloo County Antrim Farmer who died 1 June 1899 granted at Belfast [9 Oct.1899] to Elizabeth Junkin of Toreagh the Widow. Effects £954 16s. 5d.
a. Mary Jane Junkin (1897)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02121/1806505.pdf
b. Margaret Hamilton Junkin (1899)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02055/1786211.pdf
2. William Junkin (c1862-aft.1901)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Raboo/Turreagh/991434/ (aunt Mary Ann McClean in household)
3. Agnes Junkin (1872) m.(1896) Thomas Hall- family
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03265/2196868.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10477/5815747.pdf
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballynure/Ballygowan/990874/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Raloo/Tureagh/189894/
There could have been other children who died young but I didn't search for any.
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Although I did find two marriages. Elizabeth Junkin (gault) 1872 to a Thomas Smyth which really can't be her. Or, an Elizabeth Jenkins to a Matthew Patterson in 1885, both in Larne. The strange thing is I can't find any combination of the Jenkins/Patterson names on the 1901 census. Anyone with any ideas of where to get info on the 1885 marriage, and out of interest who the Elizabeth is in the earlier 1872 marriage?
There are 188 marriages in Larne registration district in 1885 on Irish Genealogy.
Only 2 with groom named Matthew (Matthew Patterson to Lavinia Patterson and Matthew Forsythe to Mary Finlay.
Only 1 for a Jenkins (Alexander Clawson to Elizabeth Jenkins)
None for anyone called Junkin.
Matthew Patterson, wife Levina and family in 1901-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Lilliput_Street/958728/
Also checked GRONI's index without finding a Patterson/Jenkins marriage.
So, no idea where you found that marriage.
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Now to Elizabeth Gault, her two marriages and children-
William Junkin (c1837-1870) m.(1862) Elizabeth Gault (c1840-1900)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1862/09632/5493382.pdf
Three children registered with parents William Junkin & Elizabeth Gault-
1. Elizabeth Junkin (1865 Toreagh)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03577/2318316.pdf
2. Agnes Junkin (1867 Toreagh) m.(1889) James Moore
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03478/2277979.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10732/5912906.pdf
3. David Junkin (1869 Ballylesson, Glynn-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03364/2233743.pdf
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Glynn/Craiganboy/194859/ (David Jenkins in Gault household)
William Junkin alive Jan.1870 (registered birth of son David), dead by Jan.1872 (wife Elizabeth, a widow, remarried). Here’s the death-
William Junkin d.15 Feb.1870 Larne dist. age 33 [note: Irish Genealogy show as age 23]
1901- David Jenkins, sister Lizzie Jenkins and her illegitimate daughter Lily Smyth-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Hope_Street/995970/
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Elizabeth (Gault) Junkin (c1840-1900 Hope St. Larne), widow, m.(1872) Thomas Smyth (c1841-1894)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11294/8143310.pdf
Death of Thomas Smith (c1841-1894), farmer, Ballylesson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05953/4691784.pdf (informant son David Smith- is this stepson David Junkin?)
Probate of the Will of Thomas Smyth late of Ballylesson Glynn County Antrim Farmer who died 4 December 1894 granted at Belfast [3 Oct.1898] to Elizabeth Smyth of Ballylesson Widow. Effects £331 17s. 6d. Will dated 14 Nov.1894 mentions wife Elizabeth, children (Thomas, Isabella, Sarah, Andrew, Jane)
Death of Elizabeth Smyth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05764/4628815.pdf (note: children Lizzie and David Jenkins living Hope St. in 1901)
Children of Thomas & Elizabeth-
1. Thomas James Smyth (20 Sept.1873 Glynn-alive 1894)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03189/2169336.pdf
2. Isabella Smyth (9 June 1875-alive 1894)
3. Sarah Smyth (27 May 1877 Ballylesson, Glynn-aft.1934) m. John Blair (d.1932), mariner & harbour master
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03015/2104761.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10387/5782094.pdf (father James Smyth, farmer)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Curran_Street/995634/ (Sarah Blair, brother Andrew Smyth, sister Jane Smyth, son John Blair)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Larne/Shore_Road/196143/ (note- niece Lilly Jenkins in household)
Blair John of 2 Salisbury Terrace Curran Road Larne county Antrim retired harbour master died 5 September 1932 Administration (with Will) Belfast 15 February [1934] to Sarah Blair the widow. Effects £865 2s. 4d.
a. John Blair (1899-aft.1911).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02022/1775907.pdf
b. Thomas Andrew Blair (1906)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01733/1685048.pdf
c. Alexander McCalmont Blair (1908)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01638/1654861.pdf
d. James Blair (1910)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01553/1628016.pdf
e. Campbell Blair (1913)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01434/1588039.pdf
4. Andrew McDowell Smyth (27 Apr.1879 Ballylesson, Glynn-aft.1911), carpenter
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02923/2071024.pdf
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dock_Ward/Meadow_Street/137716/ (Andrew McD. Smyth & family)
Son Andrew-https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01552/1627648.pdf
5. Jane Smyth (5 Aug.1881 Ballylesson, Glynn-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02820/2034572.pdf
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Hi, wow, thank you for all this information. I have some of the information provided but you have made it more clear for me. I don't believe my Grandfather knew of his half-sister Lily Smyth. If he did, he did not tell my mother. We have always known of the Gault family as we occasionally visited their graves in Glynn. The Richmond name doesn't ring any bells but it is interesting that a John Hunter McNeill has appeared.
A lot to get through, very much appreciated.
Kind regards
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This witness may or may not be the Samuel Richmond father of Elizabeth Gault Jenkins/Smyth later McKinstry but it is interesting that the groom is a John McNeill (John Hunter McNeill married Sarah Smyth)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10649/5879931.pdf
Hi, I see that Sarah's father is named as William so I'm wondering what the connection is to Thomas Smyth?
Although I have come across this for the John McNeill (b - 06/03/1871), my possible gr-grandfather. Parents are a Robert John McNeill and Mary Jane McNeill formerly Hunter. Interesting!!
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03314/2214804.pdf
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Hi, I see that Sarah's father is named as William so I'm wondering what the connection is to Thomas Smyth?
Please reread both my post and the registration. Sarah's father is listed as James Smith which seems to be an error as all evidence points to it being Thomas Smyth.
Here's a bit on the McNeills- not sure what happened to them after 1901-
Robert John McNeill (c1838-1895) m.(1863) Mary Jane Hunter (c1845-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1863/09652/5500534.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05910/4677553.pdf
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Point_Street/996376/
1. Margaret Anne McNeill (1864-1865)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03609/2331490.pdf
2. Andrew McNeill (1865)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03556/2309417.pdf
3. William James McNeill (1867-27 Feb.1898 Queensland, Australia) m.(9 Dec.1889 Queensland) Norah Green (c1868-1905)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03468/2273752.pdf
Marriage index: William James McNeill (9 Dec.1889 Queensland) Norah Green
Death index: parents- Robert John McNeill & Mary Jane Hunter.
Norah McNeill, age 37, admitted 13 Sept.1905 Mackay District Hospital, died 19 Sept.1905, alcoholism & pneumonia. Numerous court appearance reposted in Mackay Mercury 1898-1905 for drunkenness and various other charges.
a. Robert Hunter McNeill (2 Apr.1890 Queensland)
b. Mary Jane McNeill (19 Oct.1891 Queensland)
4. John Hunter McNeill (1871-aft.1901) m.(1892) Sarah Smyth (d.bef.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03314/2214804.pdf (father- sawyer)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10649/5879931.pdf
5. Son (1874)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03118/2143521.pdf
6. Agnes McFerran McNeill (1877)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02981/2092210.pdf
See details of John Hunter McNeill in next post.
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4. John Hunter McNeill (1871-aft.1901) m.(1892) Sarah Smyth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03314/2214804.pdf (father- sawyer)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10649/5879931.pdf
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Mullagharn/Gillygody/1742678/ (children Mabel, William & “Daisey” with Smyth grandparents)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Mullagharn/Gillygooly/871359/ (Mabel & “Daisy” with Smyth grandmother)
a. Mabel McNeill (1893) m.(1915) William McFarland
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02308/1865309.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09820/5565729.pdf
Strabane Weekly News, 14 Aug.1915: M’Farland-M’Neill.- On _th July, at Gillygooley Presbyterian Church, by the Rev. _. Carmichael, B.A., Corporal William M’Farland, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, to Mabel M’Neill, … Gillygooley, Omagh.
i. William McFarland (1915 Dublin)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01361/1561140b.pdf
ii. Joseph Earnest McFarland (1920 Omagh)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01208/1502394.pdf
b.William Smith McNeill (1897-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02132/1810038.pdf
c. Jeanie “Daisy” McNeill (1899-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02033/1779298.pdf
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I notice on the birth record of John in 1903 the mothers maiden name was Gingles, then crossed out and Jenkins substituted. There are Elizabeth Gingles born in Larne.
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Hi All, on the name Gingles I found with interest a connection to Samuel Richmond. Presuming this is the same Samuel who died in Larne in 1903 aged 32 (Workhouse). I found a birth record for a Samuel Richmond in 1871, Ballysnod, Larne. Father Henry and mother Jane Gingles.
Now,
I have been pondering over all of the information to try and look at the possibility that John Hunter McNeill is my great-grandfather. I will start by saying that you have helped a family in New Zealand discover the correct John McNeill, brother of the Andrew McNeill who emigrated to NZ (sons of Robert John McNeill) that you have listed. The information they provided to me was John McNeill married to Ellen Wylie (father William) possibly also on Main Street, Larne. Andrew's son Tom is the DNA match to my grandfather through Tom's daughter.
I see that John Hunter McNeill is a widower on the 1901 census which I presume is the reason their children are with Sarah's parents. This started a search for the death records of Sarah and John Hunter McNeill. I presume Sarah passed away between Jeanie's birth in 1899 and the census in 1901. I have checked Family Search, Irish Genealogy and Emerald Ancestors which have all come up blank. Any thoughts?
Again, many thanks for all your help.
Kind regards