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I should be very grateful if some generous person could check up on the following marriage:
It seems that John Ribbans/Revans married Jane Parker in Mickfield in 1724. I have two alternative dates--Jul 15 and Sep 21--for the ceremony. Any details--parents, witnesses--would be welcome. John died not long after marrying, possibly the second of the two dates. He also left a will which I have not been able to locate.
Many thanks,
Geoffrey
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This is on Ancestry.
John Revans, of Debenham, & Jane Parker 21 Sep 1724
Marriages at Withersdale, 1660 to 1837
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SuffolkSue. Thanks so much You are an admirable reource.
Geoffrey
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Hello Geoffrey/Suffolk*sue,
I've just been going thru the book of marriage registers by Phillimore's I downloaded called;
Suffolk Parish Registers - Marriages - which contains marriages for these parishes;
Hoxne, Syleham,Mendham,Metfield & Withersdale starting at various dates but all upto 1837.
Unfortunately I cannot see the marriage of John Ribbans/Revans to Jane Parker anywhere.
However, I did see on the IGI a "submitted" entry for the parish of Mickfield. You'll be pleased ;D
to know that a similar Phillimore's register book I downloaded which includes Mickfield
does contain the marriage entry which you were referring to.
Hope this helps.
Alan
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Alan--Thanks for the useful confirmation.
A snippet of information I came across the other day in the Suffolk Archives that may interest you and Walter (LostRevans). It concerns a Robert Revans, who I suspect is the Robert (1639-1709) married to Hannah and father of John married to Mary Woods. Called a yeoman, he was served a bastardy order as the father of the child of Sarah Cosen on 20 April 1697, and renewed 5 October 1697; it is interesting that 1697 is the probable date of his wife's Hannah's death. Some years later (4 April 1722), the unfortunate Sarah Cosens is subject to a removal order from Framlingham to Saxtead.
Geoffrey
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Geoffrey,
You could be right, although Robert Revans would have been about 58 years of age at that time -not
impossible.
They had a son also Robert bapt.17-7-1679 Saxtead, who could also have been the father (about 18)
Interesting all the same.
I'm showing Hannah as being buried 31-7-1697 and Robert (snr) on 25-7-1709 - sourced from the
Suffolk Burial Index but there are three to choose from all Saxtead= 1-4-1667, 16-5-1680 & 25-7-1709.
Alan
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Hi Alan!
Intriguing possibilities, aren't there? What a proliferation of Roberts! I count five on my family tree and I think they are also on yours. It seems probable that the three Roberts you have helpfully found on the Suffolk burial records are the three generations: Robert, b. 1611 (who I have down for the 1667 date), Robert, b. 1639, and his son who you mention. You give his baptismal date as 17-7-1679; I have his birth date as July 17 1677, which makes him an even more likely suspect, though the term "yeoman" is perhaps more applicable to an older man. Or perhaps he died young in 1680. Or yet another Robert lurking in the background. Sarah Cosen(s) might be worth following up; it's a pity we don't know the name of her child.
Best, Geoffrey
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Hi Geoffrey,
Have sent you a PM.
Alan
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Geoffrey,
Some answers, John Revans died in 1741 and his will catalogue ref. is NCC, will register, Jarvis, 191 (check Norfolk Record Office online catalogue).
Robert Revans fathered two bastards, both named Mary, the first to Sarah Gosling in 1694 and the second to Sarah Cosens in 1697.
I've got 17-7-1677 for his son Robert.
Walter
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Hello Walter,
I'm very interested in the Will of John Revans and wonder if you have obtained a copy. I would very much like to see it, if at all possible.
His death/burial does'nt seem to be in the Suffolk Burial Index (ex SFHS)
Regarding Robert fathering two bastards, could I ask where you were able to get these records from, please?
I agree that the bapt. date of Robert, s/o Robert & Hannah, should be 1677.
Alan
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Thank you very much, Walter, for this very pertinent information. I share Alan's keen interest in John's will. I tried to get it on the internet with the details you gave, but didn't manage to obtain it--my incompetence I expect.
What is your source of the two bastardy cases? I found the second in the Suffolk Archives and may have missed the first, but I didn't find the child's sex or name recorded. I am also interested in William Darnforth/Margaret Revans' two daughters. I found both parents listed as tenants of the manor in Loder and Green's histories, and William also paid hearth tax at Felixstowe in 1674. Have you discovered anything new about Humphrey?
Another Ribbons who interests me is given in John Ridgard's recent compilation Great Framlingham in Suffolk and the Howard Dukes of Norfolk, Blaxhall Press, 2009, p. 124: John Ribbons is listed as the innkeeper of the White Lion at Framlingham in 1712; the source is the Framlingham Tithe Book of 1716.
Keep up the good work, both of you!
Geoffrey
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Hi Geoffrey,
From the Suffolk Record Office microfiche of the Mickfield parish registers:
Microfiche #2 Row 3 Image 5
Register FB 19/D1/2, Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1706-1773 (pages not numbered)
Mard
John Revans of Debenham singleman
Jane Parker of Mickfield were married
Septemr the 21st 1724
The register at this point is "mixed", i.e. the baptisms, burials and marriages are entered together in chronological order. There are no entries at all in July.
Regards,
Sue 8)
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Geoffrey/Alan,
If it's a wet afternoon perhaps you'd like to waste time on three of my outstanding queries.
1. Revans in connection with Elizabeth 1 and Duke of Anjou.
2. Anything you know about William m Mary Noller 15 Sep 1722.
3. Revans in connection with the Constable family.
Hopefully Walter
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Walter,
Sorry to say, none of the people you mention figure in my tree.
Please keep me informed of your searches as I'm interested as no doubt
Geoffrey will be as well.
No rain where I am.
Alan
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Dear Walter,
I greatly appreciate your contributions to Revans/Ribbans genealogical history, but I draw a blank on the issues you raise, two absolutely and one partially.
Please enlighten me about the possible connection with Elizabeth I and the Duke of Anjou, which on the face of it seems far-fetched. The only Duke of Anjou I know anything about is the grandson of Louis XIV who became Philip V of Spain in the early 18th Century (my academic speciality is Spanish culture); this is over a century after Elizabeth. If you give me what evidence you have, I'll try and give an opinion on it.
On Constable I know only that he was based on Sudbury, which was not very conspicuous among the Revans/Ribbans clan. Again I'd like to know more.
On William, married to Mary Noller Sep 25 1722 Woodbridge, I have him annotated, very tentatively, as possibly the son of John, b. 1671, and Mary Woods., m.1691. Even more uncertainly, as the possible second husband of Mary Humphreys; since a widower called Wlliam Revans married her on Sep 1739.
All this is very problematical, with so many Johns, Roberts and Williams around.
in particular, I should like to know more about the two Johns: 1) 1671-1709, m. to Mary Woods, and 2) his son, 1692-1741, m. to Jane Parker. He is supposed to have left a will mentioning his brothers Samuel, Thomas and Robert (but not William).
Sorry to complicate life still more. Where is your rainy home? Mine, in Providence, Rhode Island, is just recovering from a cold and snowy winter.
Geoffrey