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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: honeybuns on Thursday 10 March 11 18:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I am looking for the Plunkett brothers' names.
I am told Oliver Warren Plunkett had 4 older brothers and 2 older sisters and 1 younger sister. I am trying to find their names.
The Plunkett brothers were well known Malters that supplied to Guiness & Co Brewery in Dublin for 50 years or so. I found Plunketts worked or lived on Robert Street, Islandbridge and Portland Street but never showed their names. It allways have said Plunkett Bros or John Plunkett & Co.
Oliver Warren Plunkett used to worked with his father and brothers at Bellevue Maltings but Oliver got disowned and got him off his father's will because Oliver married Emma Brown as she was an protestant as whole Plunketts were Roman Catholics.
Would appreicate any ideas how to find plunkett brothers full names. Its believed one of them was called Randall Plunkett and his wife Eliza as I found Arthur Guiness's advertising Plunkett Bros and thanking Randall's wife Eliza for the connection between those both companies for 50 years. this was published in 1819. Randal was already dead by then.
Kerry
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Usually the best way to find siblings is to first locate the parents for one of the known children, by starting with a marriage and then following up with a search for a baptism. Given the very early dates involved in this case that may not be an easy option as early marriage records are usually lacking in details such as father's name.
If this Plunkett family were Catholic then it might be an idea to search for them in the Dublin City parish records on www.irishgenealogy.ie Further RC records for the city are due to be added later this year.
Piggot's 1827 shows a John Brown Plunket, maltster at Portland Street
Slater's 1846 show a Richard Plunket & Co. Maltsters at 21 Ardee St and a John Plunkett, maltster, 6 West Portland st
Shane
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Thanks so much Shane.
I just found out Oliver's one of brothers. John Randal Plunkett but known as Randal, he married an english lady called Eliza Anne Partington in England. John took over the Maltings business from his late father Randal. When John Randell died, his wife Eliz took over and went into partnership with John Boydell. After her death, she left a will, left the business to John boydell and left money to her children and oddly, she named one of her sons to make sure the business money being paid out to him annually as long as he doesnt get involved by taking the control of the business!
Sadly cant find any connection to Plunketts in irishgenealogy site.
There's a Randall Plunkett and his wife Eliza D'Arcy, they were possibly being Oliver's parents.
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I am wondering...
Oliver was a Roman Catholic and married a protestant Emma Brown, would Oliver convert to protestant or he still be roman catholic? Because I found this baptism record of a child Mary Evelyn Purcell Plunkett but Mary was baptised in Church of Ireland? on her record, Oliver's occupation was Malster. Mary was one of Oliver and Emma's children.
Kerry
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Hi
One of Plunket Brothers was called Allen. Oliver married Emma Warren Browne who was an English protestant. Oliver became a protestant, they had 12 children all protestant 8 survived.
Olivers parents were Randal and Eliza D'Arcy. I too would like to find out about Olivers siblings. One of his sisters married someone with the surname Spring in Dublin.
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Hi,
I just found your messages and hope to be able to help you. I am a descendent of Randal Plunkett and have quite alot of information on the family.
Randal was my great great grandfather. He married Eliza Byrne D'Arcy His son John Randal was my great grandfather. He married Cecilia Mary Reid in London. His company was called Plunkett Bros.
John Randal had as far as I know two brothers, Oliver Charles and Alan Vincent who died aged 16. He had three sisters all unmarried, Clara, Mary and Isabella.
There is another John Plunkett who I am almost sure is a brother of Randal Plunkett, He married Eliza Ann Partington (his 2nd marriage).His company was called John Plunkett and Co.
I have more information on the Plunkett and Byrne D'Arcy family and also the Spring family and would love to share any of this with you.
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Hi Deeni, I am Randal's great, great grandaughter too! I would love some more info. I am new to roots chat so dont know how to communicate personally! I think I need to post another post!! I would love to hear from you.
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Hi Deeni, I am Randal's great, great grandaughter too! I would love some more info. I am new to roots chat so dont know how to communicate personally! I think I need to post another post!! I would love to hear from you.
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Hi Norah, I'm really excited to learn we are related. John Randal Plunkett (Randal's son) had a daughter called Monica and she is my grandmother. Are you a descendant of John Randal too? If not, can you tell me how you are related? I am sure I have alot of info I can pass on to you.
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Hi Deeni, how exciting, I am Oliver Charles great grandaughter, so our grandmothers were cousins!!
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Wowo hello Deeni and Norah,
Pleased to see you two got together under same family of Plunketts!!!
I am related to the Plunketts by marriage of Oliver Plunkett and Emma Warren Browne's two children;
Claud Ralph Allan Plunkett and Mabel Evelyn Purcell Plunketts
Claud married my 2nd cousin once removed Kathleen Broadbent and Claud's older sister Mabel married Kathleen Broadbent's older brother Wilfred. So two siblings married two siblings!
The Plunketts and The Broadbents were well known rich families in Dublin.
~I would love to have more info on Oliver's siblings. I have info on Claud and Mabel's families of their own if you are interested
Kerry
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Hi Kerry, I'm really happy to hear from you. I was wondering if you would contact us as I think you were the instigator of our search for the Plunkett Bros. Norah and I have swopped quite a bit of information . You two must be 2nd cousins and I'm a bit more distant being a 3rd cousin I have quite alot of infomation on the Plunkett's but not of Oliver's descendants. But you and Norah will be able to work that out. I'll be able to tell you a little more about Randal Plunkett and the Byrne D'Arcy and Spring families. I've just written to Norah and wonder will you receive it too or should I copy it to you. I think you are more experienced using Roots than Norah and I. I'll write again. Deeni
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Re: Plunkett Family.
Randal Plunkett's father was a John Plunkett of Portland Street West, Dublin.
I found a grave in Glasnevin Cemetery which mentioned the fourth daughter of John and Mary Plunkett - Isabel Plunkett who died at Suez in Egypt on 26th March 1857 aged 40 years. I wonder what she was doing in Egypt and how she died. Any ideas?
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Hi Deeni, Kerry and Norah. My husband is the grandson of Charles Francis Purcell Plunkett whose parents were Oliver Charles and Emma Warren Brown. I believe Claude Ralph Alan Plunkett was the younger brother of Charles and emmigrated to Washington State, USA in 1924. Do you have any info to confirm that?
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Hi Janef
Is your husband son of June or Gordon? My Grandmother was one of Charle's sisters.
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I have a copy of Oliver Charles will. He mentions his children: Charles Frances Purcell; Ernest Oliver Plunkett; Pelham Arthur Stanley Plunkett; Claude Ralph Allen Plunkett; Ethel Olive Plunkett; Mabel Evelyn Plunkett and Emma Norah Plunkett. However on his death certificate it mentions the presence of his son, Herbert Plunkett. Did he have 8 children? And why is he not mentioned in the will? Unless of course he uses another name.
Norah, you are a descendant of Emma (the youngest?)and it seems Kerry is a descendant of Emma's as well. And Jane, you are a descendant of Charles (the eldest?). Iwonder if any other 2nd cousins will turn up.
I don't know much more about Oliver's side of the family, but I'd be happy to find out birth dates if necessary as I presume they were all born in Dublin.
I did have a look at his address, Springfield in Leixlip. A lovely house that is now a hotel. Leixlip is a lovely village (small town) close to Dublin.
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Hi Nora, my husband * (1948) is the first child of June. Her second son is * (1950). Gordon did not have children. Geoffrey was JuneS youngest brother and died of leukemia in his 20's. He married on his "death bed" and did not have children. I will get back to these messages at the weekend. Andrew is surprised at the links I've found:) Jane
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I found the following baptism record
Date: 15 December 1882
Area: Dublin: Church of Ireland; Parish St. Mark
Name: Mabel Evelyn Purcell Plunkett
Address: Claremont, Carrickmines
Father: Oliver Charles Plunkett
Mother: Emma Plunkett
Date of birth: 1882
I wasn't able to find any baptism record of the other children
Carrickmines
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Hi Deeni, Thanks for your info.
I have Herbert V. Plunkett born in 1880.
I was missing Ethel and I had Ernest Oliver as Oliver E - he was named that way in the 1891 Wales census (where he attended boarding school). I'm sure the will is more acurate.
If you check back to Norah's post on March 27th she says they had 12 children and 8 survived so now it looks like we have the 8.
I have Mabel's birth date as Dec 8th. Thanks for the baptism info.
Charles was baptised in Clontarf.
Do you have any idea about the name Purcell. It has cropped up quite a lot in my research. Were they another prominent Dublin family?
Does anyone have birth years for Emma and Ethel?
Jane F.