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Can anyone help me please?
My 2GTGF Edward Kenny was born in North Shields and his birth was registered in Mar qtr 1847 (Tynemouth Vol 24 Page 450). I know from his marriage certificate that his father's name was also Edward Kenny but need some help with his mother's name. From Censuses she is Mary Ann Kenny and I thought her maiden surname was King.
However, looking on FamilySearch it appears that a Mary Ann King married an Edward Kenny on 02 Sept 1855. If this is correct then it maybe another Edward Kenny as mine had a daughter called Sarah in 1845. I'm pretty sure it is the right marriage though but am wondering whether there may had been a typing error and whether they married in 1845?
Can anyone help by looking up Edward kenny's birth/baptism in 1847?
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According to family search org ,
Edward Kenny was baptised St Cuthberts ,North Shields,
24 th of Jan 1847,
mum Mary Ann dad Edward,as were his siblings,
his mother is born Scotland in the 1851 census and his father Ireland, they could have been married any where in between,
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Hi,
Thank you so much for your reply, Speedy gonzales!
I just need to sort out his mother's maiden name now. I know she is listed as being born in Scotland on 1851 and 1861 censuses but then on 1881 census she is shown as born in North Shields.
Can anyone else help with jis mother's maiden surname?
Slave
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Since his baptism does not reflect the maiden name of the mother your other recourse is to order his birth certificate.
What religion?
Janis
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Hi Janis,
St Cuthberts is a Roman Catholic church.
I thought about obtaining Edward's BC but wanted to do it more cheaply as the amount of certificates I've been buying is costing me a fortune every month. I travelled up to Durham recently and visited a Records Office for the first time and was surprised at the depth of information I obtained and certainly got more than was available on FS. That's why I was hoping someone visiting Newcastle or Woodthorn could look it up for me.
I can't seem to find some of the children of Edward Kenny and Mary Ann who are on the censuses on FS either.
Slave
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Why do you think she isnt Mary King when on Sarahs baptism notes 1845 St Cuthberts it names her father as Edward Kenny and mother Mary King,
There is more than one Mary King mentioned in the church records in North Shields just different generations,St Cuthberts to,
Maria King Kenny born 21st of October 1825 daughter of Joanni sand Anna Eddy King was baptised St Cuthberts North Shields, the 9 th of March 1867,
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Hiya,
I was confused about Edward's wife being Mary Ann King because the only marriage I could find was in 1855 yet I could find their children born years before this. I was also experiencing some difficulty in finding some of their children too but I've now had some success with that as I've realised that sometimes the parents names are in olde English with quite a few variations.
Am I reading your reply correctly in that it looks as if Mary King was baptised when she was 42 years old?
Thank you so much for your help and I'm sorry if I've caused you to waste your time unnecessarily.
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Sorry you haven't wasted my time at all, I just was wondering if you can get to Newcastle by train ,I have looked at St Cuthberts records at the Discovery in Newcastle and they do have quite a bit of information on them if I remember rightly,
I would double check for you myself ,but I wont be going until next month,
Best wishes and good luck Gillian
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I have seen adults baptised into the catholic church before ,possibly because she married a Catholic man and her children were baptised at St Cuthberts,and she just got round to it,she would want to be buried with her husband when she passed away ,wouldn't you,
I think her baptism record would be of great interest to you,
Gillian
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Hi both,
I'm not sure about the baptism - if she married in church (C of E or RC) she'd have to have been baptised before the marriage. But the good thing about Catholic baptism records is that you get mother's maiden name and the names of the god parents.
Christine
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Hi Gillian & Christine
Thank you both for your replies.
I won't be able to get to Newcastle for a while. It's such a shame I didn't look at this a couple of weeks ago as I've just spent a few days at North Shields seeing my elderly uncle. That is how I manaaged to visit Durham records Office. I didn't realise the Discovery Centre had any records as otherwise I would have visited as I love that place anyway.
I'm going to have to save up to come up again as I am in the Midlands and the train fare is pretty hefty. I'll have to put it on the backburner until I can afford to go up again.
Once again, many thanks to you both.
Julie
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The records office inside the Discovery Centre is Tyne and Wear Archives
C
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Thanks C - I'll look them up on the web and make sure I do some research so that I sort all my queries out when I do manage to get there.
Julie
I've worn myself out tonight going round in circles on all sorts of queries so I'm off to bed now.
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Mary Ann could have been baptised C of E and married in the Catholic Church - known as "mixed marriage" and later "received" into Catholic religion. Or she may not have been baptised and they married in Registry Office.
My Dad was C of E, my Mam Catholic and they married in the Catholic Church in 1940. Later, during WWII Dad "converted" and became catholic.
Patricia
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My dad C of E, married my mother RC in St Cuthberts RC in Cowpen, near Blyth in 1940. He took RC "instruction" prior to the marriage, and accepted that any children woulld be educated, brought up in the RC religion.
Moving on to the early 1950s, when my two brothers and I were sort of sloping off Sunday Mass, my father , nicknamed "Sarge", brought us to heel, saying he had promised to have us as Catholics and we had to go to church.
Smartgob me, suggested that he take us to church. He replied that he had made those promises that we would go to Mas, but never promised that he himself would go !
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Some years ago, in Northumberland Couty Record Office ( in Morpeth at the time) I browsed the "diary" of a priest at St Cuthberts.
In it he recorded his visits to the sick of the parish, and which parishers were making Easter duties etc. And he maintained a sort of census/directory of folk within the parish. He had recorded the constitution of the household of my grandfather in Bebside. Across the list of the household he had made a diagonal annotation saying "MIXED MARRIAGE" and highlighted my grannie as " PROTESTANT". This was news to my family as we all thought she was a Catholic !
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Trivia Angle
On the topic of the building/organisation in Newcastle that houses family etc records...
Some folk refer to it as " the Discovery" ( eg Gillian). Others, including Christine ( and me) call it the " Tyne & Wear Archives". Some senior Newcastle natives refer to it the " Co-op Warehouse" ( a former use of the building).
The whole building, called Blandford House, is shared by Tyne & Wear Archives, who moved in in 1976, and The Discovery Museum, moved in 1978. Both the Archives and the Discovery are under the umbrella of " The Tyne and wear Archives and Museums" which also has space in the building.
Stop it , Michael !
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Again, thanks everyone for your help and comments - it's all been really useful stuff. Michael you're a scream. I've been chuckling away at your messages - ha ha smartgob - I'm sure that's what my hubby would love to call me".
Julie
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Blandford House/Discovery Museum. The sign for Discovery Museum is so much bigger than the comparatively small one stating Blandford house. So in giving directions I'd go with the Discovery Museum. But you can tell when you are entering the Archives--the whole look changes from contemporary to early 20th century just going through the doorway.
Janis
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Going back to the baptism of the adult Mary King Kenny her parents are John and Ann,
go to Wallsend and there is a MaryAnn King ,St Peters 4Th of February 1827, she might be worth a second look,
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Thanks again guys - I'll make notes and take a look when I'm next up in geordieland.
Julie
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:) Hi Julie - we're related!
Edward Kenny (born c.1822) married Mary Ann King. According to my records, they had at least 7 children. Edward Kenny was the second, born in 1847. I'm a direct descendant of Edward's sister Ellen (the 7th and youngest). Do get in touch and we'll be able to swap notes.
My email address is: *
Regards
Danny
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