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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Holmemoss on Wednesday 09 March 11 09:26 GMT (UK)
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I have three Joseph Sandfords :
Joseph and Hannah with their children Samuel (b 1807) and Tedbar (b 1811) living at Wooldale, then Cartworth.
Joseph (wife unknown) with his son William (b1822) living at Wooldale.
Joseph (wife unknown) with his son Nathan (b 1824) living at Wooldale
I have been trying to determine if at least two are one and the same Joseph but there is nothing on the IGI. Wooldale is on the Kirkburton side of the river so does anyone have access to records from Kirkburton to try and resolve this.
Thank you.
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1841 census throws up this:
Reference HO107, piece 1277, book/folio 11/31, page 17
Cliffe, Kirkburton, Wooldale
Sandford, Joseph M 55 woollen Weaver
Sandford, Hannah F 50 "
Sandford, Martha F 22 "
Sandford, William M 20 "
Sandford, Nathan M 15 "
Sandford, Ann F 12
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I thought there could not be so many different Joseph Sandfords.
Thank you.
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Not sure whether it is of any help but I have the birth and baptism of Joseph Sandford which is
Born 20th Feb 1786
Baptised 6th April 1786
Location Lydgate Newmill
son of William Sandford and Mary Haigh
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Thank you, Wyjan, and I apologise for the delay in response but I have been away.
It is Joseph's children which are of interest but every piece of information helps, particularly when the ages in the 1841 census were rounded down.
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...back again Holmemoss. I do have an interest in the Sandford family. As I have mentioned in a previous posting (Heward)I am interested in the Mellors and the Haighs of Holmfirth/Fulstone. Amelia Haigh (1810) married into the Sandford family and this is where my first interest started. However through research it turned out that my late cousin (descendant of the Haighs)married a descendant of the Sandford family and together, quite recently his wife and I have concentrated on finding out as much of the Sandfords as we can.The information we have on Joseph is the following:-
Joseph Sandford bapt 6th Apr 1786 at Newmill married Hannah Smith possible dau of John Smith. Witnesses were Samuel Sandford ( believe to be older brother) and John Smith. They married at Kirkburton 25 Dec 1806.The only baptisms we have are :-
Samuel Sandford 25th Apr 1807 bapt at Holmfirth Wesleyan ( married my relative Amelia Haigh)
Tedbar Sandford 10th July 1811 at Holmfirth Wesleyan
I haven't managed to trace the baptisms of the other children
John 1812
Martha 1819
Mary 1820
William 1821
Nathan 1824
Smith 1828
Ann 1830
I haven't the information at hand but I think Tedbar, or his descendant another Tedbar Sandford is buried at Lydgate chapel at Newmill- janet
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Hello Janet and thank you for the information.
I have several Sandfords by marriage and have been trying to tie them altogether.
I do not have a marriage for Samuel Sandford and Amelia Haigh but their son David married three of my relatives:
Mary Ellis on 1 Jul 1855 at Kirkburton. They had one child as far as I am aware; Eliza Ann born 1857/8. Eliza Ann was buried at Upperthong on 16 Jul 1872.
Mary died (buried at Upperthong on 26 Jul 1860) and David married her sister Martha in 1860. Three children of whom I am aware:
David Henry, baptised at Holy Trinity Holmfirth on 10 Mar 1861 and buried at Upperthong on 25 Jun 1861.
Sam, born 1861/2 and buried at Upperthong on 29 Jul 1880.
Emily, born 1866/7 who married Dick Robinson in 1888.
Martha died (buried at Upperthong on 21 Jan 1867) and David then married Sophia Cartwright in 1868. Five children of whom I am aware:
James Herbert, born 1871, who married Annie Eliza Brook in 1897.
Emmaline, born 1876 and died 1885.
Edith Annie, born 1878 and died 1898.
Hannah, born 1879/80 who married Harry Gibson in 1902.
Firth, born 1881 and died 1885.
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More Sandfords in brief:
Joseph Sandford and Hannah Smith:
Son Tedbar (1811) + Ann Hinchliffe
Daughter Sarah (1836); illegitimate daughter Ann (1860) married my relative Joe Cartwright in 1881.
Daughter Lavinia (1839) + Charles Jessop; son Fred (1863) married my relative Annie Redgwick/Ridgwick in 1882.
Son Tedbar (1811) + Mary Dearnley
Son Joseph (1850) + Martha Ann Wood; daughter Annie (1878) married my relative Fred Hinchliffe in 1901.
Joseph Sandford and Hannah Smith :
Son Nathan (1824) + Lavinia Hoyle; daughter Elizabeth Ann married my relative James Cartwright in 1891.
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Thanks for the information.
David Sandford was named after Amelia Haigh Sandford's father David Haigh. I have the marriage details of Samuel and Amelia somewhere so I will find it out. Half of their family settled in the States and the other half stopped in England. Samuel Sandford settled in America but came back to Cartworth just prior to the 1871 census. His wife Amelia and his daughter Sarah travelled to the US in July of 1871 but sadly Amelia died in Kansas shortly after arriving. Her present descendants are not sure where she is buried.
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Thank you for the comments and, once again, my apologies for the delay in response. I have not been at home; alas not a holiday.
I do not have the marriage of Joseph Sandford and Hannah or Samuel Sandford and Amelia Haigh so I should very much appreciate this information if you have it to hand.
There may also be a connection between Amelia Haigh and Joseph Sandford's mother Mary Haigh. There are, however, an enormous number of Haighs in the area.
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Joseph Sandford married Hannah Smith at All Hallows Kirkburton 25th Dec 1806- the witnesses were Samuel Sandford and John Smith
Samuel Sandford married Amelia Haigh at All Hallows Kirkburton 24th May 1830.
Yes I have wondered about a connection between Mary Haigh and Amelia's family. In sheer desperation I have collected all the Haighs I can put my hands on and I am trying to connect them.I think it would be easier to try and sort out Hannah Smith!
There was a coincidence when you wrote about relatives of David Sandford. The same day I received an email out of the blue from a descendant of Amelia and Samuel Sandford. The letter came from America and it was a copy of a letter sent in March 1927 regarding the passing of Uncle Sam ( Sandford). It was written by Clara, Aunt Mary(Sandford) youngest daughter.It goes on to say.....There is Uncle David's 3 children (your cousins) Emily, Hannah and James Herbert. James is in the hospital suffering from cancer and might not last long in his world. It continues with an update of life in England whilst the other half of the family continue their lives in America.
How strange that you should mention about David Sandford then less than 12 hours later I should receive an email with this letter about the Sandfords-j
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It is a small world sometimes!
Thank you for the information on the marriages.
As to David Sandford, I believe only three of his nine children survived long enough to marry:
Emily from his marriage to Martha Ellis; she married Dick Robinson in 1888 and had four children of whom I am aware, Fred (1891/2), Lillian (1895-1897), Cora (1899/1900) and Albert (1909/10). All living at Cliff in 1911.
James Herbert from his marriage to Sophia Cartwright; he married Annie Eliza Brook in 1897. They were living in Oldham (wrong side of the Pennines!) in 1901 and there were no children in the household. I have made a note that I couldn't find them in 1911.
Hannah from his marriage to Sophia Cartwright; she married Harry Gibson in 1901 and had five children (up to 1911); Edith Mary (1901/2), Arthur (104/5), Hilda (1907/8), Anne Amelia (1908/9) and Frank (1910). They were all living in Thongsbridge in David Sandford's household in 1911.
I have no knowledge of any Sandfords who went to the USA but I have only researched those directly related.
There are a lot of Haighs. I went to school in Honley in the 1960s and there were a lot of them then; and this when people were only having two or three children, not ten. Good luck!
There was also a Sandford in the same class.