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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: baron of balham on Tuesday 08 March 11 15:12 GMT (UK)
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I am desperately seeking My great granddad, a S.Stagg (b:1860 in Yorkshire) he appears on the 1911 census living in wandsworth area. Apart from that i can not find a trace of him anywhere.
1911 Census reads,
S.Stagg Head 51 married 12 years painter and decorator, Birthplace: Yorkshire
M.A.Stagg Wife 47 married Birthplace: London
Maud Stagg Daug 25 Single Laundry London
Ellen Stagg Daug 21 Single Laundry London
Minnie Stagg Daug 5 London
J E Ellis brother in law 63 widower Gardner Middlesex
i Need to find him on earlier census to help me understand my family tree better. i am desperately looking for any ideas and answers.
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Hi & welcome to RootsChat
There is a birth registration for
Minnie May Stagg 1906 Apr-May-Jun Wandsworth Vol 1d Page 741
It might be worth investing in the birth certificate as this should show her parents names in full.
It looks as though this was a second marriage for one of the parents, about 1899
Linda
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Just to confuse things
1901 - RG13/644/77/43
44 Bensham Lane Croydon
John E Ellis Head M 53 Greengrocer Shopkeeper Employer at home Southgate, Mx
Elizageth Ellis Wife M 48 Toddington Bed
Mary A Stagg Sister Wid 38 Domestic Charwoman worker Deptford Kent
Hannah Stagg Niece S 18 Kentish Town Lon
Ellen Stagg Niece S 10 Cattle Mkt Islington
Phillip Maynard Nephew S 20 Grrengrocers Asst worker at home Burwash Sussex
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on my nans birth certificate the name of her father is william george stagg deceased, in fact he died in 1893 and she was born in 1905.
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Hmmm, look like a tricky bunch! What do you think about this lot on the 1891 census at Corporation Street, Islington at RG12; Piece: 162; Folio 141; Page 25
There's a daughter called Mary A born in Deptford, an unspecified 'relation' called William G Stagg and a couple of grandaughter's - could this be Hannah Stagg's birth?
Births Dec 1883
Bligh Maud Hannah Pancras 1b 99
Edit: Yes, that's them - in 1881 Charles and Hannah Bligh are living next door to John and Eliza Ellis with Charles Bligh junior shown as John Ellis's brother in law. So I think John Ellis was actually Mary Ann Stagg's brother in law, not her brother.
Ermy
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Hmm mysterious... I wonder if Mary Ann Stagg (presumably nee Ellis) set up home with William's brother S Stagg? Who may or may not have been your Nan's father.
Jan ;)
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mary ann maiden name is Bligh
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Mary ann Bligh sister married an ellis
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this is where i am struggling wandering if S Stagg is a relation to william george stagg.
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Figment of Mary Ann's imagination more like - did S Stagg actually sign the 1911 census form? Did Mary Ann Bligh actually marry William Stagg? Given that John Ellis isn't her brother at all but he's still living with the family I'd be more inclined to suspect him - when did his wife, Eliza, die?
Ermy
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Mary ann Bligh sister married an ellis
Thanks for that.
So do you have her marriage to William George? If of course she married him.
Jan ;)
Interesting thoughts there ermy - I was just wondering if S Stagg existed but if he didn't why not just call him William George as she did on the birth certificate 12 years after his death? ???
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This is very weird..
Baptisms Islington St Lukes West Holloway
Born 22 Sep 1883 baptised 5th Nov 1890 Hannah Maud Bligh parents Charles and Mary Ann 2 Corporation St Gardener
Born 24 June 1890 baptised 5th Nov Emily Elizabeth Stagg parents William George and mary Ann 2 Corporation St Groom
So is Hannah Stagg in 1901 actually Mary Ann's sister rather than daughter? And is Emily the Ellen in 1901? And if Mary Ann is saying she is married in 1890 why is she unmarried in 1891??
Jan ;)
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Mmmm, good question Jan. What's with the 12 years married bit tho', that's surely a fib as she's shown as widowed in 1901 (also a fib, probably ::) ) She's unmarried in the 1891 census too, apparently, William dies in 1893 and I can't see a likely marriage for them. I think she's just given her father's name for Maud Hannah's baptism for the sake of 'respectability' so obviously has no qualms about fibbing to officials of all kinds ;D Maud definitely shown as grandaughter to Charles in the 1891 census.
Ermy
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Baptism St Pancras Old Church
Jul 26th 1896 born Jul 24th 1896 Frederick Stagg parents William George and Mary Ann St Pancras Workhouse Groom
Jan ;)
Fib after fib after fib :D
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Well, well, William risen from the grave a second time by the look of it ;D
baron, do you have the actual death certificate for William Stagg, take it it is this one you were referring to?
Deaths Mar 1893
Stagg William George 29 Islington 1b 240
Wonder if this is Elizabeth's death?
Deaths Mar 1910
ELLIS Elizabeth 57 Wandsworth 1d 341
It seems she and John didn't have any children of their own ...
Ermy
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the 1911 census was signed by S Stagg.
No Proof Mary Married William George Stagg, but he appears as the deceased father on Ellen stagg (daug) on her marriage certificate in 1911.
william George Stagg also appears as father on minnie may stagg birth certificate 1906
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Oh dear
Burial St Pancras Parish Chapel
25th Sep 1896 Frederick Stagg 2mo 76 Peckwater St :'(
Jan ;)
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i know william george stagg died in 1893, in islington 1b 240 march qtr
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Hmm, looks like we're travelling over old ground http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,518823.15.html
Ermy
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Baptism St Pancras Old Church
Jul 26th 1896 born Jul 24th 1896 Frederick Stagg parents William George and Mary Ann St Pancras Workhouse Groom
Jan ;)
Fib after fib after fib :D
Are you sure its the right family? Wasn't there another stagg family in Wandsworth about the same time/age? Its all very strange th
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Baptism St Pancras Old Church
Jul 26th 1896 born Jul 24th 1896 Frederick Stagg parents William George and Mary Ann St Pancras Workhouse Groom
Jan ;)
Fib after fib after fib :D
Are you sure its the right family? Wasn't there another stagg family in Wandsworth about the same time/age? Its all very strange
Well the father's name and occupation is the same so I assume this is the same Mary Ann
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Hmmm I s'pose you're right
BUT
William & Mary ???(yes Mary ann) there were so many and what with all the fibs!! :o
Unless there are missing records still to be brought out then I'm sure we will all kick ourselves ::)
Another mystery to solve!
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i total agree with lei's post.
As anyone found any records of WG Stagg's daughters
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which records are you talking about baron?
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baptism records
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As anyone found any records of WG Stagg's daughters
Only these two which I posted back on page 1 - as Hannah Maud was registered and baptised Bligh she may not have been William's
Baptisms Islington St Lukes West Holloway
Born 22 Sep 1883 baptised 5th Nov 1890 Hannah Maud Bligh parents Charles and Mary Ann 2 Corporation St Gardener
Born 24 June 1890 baptised 5th Nov Emily Elizabeth Stagg parents William George and mary Ann 2 Corporation St Groom
The only other baptism I can see with parents William George a groom and Mary Ann is the Frederick who died and for whom there is also a St Pancras Workhouse entry where only the mother's name is given.
Jan ;)
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And there is this one
Born in Wandsworth Workhouse 6th May 1906 female mother Mary Ann Stagg
who is presumably Minnie
Jan ;)
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I have a picture of Minnie May Stagg wedding with Mary Ann Stagg (nee Bligh) in it. Do you have this?.
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Hi I have No Photos of Any of my ancestors weddings, would it be possible to email me a copy thanks.
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hi there i am a stagg and im trying to find history of my family i dont know were to start ?
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