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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Lodger on Monday 07 March 11 22:58 GMT (UK)
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Taking a leaf out of Sancti's book, I am posting a list of headstones from Cambusnethan churchyard at Greenhead Road (not the ancient burial ground at Kirkhill).
I have photographs of each stone, if anyone requires a copy please contact me by PM and include your email address.
The names in upper-case are the principal surnames on the stone, (Usually Husband + Wife) the names in lower-case are place names.
Where there is only one surname I have tried to add at least one Christian name in brackets.
There are a few from the old private walled burial ground adjacent to the churchyard, this dates from 1861 +.
ALLAN & GORDON.
ALLAN, HAMILTON & STEEL.
BAILLIE & REID.
BLACK & DALZIEL.
BOND, EASTON & SOMMERVILLE - Holytown.
BRAND & GOURLEY (Private Burial Ground).
BROWN (Rev Peter) & SMITH.
BROWNLEE & DAVIDSON.
BROWNLEE & GARDENER.
BROWNLEE & RUSSELL.
BROWNLEE & YOUNG
BROWNLIE & GOURLAY.
CAIRNS, POLLOCK, McCREADIE & McKENDRICK.
CALVIN & LAW.
CLARKSON & BUCHANAN.
CLELLAND & WALKER.
COOPER & HAMILTON.
CUNNINGHAM & KENNEDY.
CUNNINGHAM & PRENTICE.
CURRIE, HILL & RUSSELL.
CURRIE, THOMSON & THOM.
DALZIEL & BRUCE.
DALZIEL & CALDERHEAD.
DALZIEL & DENIVAN.
DALZIEL, MARSHALL & HODGE.
DEAN & STINTON.
DICKSON & NICOL.
DOUGLAS & BROWNLEE.
DOUGLAS & STALKER.
DUNCAN & LIGHTBODY (Private Burial Ground).
DUNN & GIBB.
EASTON & LINDSAY.
ELLIS & JAMIESON.
FERGUSON & BROWNLIE.
FINDLAY & SMITH.
FINLAY & McKINLAY.
FORREST & McNICOL.
FRASER, BINNING, GILCHRIST & MARSHALL.
FRENCH, FINLAY & LORIMER.
GARDENER & BLACK.
GIBB (Robt & Wm).
GOLD & MORTON.
GOLD, WEIR & KILPATRICK.
GOURLAY & ANGUS.
GRAHAM & STORRIE.
GRAY, DOUGLAS & DOBSON.
HADDOW & MILLAR.
HALLIDAY & BROWNLIE.
HANNAH & SMELLIE.
HASTIE, BROWN & DALLAS.
HEPBURN & DOUGLAS.
HEPBURN & THOMSON.
HEPBURN, LOUDON & GROGAN.
HEPBURN, SCOTT, STEWART, DAWSON, HAMILTON, GRAY & NELSON.
HUTTON & McMURTRIE.
INGLES, SMITH & HAILSTONES.
INGLIS & MARSHALL.
JACK, WATT & LINDSAY.
JACKSON (Douglas).
KENNEDY & PATERSON.
KERR & BRAIDWOOD.
KIDD & TAYLOR.
KILPATRICK & DARLING.
KILPATRICK & WATSON.
LAW & LEEPER.
LEIGHTON (David) - Coltness
LIDDELL (John, Margaret & Thomas).
LIGHTBODY & DOUGLAS.
LIGHTBODY & YETTS.
LINDSAY, STEELE & SOMMERVILLE.
LITTLEJOHN & PATERSON.
LITTLEJOHN & REID.
LITTLEJOHN & ROBERTSON.
LITTLEJOHN & YOUNG.
LOUDON & MAIN - Stane.
LOUDON & STEWART - Bonkle.
LOUDON, CUNNINGHAM & ELDER.
LOUDON, STEEL & SMITH.
MAIN & GIBB (Private Burial Ground).
MANN & HAMILTON.
MARSHALL & RUSSELL - Kingshill.
MARSHALL, BARCLAY & HOGG.
MARTIN & BURNS.
McALPINE & FRENCH.
McCARTNEY & CUNNINGHAM.
McCORMICK & JOHNSTON.
McDONALD & McFARLANE.
McINTYRE (Rev John).
McKINLAY & McNEIL.
McLEAN (David & Sarah).
McLEAN & ADAMSON.
McLEOD & CRAWFORD.
McQUEEN - Stonehouse moor.
McQUEEN, NICOL, HAMILTON & THOMSON (Private Burial Ground).
MILLER & WILSON (Private Burial Ground).
MILLER (Corp J WWI).
MONTGOMERIE & NICHOLSON - Garrionhaugh.
MORTON & GARDNER.
MORTON & GOLD.
MORTON (James).
MUIR & DOUGLAS.
MUIR, HASTIE & CLEGHORN.
MUIRHEAD & BARR.
MUIRHEAD & HASTIE.
MUIRHEAD & WEIR.
NAISMITH & CALLAN.
NAISMITH & CULLAN.
NEILSON & BELL.
PATERSON & DALZIEL.
PETTIGREW & REID.
PETTIGREW (Thomas).
PETTIGREW, FORREST & GIBSON.
PRENTICE & TORRANCE.
PRENTICE, BLACK, GILCHRIST & DENT.
PRENTICE, CUNNINGHAM & KENNEDY.
REID & GARDNER.
RENWICK & LINDSAY.
RITCHIE & RODGERS.
ROBB & GIBB.
ROBERTSON (James & Wm, preacher).
RODGER & STEWART.
RUSSELL - Cleghorn mill (Private Burial Ground).
RUSSELL & INGLES.
RUSSELL & THOMSON.
SCOTT & ROBERTSON.
SCOTT, GRAY, BROWNLIE & EGLINGTON - Springhill.
SKEAD & BROWNLEE.
SMELLIE & CLEGHORN.
SMELLIE & GARDNER.
SMELLIE (Hugh & Wm).
SMITH & BROWNLIE.
SMITH & HAMILTON
SMITH & WYLLIE.
SMITH, HAMILTON & BROWNLIE - Crindledyke.
SNEDDON (James, manager Camnethan colliery).
SOMMERVILLE, LEGGATE & LINDSAY.
SPROT & CAMPBELL.
STARK & NOMMO.
STARK & PRENTICE.
STEEL & HADDOW.
STEIN (Children of Andrew).
STEVENSON & MORTON.
STORRIE & THOM.
STORRIE & WYLIE.
TAIT, THOMSON & RAY.
TAYLOR & HAMILTON.
TELFER & CORBETT.
THOMSON & GIBB.
THOMSON & STARK.
THOMSON, CLELLAND & RUSSELL.
TURNER & McCULLOCH.
TWEEDEL & GILCHRIST.
WATSON & ALLAN.
WATSON & ANDERSON.
WATSON & CATHCART.
WATT & EASTON.
WATT & PETTIGREW.
WEIR & WADDLE - Stewarton.
WHITE (Wm & Robt).
WIER & ELDER.
WILSON & McEWAN.
WYLIE & SOMMERVILLE.
WYLIE & WALLACE.
WYLIE, CAMPBELL & BROWN.
WYLIE, NELSON & McHUTCHESON.
YOUNG & LITTLEJOHN.
YOUNG & REID.
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This is a very nice offer. I'm not ready to trouble you for a photo, but I have been searching for the burial place of Margaret/Maggie STEELE (ms BARCLAY) THOMSON, born 1851 in Hamilton and married 1877 in Cambusnethan.
She would not be buried with her husband or children since they all emigrated from Scotland shortly after her death (age 52) on 23 January 1904 at Calderwood Castle (husband John Thomson was head gardener there). She is not buried with her husband's people in the Dalserf churchyard.
Perhaps she was buried with some of her Cambusnethan people. Parents were Margaret Steele and William Barclay. Siblings were Samuel, Mary, William, John and Matthew Barclay.
Can you tell me if any of your listed Barclay, Steele or Thomson families have a stray Margaret/Maggie on the headstone?
Thanks and regards, Mary Ellen
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Hi Mary Ellen,
There is a gap in the Cambusnethan burial records between 1901 - 1906, so it isn't possible to search for your ancestor. Nothing shows up on the monumental inscriptions either. There is no sign of her parents or any of her siblings, so perhaps they were interred someplace else. Have you tried East Kilbride?
Good luck,
Lodger
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Thank you, Lodger. Too bad about the gap in the records. I've tried everything I can but unfortunately the MI booklets are mainly pre-1855 and South Lanarkshire Council is not responding. I believe I also set Sancti on her trail in case he runs across her.
It's an odd situation with her dying at Calderwood Castle. Chris Ladds advises that there were no burials there. I am assuming that with a position as head gardener at the castle and four grown and married daughters that there would have been money for a headstone somewhere. I don't suppose they cremated in those days, did they? If they did, they could have brought poor Margaret's ashes with them to America.
Thanks again, Mary Ellen
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Mary Ellen the first Crematoria in Scotland was opened in 1895, the Western Necropolis in Glasgow.
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Oh, thanks, lud!
Now I have another string to pull on. It's never "over," is it?
Mary Ellen
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Hi Mary, This is Chris Ladds, the historian you have corresponded with recently.
I found this whilst googling.
I am very sure they were not buried at Calderwood Castle, but I do have some inclines as to where to look. Calderwood Castle was very close to High Blantyre, but still fell within Kilbryde Parish. Technically they would be buried in the same Parish they worship. If it was not East Kilbride Old Parish Church Graveyard, then it would be the newer graveyard called East Kilbride Cemetary which is near Markethill Road on the north side of East Kilbride. Alternatively they may be buried in High Blantyre as the church was much nearer, so High Blantyre Parish Church, or other cemetaries in High Blantyre would be your best bet.
Otherwise they may have been buried where they originated from, although this is REALLY unlikely. I also doubt they were cremated. It was not the East Kilbride thing to do, or the Glasgow thing to do for that matter. Even a journey with a coffin to Glasgow from East Kilbride would have been very unusual, even for respected servants.
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I have scrutinized all known maps of the old estate for a few years now, and even surveyed the entire area for my own maps, I can assure you that if there is a burial ground on Calderwood Estate (other than the Maxwell's mausoleum), then it would have been top secret. Being no need for this measure it's safe to say they are not buried anywhere in Calderwood or St Leonards.
Having said that, it was not unusual for people to be buried in rural situations, close to a dwelling/farm, especially if the area was of great beauty and wild to begin with. This was certainly the case for where they worked. I doubt this is what happened though.
It's certainly a mystery.
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Hello again, Chris, and many thanks for the additional guidance. I have absolute trust in your assertion that she is not buried at Calderwood (at least not officially).
I will attempt to search in the other directions you suggested, but am a little stymied because South Lanarkshire Council is not responding to a previous request and I doubt I'll find anything much for 1904 in the MI booklets.
I do have the booklet for High Blantyre Auld Kirk and Kirkyard (nothing) and will see what else is available to purchase on line. And then I will nag the Council again.
By the way (a little off-topic), I have traced John Thomson's sons by his second marriage to their deaths in the 1980's in San Francisco, California. 1932 records there indicate they were a butcher and a fireman. What a shame those genes went to waste! Am trying to find their descendants and will surely let you know if I do, especially if they have anything related to John Thomson's time at Calderwood Castle.
Best regards, Mary
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I will try to see if I can get further contacts that you could use. The graves may be recorded in unnoficial surveys or lists compiled by history groups etc... :-)
I think 1904 may be too late for them to be in EK old parish Church kirk, so I think the later East Kilbride Cemetary is very likely.
kind regards
Chris
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The cemetary opened in 1904, and records are available in it of the graves there. I will try to see if I can source a phone number.
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Wonderful, Chris! By the way I think we may be rudely hijacking Lodger's thread. Let's go back to email (*). Perhaps we'll get enough of general interest to start another thread.
Mary
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Appologies Lodger, I only stumbled upon this by email and felt compelled to reply. I will correspond with Mary seperate on this matter. thanks.
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Hi Lodger
Where in Glasgow area is the Cambusnethan churchyard headstones?
Grave sites before 1860 - are they located at the same cemetry?
Also, Blackhall, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire - where can I locate this place as shown in my Barrie family baptism records in early 1800's?
I am visiting Glasgow area in early September 2011 and would like to find the above.
Scotsheritage
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It is in Wishaw on the road to Newmains
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Thank you.
Is that Cambusnethan Old Parish Church, Coronation St, Wishaw as shown on Google maps?
Do you know where Blackhall, Cambusnethan is located? It might be an old name of a farm or a village in this area?
:D
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What date is it mentioned in?
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All the children of John Barry and Mary Forrest were born in Blackhall, Cambusnethan. First child Margaret 1796 and last child shown in Blackhall Elisabeth 1808.
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Hi Lodger
Have just read your post re Cambusnethan Churchyard Headstone Pictures and would very much appreciate you forwarding the following:
DALZIEL & BRUCE (JAMES & JANET)
ELLIS & JAMIESON (ROBERT & ANNE)
HANNAH & SMELLIE (GEORGE & ISABELLA)
MORTON & GARDNER (GAVIN & JANET)
REID & GARDNER (ROBERT & EUPHEMIA)
SMELLIE & CLEGHORN (WILLIAM & MARION)
SMELLIE & GARDNER (WILLIAM & AGNES).
My Email address is (*)
Many Thanks for your trouble
Regards
Janet
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Hi there,
I saw the name Mckinlay- McNeil ( Great great grandfather) as one of the gravestones you have a picture of . Could you please send me the picture of this gravestone.
Thanks very much
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
You just need to make a couple more posts on the main forum before you can use the Private Message service to send your email via a PM to Lodger.
Monica
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Hi Mary Ellen
I don't know if these are your relations but Bent Cemetery Burial records 1853-1949 show the following:
Barclay, Margaret Steel (sic), died 25 April 1869, burial 28 April 1869, Wife of William Barclay, Ferniegair
Thomson, Margaret Steel (sic), age 65, died 26 August 1873, burial 30 August 1873, relict of Dr. Thomson, Wishaw
Barclay, Samuel, burial 19 May 1875, Ferniegair
Barclay, Mary, 60, burial 16 October 1865, Paton's Land, Ferniegair
Barclay, Mary, died 22 April 1872, burial 25 April 1872, Widow of J. McKinlay, Mason, Almada Street
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Thanks very much, Rodeo, for remembering my Margaret Steele Barclay Thomson. My great-grandmother by that name died in 1904, but I am going to follow up on these individuals since I have not had much luck with further details on her family. Your first entry could be her parents. Also, she did have a brother, Samuel, so maybe your post is my "big break" in that brick wall. That would be even better than finding where my g-grandmother is buried!
Would you please tell me the location of Bent Cemetery? Ferniegair?
Will gratefully report any breakthroughs. Mary Ellen
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The McKinlay - McNeil stone has a simple inscription -
"1845 Erected by James McKinley in memory of his spouse Mary McNeil who died 11th December 1844 aged 25 years".
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Re: McKinlay & McNeil.
According to the burial records the following are all interred in that plot -
MARY McKINLAY. aged 16 years, interred 3rd September 1886.
WILLIAM McKINLAY. Aged 65 years, interred 31st March 1895.
MARGARET McKINLAY. Aged 59 years, interred 31st May 1895.
EDWARD McKINLAY. Aged 74 years, interred 29th March 1906.
Hope this helps a little.
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Thanks very much, Rodeo, for remembering my Margaret Steele Barclay Thomson. My great-grandmother by that name died in 1904, but I am going to follow up on these individuals since I have not had much luck with further details on her family. Your first entry could be her parents. Also, she did have a brother, Samuel, so maybe your post is my "big break" in that brick wall. That would be even better than finding where my g-grandmother is buried!
Would you please tell me the location of Bent Cemetery? Ferniegair?
Will gratefully report any breakthroughs. Mary Ellen
Bent cemetery is near the centre of Hamilton and Ferniegair is on the outskirts of Hamilton on the road to Larkhall, quite near Chatelherault country park
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Thanks, Sancti. I'll pull on those threads to find (hopefully) more Barclays and Thomsons for my tree. Mary Ellen
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Hi Mary Ellen
Eureka! Your great grandmother is interred in Bent Cemetery, Hamilton. I don't know how I missed this entry.
Thomson, Margaret, age 52, date of burial 27 January 1904, Calderwood Castle
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Rodeo - I cannot tell you how thrilled I am with your discovery! It has been a frustrating search with me being so far away from Scotland. A lot of people have tried to help, with no success.
No only have you found her, but her presence in Bent Cemetery validates the connection with the others you mentioned. I'll have a busy time ahead filling in a lot of blanks in my Steel(e)/Barclay/Thomson branch.
Thank you so very much, Mary Ellen
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Rodeo I have a lair plan for Bent cemetery do you have a lair and section number?
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Hi Sancti
I just knew that YOU would be the one kind enough to send Mary Ellen a photo of her great grandmother's grave. You're such a treasure!
Unfortunately, however, there are no lair numbers included in the Bent Cemetery burial records I have. She'll have to contact South Lanarkshire Council. In the past, I've corresponded with Ellen Millar, who has been extremely helpful, at the following email address:
Ellen.Millar[replace with 'at' symbol]southlanarkshire.gsx.gov.uk
Many thanks, Sancti.
All the best,
Rodeo
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Sadly many of the older headstones in Bent cemetery are lying face down but if Mary gets a lair location I will check it out
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Hi Mary Ellen
If you contact South Lanarkshire Council to obtain the lair number of your great grandmother's grave, Sancti will very kindly send you a photo of the headstone.
It will facilitate your further genealogical research, as you say, knowing that your relations resided in Hamilton and environs. Please let me know if I can help you with further Bent Cemetery look-ups.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Rodeo and Sancti - I'm on it! Will advise if I come up with a lair number from Lanarkshire Council. Being the weekend it may take some time. You are both being incredibly helpful.
Best regards, Mary Ellen
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Rodeo (I'm getting greedy now!) Since you have found Margaret Thomson and her mother Margaret Steel Barclay, would you please check your Bent Cemetery records for the latter's parents -James Steel and Margaret Clark.
I assume since you didn't mention him that William Barclay, (husband of Margaret Steel Barclay and father of Margaret, Samuel and Mary) is not listed in the Bent Cemetery records, but if there are any more Barclay's or Steel's, or Clarks for that matter, I'd like to have them also. My tree is growing quickly.
Gratefully, Mary Ellen
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Hi Mary Ellen
I had another look for your Barclays and found the following:
Barclay, William, age 66, interred 7 Sept 1889, Old Farm, Lowwaters
Barclay, William, age 64, interred 14 Dec 1912, Hamilton Combination Poorhouse
Barclay, William, age 65, interred 18 Feb 1920, 9 Saffronhall Crescent
Barclay, Grace, age 7, died 16 Dec, interred 19 Dec 1871, Daughter of William Barclay,
Ferniegair
More to follow
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Hi Mary Ellen
Below are records for the surname Barcley (alternative spelling):
Barcley, Agnes, age 39, died 30 April 1863, interred 6 March 1863, wife of John CLARCKE (sic) of Cross Basket
Barcley, Ann, age 77, died 4 March 1863,interred 6 March 1863, Mother of William BARCLEY
Barcley, Grace, age 17, died 6 Jan 1863, interred 8 Jan 1863, Daughter of Jean BARCLEY
Barcley, James, age 51, died 8 Sept 1862, interred 12 Sept 1862, Portland Place
Barcley, Jean, age 40, died 23 Nov 1865, interred 25 Nov 1865, Wife of Robert BARCLEY
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Below are some Thomsons that look like possible relations:
Thomson, Mary Paton, age 37, died 30 Nov 1869, interred 6 Dec 1869, Wife of J.W. Thomson, draper
Thomson, William Pryde, age 68, interred 17 Aug 1927, Wylie St.
Thomson, David, no age cited, interred 12 Oct 1877, Ferniegair
Cheers,
Rodeo
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These are the only likely records for James and Margaret STEEL/STEELE/STEELL:
Steel, James, no age cited, interred 26 Oct 1894, 14 Avon St, Hamilton
Steel, James, age 61, interred 12 Dec 1903, Poorhouse
Steell (sic), James, age 35, died 8 Jan 1868, interred 10 Jan 1868, Merchant, Church St, Hamilton
Steel, Margaret, age 80, interred 14 Nov 1882, 1 St. John's Lane, Hamilton
Cheers,
Rodeo
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I wonder if the Moderator would allow me to begin a new thread entitled "Cambusnethan Churchyard headstone pictures". That way I wouldn't have to check this thread every time I get an email telling me there is a new post?
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Sent you a PM, Lodger :)
Monica