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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Cosbygp on Sunday 06 March 11 20:41 GMT (UK)
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I would be very grateful if someone could lookup a birth/baptism record at the above church. I'm hoping this is the correct church, I couldn't find mention of any other church in Seaton Sluice.
It is for Robert Smith - in the last half of 1875 or first quarter of 1876.
I hope that isn't too vague. As you can imagine, there are a few Robert Smiths so I am hoping to find which is the right one in the parish records.
Thank you.
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Any other clue ,parents or census information might help,
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Hi Cosbygp,
Welcome to RootsChat !! :) :)
Rather you than me, but I can only see one family by the name of Smith, with a son called Robert who claim to be born in Seaton Sluice in the last two census's. The names of his parents are James and Elizabeth.
Not a lot of help with the baptism I'm afraid, but fingers crossed.
Kindest regards,
Pels.
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Parents are Robert Smith and Margaret ?? The 1881 census states that Robert was born in Seaton Sluice and is aged 5. At this point they are living in Hartley. On all but the 1901 census is his birthplace listed as Seaton Sluice.
There are three births registered in the Tynemouth district for children named Robert Smith in the last half of 1875 and the first quarter of 1876. I am hoping that one of these is the Robert on the 1881 census and that there is a record of his baptism.
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Oh and thanks for the welcome Pels.
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I am so sorry, the welcome was the only thing of any use ! :-[ :-[
It isn't any consolation to you, but I've found them now, I put in the wrong year !
Pels. :(
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Hi Cosbygp
Welcome from me, too
Where did you get the reference to St. John's, Seaton Sluice? It doesn't get a mention on genuki so I can't tell whether the records are at the county archives or not.
Christine
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Cosbygp,
Seaton Sluice and Hartley communities lay within the "township" of Hartley, one of the eight "townships" that made up the Parish of Earsdon. Parish Church ( Anglican) was St Alban's.
In that era ( i.e.circa 1875/6) There was an Anglican church in Seghill ( also within bounds of Earsdon Parish) dedicated to the Holy Trinity.
And St Cuthberts ( Anglican) in Blyth ( also with Earsdon Parish).
RC church in Blyth dedicated to Holy Virgin and St Wilfred.
Like Christine I don;t think there is a St John's in vicinity.
One of Newcastle's ( about 10 miles distant) parish churches is dedicated to St John !
Michael
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Hi all
Thanks for your responses.
I found reference to St.Johns at the address below.
http://www.delavalparish.org.uk/stpauls.html
I have now found it at Genuki at the address below.
http://www.bpears.org.uk/genuki/NBL/Earsdon/ChurchRecords.html
However, the latter seems to suggest that there is only marriage records from 1965. Is this the case? Would St.Alban's be where children were baptised?
I see that St.Albans in Earsdon seems to be the main church in this area.
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Cosbygp,
Yes, St Alban's was the " mother" church for the whole territory of the Parish of Earsdon. And Seaton Sluice and Hartley communities within that territory.
In early days St Albans was the only C of E church within terrotory. Then as populations grew and moved "chapels of ease" were established to save folks shoe leather. Eventually these chapels got their independence from the mother church.
I deliberately threw at you only C of E churches that were operating in the era of the birth of your target.
And that takes care of C of E business. However if the family were not C of E, then churches of other religious denominations were available both within and outside of the Parish bounds.
I notice a church dedicated to St Paul was in the Seaton Sluice, but in modern times.
And in about 1886 a C of E church, in Backworth was dedicated to John the Baptist. Backworth at the time lay within the Parish of Eardson, about mile and a half west of Eardson. But for folk from Seaton Sluice the journey to the Parish church in Earsdon village would have been shorter than hike to St John's Backworth !
Michael
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Thanks Michael.
I presume then that the likliest place for Robert's baptism is St.Alban's then.
Do you know if anyone has access to these records or where I ould get hold of them?
i think they would come in useful. I have a lot of ancestos from this area and now presume that a good deal of them would have used St.Albans. I know that I have at least one of my line buried there.
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The appropriate GenUKI website pages explain where the records of each church are accessible. St Albans records available in Northumberland County Record Office @ Woodhorn ( you might have to sweatheart C-side Christine)
and also in Tyne & Wear Archives @ Newcastle.
That is assuming your family were Anglicans.
A very very handy web page>>>>
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/nblmap.html
an interactive nparish maps that leads to the A-Z of each parish- head for "Church Records" sections.
Michael
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Is that me volunteered again, Michael? ;)
I can check this one out on Wednesday - fortunately Earsdon records are legible at this time - which is more than can be said for the earlier ones!
Once you get back to about 1844, Cosby, the BTs are online so you can use these to check whether your ancestors are there or not.
Christine
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That's great, thank you.
Thanks all for the info, I am really grateful.
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I hate being the bearer of bad news but I couldn't see a Robert Smith baptised in Earsdon in your time scale. I checked through to the end of 1878 in case they were a little late with the baptism but no luck.
I also checked out Seghill - they just might have gone through Seaton Delaval to Seghill church but, alas, they didn't.
And for good measure I looked at St. Cuthbert's Blyth but no luck there either.
Sorry
Christine
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That is bad news indeed!
Nevermind. I suppose I'll have to request the Robert Smith birth certs till I find the right one.
Thank you very much for looking.
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Christine I am sure you have probably seen this ,
Robert and Margaret Smith have a daughter,Mary Hannah Smith baptised 20 th of May 1879,born March 21 st 1879,Seaton Delavel,
Familysearch,
of course I don't know if they are the parents of Robert Smith
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Hi Radcliff
Not sure about Mary Hannah, she doesn't appear on the 1881 census.
On the 1881 we have:
Robert Smith aged 39 - Bottle maker
Mgt Smith aged 38
Thomas Smith aged 12.
John Smith aged 8.
Robert Smith aged 5.
Mgt Smith aged 2.
Arch Smith aged 3 months.
It states that all of them were born in Seaton Sluice. I have found Archibald Smith's birth on Free BMD so I could at least request that to get a bit more info.
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Gillian,
Although Seaton Sluice was/is only about a mile and a half from the village of Seaton Delaval, us Northumbrians ( at least the south-easteners) weren't as good walkers as you Cumbrians. The men liked to live on top of their work. And Robert Smith, a bottle maker, lived in Seaton Sluice, almost "within" the Lord/Lady Delaval's glassworks, and probably within a glassworks cottage ! There were no glassworks in Seaton Delaval
Cgp. The 1881 census page( ref 5089-38-13) which included your Smiths, had been nicely completed by J J O'Donovan across the top to show that the family were ...
In the Village of Seaton Sluice, within the "township" of Hartley, within the Parish of Earsdon.
Michael
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Hi Gillian,
No I didn't see that one - I was specifically looking for a Robert in the timeframe given and only looked to the end of 1878.
What church was she baptised in?
Cosby,
If you're sure about Archibald then it would be better to get his cert than take a chance on one of the Roberts - that's an expensive way to go.
Personally I only buy a certificate if I absolutely have to and we're not done searching yet!
Christine
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Yes it certainly can get expensive ordering the certs.
Well at least there is still hope and, if all fails, I can still take this line further with Archibald's cert.
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I've looked at that Seaton Delaval record on family search now but it seems a bit odd to me.
I know it's extracted so should be fine but it has Seaton-Delaval hyphenated and only covers 1875 -1884. The only churches I know of in that area at that time were non-con and usually family search tells you if that is the case.
Are you there, Michael, any ideas?
Looking at all the Smiths included in these records only one baptism is to a Robert and Margaret (second name Elizabeth). Definitely none of the children who show up on the census!
Christine