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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: bendywendy on Saturday 05 March 11 01:17 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I have these addresses from census info..
1871 6 John Street, Westoe, South Shields ... cannot find this street
1881 22 Havelock Street, Westoe, South Shields...looks like this has been cleared, but is not near Westoe Village?
1891 41 Havelock Street, Westoe, South Shields
I cannot find Westoe only Westoe Village, are these the same place??
William lived in Westoe and worked in the mines, where would the nearest mines be?? Westoe mine dosen't appear to have opened until 1904 ish??
Regards
Bendywendy
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Havelock Street and John Street were in Westoe Civil Parish, or Township.
See South Shields Registration District, 1871 Census Street Index at http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c4o/
Stan
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To find John Street go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm and enter the coordinates 436610, 567244 into search, this will centre the map on the location, and you can see the street named on the 1919-1926 map.
The colliery would be St. Hilda's, see http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/s022.htm
Stan
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This map shows the extent of the Township of Westoe Number 2. The township of South Shields was a narrow strip along the river Number 1
Stan
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Hi Stanmapstone
Many thanks for your quick help, I thought I was going bonkers or that googlemaps was, it took me to Lanchester, Durham ??? that could not be correct being South Shields.
Will look at all the links a little later.
Would you mind showing me the area of Shiny Row, South Shields please. Was it just a single road or an area covering many streets/roads?? googlemaps only shows SR at top of Beatrice Terrace.
Thank you
Bendywendy
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The only Shiney Row I know of in County Durham is the village near Houghton-le-Spring. Where do you get Shiny Row South Shields from? See http://www.mymarras.co.uk/pages/shiney_row.htm
Stan
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Now Stan
My partners mother used to visit Shiny Row as a wee child with her Granny Lythe who was the dau of William Bailey (I think so far!!!). They used to travel on the train from York to So. Shields to Shiny Row. She has said she believed it to be just a row of houses called Shiny Row. I too can only find Houghton le Spring.
Looking at the houses on Beatrice Road, they don't tie in with what she remembers, she believes they were a row of miners cottages, so it could have been demolished and rebuilt??
You are correct with spelling of Shiney Row. I have found Shiney Row of Shiney Row, which on googlemaps is listed as this Shiney Row, Shiney Row (SW-bound) & Shiney Row, Shiney Row (W-bound) & Shiney Row, Shiney Row (E-bound) & Shiney Row, Shiney Row (NE-bound) they all seem to connect to Philadelphia Lane, Chester Road. But no actual Shiney Row itself, most likely demolished now.
There is a highways roundabout sign on top of Philadelphia Lane which states Shiney Row followed by directions to Chester le Street & Washington - Penshaw - Sunderland and Local Traffic Only B1519. On Philadelphia Lane is Shiney Row Post Office.
Been looking on the map link you sent me...my partners mother visited between the years on map as 1938-1950
I don't know how you get the co ordinates from this page, on Search I just typed in Shiney Row on Street and got Shiney Row, Barnard Castle, Newbiggin. On Town there is two listings for Shiney Row - one on Golf Course and the other on Washington Highway. More confusing now :o need to ask her MORE questions.
I have found Havelock St on the map link you sent me, here are the co-ordinates...a long while since I last did geography... E 435822 .. N 566183.. the area has been changed around since 1970, although the area was static from 1894 - 1970.
Regards
Bendywendy
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Here is a photo of Granny Lythe with her granddaughter visiting Shiney Row. Does look like a cottage.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=518498.new#new
Bendywendy
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I have found Havelock St on the map link you sent me, here are the co-ordinates...a long while since I last did geography... E 435822 .. N 566183.. the area has been changed around since 1970, although the area was static from 1894 - 1970.
Regards
Bendywendy
HI Bendywendy
I had already got the coordinates for Havelock Street, but did not send them as I assumed you already had the location.
Stan
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Hi Stan
Hahahah silly me...but the map link you sent me gives me the layout at the time nearest the census, googlemaps show a area of clearance.
Bendywendy
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I lived in number 20 Havelock Street, it was in the Laygate area of South Shields but alas it was demolished many years ago.
Westoe covered most of South Shields in the 1800s, Westoe village was on the outskirts of the town.
The mine in the 1800s would probably have been St Hildas which closed down just before WWII. There was also Harton Colliery in the town.
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The Bailey family lived at 22 on 1881 cen and 44 on 1891 cen.
Do you have any photos or know where any are on internet??
Bendywendy
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Have a look here: http://www.southtynesideimages.org.uk/frontend.php
enter "Havelock Street" then tick "search all text filds" then search at the bottom of the page.
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There was no Shiny Row in South Shields. Shiny Row was and still is a very small village at the foot of Penshaw Monument, between Sunderland and Chester le Street.
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I lived in number 20 Havelock Street, it was in the Laygate area of South Shields but alas it was demolished many years ago.
Westoe covered most of South Shields in the 1800s,
As my map shows :)
Stan
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I lived in number 20 Havelock Street, it was in the Laygate area of South Shields but alas it was demolished many years ago.
The mine in the 1800s would probably have been St Hildas which closed down just before WWII. There was also Harton Colliery in the town.
You can see the relative positions of St. Hilda's and Harton Collieries from the map at http://www.dmm-gallery.org.uk/maps/1898-07.htm St. Hilda's, opened in 1810 and closed in 1940. Harton Colliery opened in 1844 and closed in 1969.
Stan
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There are a number of "Rows" in the South Shields Registration District in the 1911 Census, but no Shiney Row, the only ones beginning with "S" are Single Row, and Short Row.
Stan
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To be more precise, Havelock Street was in High Shields and about 100 yards from High Shields Railway Station.
John Street was in the centre of the old part of South Shields (it was still classed as Westoe) this map shows the location of where it was, it is now a car park.
My father worked at St Hildas Colliery prior to joining the Durham Light Infantry.
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You can see streets the old maps at http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm.
Havelock Street is at the coordinates 435970, 566200. John Street at 436610, 567244. The modern map is also available.
Stan
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Thank you everyone, some links to look at tomorrow. Got the baby grandson sleeping over.
Bendywendy
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Further info for Shiney Row... 2 Eden Terrace home of Robert Anderson & Emma Bailey, she is the sister to Anna Maria Bailey (pronounced Ma-ri-ah) AKA Granny Lythe, who used to visit Shiney Row.
On last census Robert is a Fish Frier at 2 Eden Terrace, on google maps I can find a bed shop, which could have been the Fish Shop No 2, followed by numbers 1 >> odds. There is not an Eden Terrace on opposite side, tis Beatrice Terrace, for even numbers, so was the numbers changed at some point for Eden Terrace or was the shop adjacent to No 1 known as No 2 ???
Robert Anderson married Emma Bailey and they had 2 sons Thomas Henry Anderson 1902 married Margaret Pratt Brown and Robert Anderson 1901. This is as far as I have traced for either of these two sons, but did either continue to live at Shiney Row ???
Robert Anderson snr was 21 yrs older 1854, than Emma 1873, there is a possibility he died 1919 so did Emma Anderson remarry and still live in Shiney Row afterwards ???
It has to be this family of Emma that Granny Lythe used to visit at Shiney Row, if anyone has any information I would appreciate if you would contact me to solve the "puzzling memory" of my mother in law and who was taken to visit by her Granny Lythe.
bendywendy