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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: jaybees on Friday 04 March 11 23:30 GMT (UK)
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I am seeking information from anyone with Family or personal knowledge of the Family of Herbert and Frances Emma WALKER who resided in Dewsbury. According to the 1901 Census Herbert was a Publican residing at 18 Victoria Crescent, Dewsbury Moor. Other members of the family included :-
Frances Emma WALKER (nee EASTWOOD) born Halifax abt 1863
Doris " born Dewsbury abt 1885
James E " " " " 1867
Edward E " " " " 1869
Fred " " " " 1872
Ruth M " " " " 1874
Herbert was born in Dewsbury abt 1861 and died 1906, also in Dewsbury.
I am particularly interested in information on James E, regarding his second Christian Name and why I cannot find him on the 1911 UK Census.
Thanking you in anticipation.
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James E " " " " 1867
Edward E " " " " 1869
Fred " " " " 1872
Ruth M " " " " 1874
I haven't looked at the 1901 for them, but these dates can't be right, can they? Are they each 20 years later?
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For James this looks promising, from FreeBMD:
Birth, Mar qtr 1887
James Ernest WALKER
Dewsbury 9b 641
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This seems to be the census jaybees is referring to
1901
18 Victoria Crescent
Dewsbury
Herbert Walker head M 39 Hotel manager Pub
Frances E wife M 37
Doris daughter 15
James E son 14
Edward E son 12
Fred 9 son
Ruth M daughter 7
all b Dewsbury
RG13 4268 51
Suz
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I am particularly interested in information on James E, regarding his second Christian Name and why I cannot find him on the 1911 UK Census.
For legal reasons we cannot do 1911 census lookups. However, a free index search suggests there may be a suitable James E Walker in the Weymouth area in some sort of military context (perhaps naval?). He might be worth a look.
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Was James E in the Royal Marines???
Suz
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Many thanks to the very kind persons who have responded to my query, suzard and avm228 in particular.
To Suzard : To my knowledge James was never in the Royal Marines. During World Wars 1 and 2 he was in the British and Australian Merchant Navies. The 1901 UK Census that you have shown is the correct one.
To Avm 228: Thank you for prompting me to correct the years of birth. They should, of course, read :-
Doris 1885
James E 1887
Edward E 1889
Fred 1892
Ruth 1894.
Thanks for the info from FreeBMD. I notice that there was also a James Edward born at Dewsbury about the same time. 'Drat it'. Thanks also for the info about the 1911 UK Census. I'll have a good look at that one
Regards, Jim, in Australia
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Not all Births are in the GRO and need to contact Dewsbury Register office
Though it not certain! Its strange if Edward E Walker in the 1901 census who was Edward Eastwood Walker b 1889 and his elder brother James E was not also James Eastwood Walker
Marriages Mar 1885
Eastwood Frances Emma Dewsbury 9b 636
Walker Herbert Dewsbury 9b 636
Births Mar 1889
Walker Edward Eastwood Dewsbury 9b 643
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Thank you for that information 'dobfarm'. I can understand your reasoning regarding the second Christian Name. I just took it for granted that the FreeBMD List was complete. I'll follow your suggestion now and try to contact the Dewsbury Register Office.
Regards
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Thank you for that information 'dobfarm'. I can understand your reasoning regarding the second Christian Name. I just took it for granted that the FreeBMD List was complete. I'll follow your suggestion now and try to contact the Dewsbury Register Office.
Regards
Blooming loads of BMD's are missing in GRO Free indexs
My own brother death 1947 and Graddad are not in it! but were in the local register office also they will only send a certificate if the detail you give them are correct and match their records;-Ie father and mother's name etc. unlike GRO Southport robot system
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I notice that there was also a James Edward born at Dewsbury about the same time. 'Drat it'.
James Edward WALKER is a different child, baptised at St Phillip's, Dewsbury on 22 July 1889 as a son of Mary Jane WALKER, per the new Familysearch site.
He can be seen with Mary Jane and other family members in 1901 at RG13/4266/37/39.
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Thank you to dobfarm and avm228 for your input to my problem. I will take your advice and contact the authorities at Dewsbury for information.
Regards, Jim, Australia
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James Ernest Walker
Baptism 06 Apr 1887
Christening Place: Batley Carr, York, England
Father's Name: Herbert Walker
Mother's Name: Frances Emma Walker
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03071-3
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1542276
Reference Number: yr 1880-1900 p 65
https://www.familysearch.org/
Enter - James Walker
Place -YORK (Not Yorkshire)
Range Date from 1886 to 1888
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Hullo dobfarm,
The info you sent is just about overwhelming. I just can't thank you enough. With your reply you have answered five of my questions in the one message. Thank you again.
Regards, Jim, in Australia
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Hi Jim
I don't have access to 1911 census but its possible he was traveling the day the census was taken or-Holiday-Working away -Prison-etc (Drunk and disorderly etc) or Out of the country or other reasons
Dave.
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Hullo Dave,
I certainly agree with your 'possibles', because, if this James is the person I am looking for, he was in the Merchant Navy as an Able Seaman at the time. Thank you, yet again, for your input to my problem.
Regards, Jim
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Yorkshire up and over (or Down and out)
Good Hunting with all ;)
Dave :)
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Let me know when you have taken a copy of the image and then I'll remove the image in day or so.
Right Click on image and click save to pictures
Dave
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Hullo Dave,
Thank you, yet again for supplying me with the image. I have taken a copy, as you suggested. I have very good reason to believe that this James absconded from his home as a young lad, changed his surname to BROUGHTON and went to sea in the Merchant Navy. Eventually he ended up in Australia and became my Father. I found him on the 1911 Census living in a Boarding House in Poplar. On the Census he shows his place of birth as Ashington, but it has been overwritten, obviously by some official, to be Botany Bay, which I believe was or is located near Batley. I'm still trying to prove that it is, in fact, James Ernest WALKER (alias BROUGHTON).
I have his World War One Medal Roll from the London Archives and that shows that he was born in Ashington in 1886. This is the correct one because the Medal Numbers, engraved thereon, correspond with the medals I have in my possession.
Regards, Jim
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Hi Jim,
Sounds complicated your James. You have what you asked for and was given the copy at our Fam history society by a friend-hence so posted it as you may like it for display in your tree.
Regards Dave
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Hullo David,
You have been a great help to me in my search and, once again, I want to say thank you ever so much.
Regards, Jim
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Hi Jim
You will have very good reasons to believe your James E Broughton was James E Walker. I can only advise you from what you have told me on locations birth given in records. Ashington is in Cumbria above Newcastle on Tyne. Botany Bay is in Lancashire Near Chorley & Preston that used to be part of Yorkshire but there is NO Botany bay near Batley or in Dewsbury area. Seeing that Ashington was given twice in records being 1911 census and army records for this James Broughton makes me think that was is birth place.
As I said this is only based on what you tell me and I do know the Dewsbury/Batley area well!
Anyway I would make this thread Completed Now!
Dave
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Hi Jim,
Sounds complicated your James. You have what you asked for and was given the copy at our Fam history society by a friend-hence so posted it as you may like it for display in your tree.
Regards Dave