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Hey
I am looking for any information on John Henry Harber born 1887 Willenhall, Staffordshire
He married Lily Russell Dec 1907 in Gwent, Monmouthshire. He died in 1945 in Pontypool, Wales.
Thank You for any help given
Gimli74
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Hiya Gimli74
Where did the information that he was born in Willenhall come from?
Willow x
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in case you do not have it there are 2 children with surname harber mothers maiden name russell
mary.e.harber oct qtr 1911,gwent,monmouthshire
lily.m.harber apr qtr 1914 gwent
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Willow,
Looks like the information came from the 1911 census!
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on his death index in 1945 his age is down as 57
but i can find no birth in staffs between 1884-1890 of a john harber
the nearest one is a john henry harber born birmingham 1890
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There is a John Henry Harber born 1884 Birmingham but it looks likes he died 1909 Aston
Do you have his marriage certificate? if so what is his fathers name
Willow x
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Hi
Thanks For the information
I have no Marriage Certificate
Thanks again
Gimli74
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It might be your best bet to get a copy of the marriage certificate at least it will give you his fathers name Dec 1907 Pontypool 11a 293
On FreeBMD he is just listed as John Harber
Willow x
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Gimli74. Late to the Party here and the party may be over by now, however John Henry Harber is my great grandfather's half brother. See extract from GRO, re his birth.
HERBERT, JOHN HENRY Mother's Maiden name: PERRY
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in WESTBROMWICH Volume 06B Page 898
His father alternated surnames between Herbert and Harber. When he married my great great grandmother Eliza Jane Perry Tracey, he called himself Harber. My great great grandmother was still married to her first husband, I believe, hence the possible explanation for use of different surnames, particularly on the British Census.
If this message reaches you I can explain further. I invited you to guest my family tree on Ancestry.
Best regards Jane
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Hey Jane
Thanks for replying to the post. Always interested in information regarding this family. I did purchase John Henry Harber's marriage certificate to Lily Russell this revealed that the his father was John Harber.
Would love any more information regarding them.
Regards
Gimli74
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Hi Gimli74. I have only recently 'found' the origins of my Great Grandfather and indirectly that came about following my first post to Rootschat. It would seem that, as I explained, john harber senior also used the name Herbert. You can find him using the name Harber in 1881, living as a lodger, with Edward Perry, his daughter Eliza and 3 children, Annie, Thomas and Charlotte. Charlotte is his daughter with Eliza Jane. They go on to have another two children, eliza Jane ( whose birth registration I can't find) and john henry, the man you are looking for. The family can be found in the 1891 census, living under the surname Herbert, still at ellwells street, west Bromwich. My great grandfather, Thomas moved to pontnewynydd in 1897/8, with his wife and son. Unfortunately he died in 1898. Charlotte married a lewis sauce and was living in Pontnewynnyd in 1901. As you know john henry harber married lily Russell in 1907 in Pontnewynnyd. Its taken my family 40 years to find my great granddad's origins. I hope you can benefit from my sleuthing. I have invited you to access my family tree on ancestry where you will see this information. I haven't any pics or family memorabilia of this family, just the records. All the best and let me know your connection.
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Sorry - Lewis Sayce ( mobile phone predicting text!!).
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Hi
I am connected to John Henry Harber and Lily Russell through there Daughter Margaret. I am her Great granddaughter. I haven't received anything on ancestry.
Will look in to your information. Thank You very much for getting in touch.
Regards
Gimli74
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Hi
I've drawn up a family tree for my great great grandmother, Eliza Jane Perry Tracey Harber, in jpeg format which i'll try and attach to this post. She was married twice (even married her first husband twice!). I think she may have had a liaison in between husbands as my great grandfather's birth certificate doesn't identify his natural father. I will never know who this man is although on my great grandfather's marriage certificate he names his father as Thomas Perry, Ironworker.
I've drawn up a family tree in jpeg format which i'll try and attach to this post.
I couldn't invite my cousin to my ancestry family tree either. He had an unusual email address. I had to email Ancestry and ask them to connect us. Which they did. With your permission I'll do the same for you. You don't have to be subscribing to Ancestry to use your family tree, if you have one, or be a guest on someone else's. You just can't see the attachments, pics, etc. I'm assuming you are still registered on Ancestry as I've seen an extract of a 1939 census return.
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Extract:
John Harber
(aka Herbert),
Labourer in Iron Works. Son of Matthew and Charlotte Harber (aka Herbert/Harbutt)
Born: 1839 @ Ledbury, Hertfordshire
Baptised: 21 March 1839 @ Ledbury, Herefordshire
Married: 21 Nov 1875 @ St Mark’s ,Tipton, Staffordshire
Death: 1917 @ Infirmary
Burial: 1917
Eliza Jane Turner Perry (1) Tracey (2)Harber (aka Herbert), daughter of Edward Perry, miner, and Ann Turner formerly Gutt(e)ridge
Born: Jane Turner, 20 April 1851 @ Brickhouse Lane, Greets Green, West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Baptised: Eliza Jane Turner 29 June 1851
Married: (1) 1868 and 21 June 1869 @ St Peter’s, Greets Green, West Bromwich , Staffordshire
Married: (2) 21 Nov 1875 @ St Mark’s, Ocker Hill Road, Tipton, Staffordshire
Death: June 1903 @ 5 Ryder Street, West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Burial: Age 52, 1 July 1903 @ St Peter’s, Greets Green, West Bromwich, ,Staffordshire
Charlotte Perry Harber
(aka Herbert)
Born: 1876
Eliza Jane Herbert
(aka Harber )
Born: 1884
John Henry Harber
(aka Herbert)
Born: 1886
Prior to marrying John Harber Snr, Eliza Jane Turner Perry Tracey Harber gave birth to 3 other children. Ann Sophia Tracey, Catherine Tracey and Edward Thomas Perry (my great grandfather).
Hope that helps.
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hey
thanks for getting back to me. I am still registered with Ancestry and have a membership. I am happy for you to contact them on my behalf.
Will continue reviewing the information you have kindly given me.
many thanks
Gimli74
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Hi Gimli74
Ancestry advised that you should contact them and they will help you access my invitation to Sharrock Family Tree.
Best wishes
Jane
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Gimli74
I was looking up Pontnewynydd, Trevethin last night on google maps. My Great Grandfather, Thomas Perry, lived at 3 Afon Llwyd Terrace, where he died in 1898. His half sister Charlotte, who married Lewis Sayce, lived at 24 Torfaen Terrace, just a street away from her half brother although Thomas had probably died before she moved to Pontnewynydd. Where did John Henry Harber live? I see his first and second born were baptised in Pontnewynydd. John Henry Harber was born in 1907 and your Margaretta about two years later. He and Lily had several more children as you probably know.
Thomas, Lewis and probably John Henry all worked at the Ironworks. I noticed that Charlotte named her youngest son after her brothers, John Thomas Sayce. That tells me they were very close to each other, and still remembered Thomas after he had died. I draw comfort that Thomas Perry who is buried at St Cadoc's I believe, had his half sister and half brother living close by and I'm sure they made sure his grave was cared for.
I'll visit one of these days and see if I can find Thomas's grave. Not sure if there is anything there anymore so need to do some research.
Best regards
Jane
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Hey Jane
According to the 1911 census John Henry Harber and Lily where living at 52 River Row, Pontnewynydd.
In the 1939 Register they are living at 8 George Street, Pontypool.
John Henry Harber and Lily had a total of 9 children together. My Great Grandmother being the second child.
Regards
Sami
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Hi Sami
River Row, Afon Llwyd Terrace and Torfaen Terrace are three streets in Pontnewynydd. They all run parallel with each other. John Henry Harber and Charlotte Sayce, his sister, would have lived within 100 yards or so of each other. Thomas Perry would have died before his half sister and then half brother moved to the village. I imagine Lewis Sayce and John Henry worked at the same ironworks as Thomas Perry (my great grandfather).
I can't attach the family tree I created to this post but please contact Ancestry should you wish to accept my invitation as a guest. This family are all set out in 'Sharrock Family Tree'. Ancestry will help you, and I'll leave the invitation open.
Extract from Ancestry's reply to me,
'Dear Deborah,
Thank you for contacting Ancestry in regards to a tree invitation not being received.
If the member is not receiving the invitation you can try sending the invitation to their email address, if you have it, instead of their username. If that is not an option you can tell them to contact us and we can help them accept the invitation. If you tell them to contact us please leave the invitation active as we can only help with active invitations.
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Best wishes
(Deborah) Jane
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I have contacted amazon so hopefully will be able to join your family tree soon.
Regards
Sami
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That's great, let me know how you get on.
regards
Jane
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Hi Sami,
Found the time to explore the Harber Family tree again. I'm still trying to work out who was my great grandfather's natural father. I'm thinking of taking a DNA test after this lockdown is over.
I was contacted by a distant relative recently (her great grandmother was the eldest sister to my great grandmother, Sarah Anne, who married Edward Thomas Perry aka Herbert, half brother of your great grandfather John Henry Harber/Herbert), which was great as she was able to send me a couple of photos of these ancestors.
I was wondering if you had any pics of your relatives, John Henry Harber and Lily, or your grandmother, that you might share. Always good to see if there are any family likenesses. Unfortunately I have very few pics of that side of the family.
My email address is (*)
Hope you are well.
Best wishes
Jane Morwood
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