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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: Edna2 on Wednesday 02 March 11 12:03 GMT (UK)
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I have discovered that my maternal g.mother Ellen (or Elinor) CRUMPLIN, nee GOULD, was born in Elvetham in 1868, but can't get any further; can anyone help?
Edna2
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Hi Edna,
Do you have her marriage certificate? This would give her father's name. There is a birth registration in Hartley Wintney RD in Dec 1867 for an Ellen Taphouse Gould, ref 2c 163.
Nell
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Hi Edna
I am having a look for Ellen and I just wondered if you have a little more
information for us.
Can you supply her husbands first name.
Also although she was born in Elvetham, do you know
where she was living in an older age?
I might have found two potential Ellens but without a little
extra help dont know if they are correct.
Both have Fathers called William and the Mothers are either
Mary Ann or Julia.
Do you have any names that run through your family at all?
regards Sandymc
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Thank you for these responses.
Ellen Taphouse Gould was my grandmother, her birth certificate gives no father but Ann as her mother.
I have not been able to find her on the census, but it is rumoured that she either ran away, or was farmed out, to a family in the New Forest; if so, I wonder how/when she came back to Hartley Wintney and met William Crumplin, my grandfather.
I wondered if the forename Taphouse was a crafty way of getting the father's name on to the birth certificate; does anyone have any knowledge or experience of this practice?
Edna
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Although her birth certificate gives no name for father, her marriage certificate gives her father as Thomas Gould, but I can find no trace of him.
The witnesses were Charles Crumplin (I think he was a brother, large family, have not yet checked) and Kate Turner; the only Kate Turner I can find was a 17 year old servant in Yately. I am struggling, any help gratefully accepted!
Edna
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The lack of a father's name on her birth certificate tends to point to her being illegitimate. The father's name is on the marriage certificate may be made up to save her embarassment, especially since you cannot find any trace of him.
Taphouse may have been her real father's name; women often did put the name in the child's name. Equally, it could be a red herring.
Nell
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Edna
I have looked at the PRs and Ellen was not baptised at Elvetham, Hartley Wintney, Winchfield or Fleet
There is a Baptism at Elvetham
3AUG1851 ANNE GOULD d/o JAMES & CHARLOTTE Lab Elvetham
She is with James and Charlottte at Elvetham in 1861
There is an Ellen Gold aged 13 at St Pancras Chichester Sussex . She is a nursemaid and says she was born Hartley Hants. She is not on the Baptism register for H/W.
There are no Taphouses in Elvetham
You could be in for a long search
Vic Wise
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Thanks very much, all very helpful.
I thought again about the name Taphouse and, in the next census, discovered a Solomon Taphouse, 18 year old private soldier, listed under Hartley Wintney .......... the plot thickens!
Edna
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Hi Edna
I have searched in a few different sites for Ellen born 1868 but can't find one for that year. Either side of that year but not exact. If the Anne that Vic found for you is the Mother of Ellen, then she would have been only 17 when she gave birth to Ellen in 1868. Maybe thats why she wasnt Christened or it was just an unfortunate miss off of the register.
I have looked for William George Crumplin and there are two living in H/W in the 1881 census. Maybe thats how Ellen met him as you mention you do not know why she came back from being a maid? I did find the wedding in 1895.
I thought I had found Ellen in the 1881census working as a maid. There is a Ellen Gould working there aged about 15 which would make her the right age. She is working in a big house of Lord Tennyson the Poet Lauriate.
The soldier aged 18 sounds a good guess, but you didnt put what year the census was when you found him. In 1868 the British army was in Abyssinia now known as Ethiopia so he might not have had time to marry Anne or put his name down as Father had he been taken away in the Army??
Lots of scenarios could have happened. I did look for the surname Taphouse and there are a few men in the Hampshire area but its also a place in Cornwall.
Hope this helps a little
regards Sandymc
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Thank you Sandy.
I have obtained a birth certificate for Ellen Taphouse Gould, born 5th November 1867 in Elvetham, registered by mother Ann Gould on 11th December 1867.
I also have a birth certificate for Ann, born 13th June 1851 in Elvetham, the daughter of James Gould and Charlotte Gould formerly Wyeth, registered by Charlotte Gould (who made her mark) on 22nd July, 1851. There is a Charlotte Wyeth born Hampshire 1835.
Also there is a marriage certificate for 6th April 1895 for Ellen Gould, spinster aged 27 and William George Crumplin, 31, bachelor, labourer, in Hartley Wintney, fathers' names William Crumplin and Thomas Gould, both labourers. TGC is my grandfather; Thomas Gould I cannot find anywhere.
Witnesses, Charles Crumplin and Kate Turner.
In the 1891 census, Charlotte Turner (57, laundress, widow) is living at Cricket Green (which is significant) with her daughter Alice (15, general servant), Eleanor Gould (23, laundress, grand-daughter) and William Gould (1, grandson). [ was Kate Turner possibly a daughter, away in service? The census shows a Kate Turner maidservant at Yateley, nearby.]
I am still collecting; no doubt it will eventually make sense.
Edna
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Edna
I am not sure what you have found out since this post but I believe your Anne Gould had a sister Kate Turner as her mother Charlott remarried to John Turner. James must have died about 1868. As for the Thomas on Ellens marriage cert maybe an entry error or without seeing it I am guessing it could actually be James (the grandfather since it would seem Ellen did not have a legitimately married father) but not written clearly. I am fairly sure there are no Thomas'.
Anyway it would appear we share grandfathers. My GGG Grandfather is your GGGG Grandfather (Michael Gould) whose son was Nathaniel. Nathaniel had a brother William who was the father of your James Gould.
Andrew Gould