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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: Kagsy on Wednesday 02 March 11 08:38 GMT (UK)
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hi looking for info on a William Perry from Ballymaghroe, Co Wicklow b approx 1835- he had at least one son Frederick Perry and possibly more
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do you know what religion your Perry family were ?
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Sorry they are Church of Ireland
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The townland of Ballymaghroe seems to be split between three adjacent civil parishes (which are generally equivalent to Church of Ireland parishes). Killiskey, Moyne & Hacketstown
Parts of the parish of Hacketstown are in Co. Carlow
The dates covered for these parishes in the RCB Library are as follows :
Killiskey batp 1818 / marr. 1818 / d 1824
Moyne bapt 1879 / marr. 1846 / d 1879
Hacketstown bapt 1877 / marr. 1845 / d 1878
There's a few Perry individuals listed in the area on Griffith's Valuation and slightly later than Frederick's birth, including two William Perry listings in the townland of Ballymaghroe, although these could both relate to the same property and person. One of the listing is in Moyne, the other in Hacketstown.
Shane
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just a quick update, and correction to the previous post - there seems to be a separate townland of Ballymaghroe, the one in the civil parish of Killiskey, which is locate further to north east and on the coast.
Based on Griffith's Valuation the other townlands named Ballymaghroe fit your details much better. Although listed in the townland database (www.thecore.com/seanruad) as separate townlands, this Ballymaghroe is more likely a single townland split between two civil parishes. These are to the west of the town of Ashford (~3km) and adjacent to each other. They can be seen on the OSI 6" maps (c1820/1840). The green line indicates the civil parish boundaries, with Hacketstown to the west and Moyne to the east.
see : Ballymaghroe townlands (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,703960,681520,5,7)
Shane
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Possibly no connection, but might assist other researchers.
Perry William; b .(about); 1696 Newrath Wicklow
Spouse; Anne Neville
Parents; John Neville & Mrs John Neville
2nd spouse; Thomas Somerville
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Jack
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Thanks everyone for your replies. I am also trying to see if there is a link between Anthony Perry of 1798 and my William Perry. Anthony Perry United Irishman had built Perrymount in Inch, Co Wexford, had married Eliza Forde ( d/o Andrew Forde)of Ballyfad and had 3 children A Perry was C of I. Perrymount was sold not long afterwards I believe. I don't know where they went to.
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I believe the Frederick Perry you mentioned is my Great Grandfather. I know there is a link back to Anthony Perry but I don't have the exact details.
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Hi
I have been searching my Greene family from Knockgreany, Coolgreany, Co Wexford and found two references Simon Greene and Simon Creane of Knockgreany. It appears Simon was in the United Irishmen along with Anthony Perry. Not sure of your connection but you must be related somewhere along the line with Anthony.
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yeh I think I am have found since that anthony perry had 3 sons andrew, francis and anthony, we think we are related through francis he became a barrister so I have to look into that - yeh there are a load of books regarding 1798 - there is one on Coolgreany in the archives in wexford library in ardcaven
Good Luck with your search
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Hi
Thank you for that. Next time I am in Wexford I will pop in and see what I can find.
Do you know if any of the United Irishmen who fought closely with Anthony were executed in Gorey or where I might find a list? Simon Greene/Creane seems to have gone along with his son Michael as it was another son, Patrick who took over Knockgreany.
oh its all so interesting
Best wishes
Kath
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if i can find the name of the book i will post it it is in the archives you have to ring and make an appointment they wont let you take out the book but you can photocopy pages - if i come across the name i will take note of where and let u know - yes it really is interesting and i met a cousin whose great grandfather was mine too - brillant
take care and happy hunting
Karen
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Thank you Karen
Last week while at a family history fair I met the great grandfather of the land agent who evicted my Greene family from Knockgreany, Coolgreany Evictions of 1887 -very small world!!
Thank you so much.
The big shock today is I had information on Simon Creane and Michael, either his brother or son. Michael in 1798 had a livery stable in Coolgreany. Because of the spelling I did not take much notice. Then the Forde estate papers had a Simon Greene of Knockgreany. Then listed in connection with Anthony Perry was Simon Creane of Knockgreany. At Simon's home is where one of the meetings for the United Irishmen took place. It appears Simon and Anthony fought together!
Any help would be much appreciated. I know Simon, and Michael were both dead by 1824. They could have died naturally !!!!
Best wishes
kath
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where was the history fair and where can u get papers for forde estate anthony perry married eliza forde d/o andrew forde - i persume you have read the book about the evictions of coolgreany
karen
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Hi
I have written two volumes and travel about England attending family history fairs.
In respect to the Ford estate papers, apparently when Fordes left they put much of the family papers on a dump but someone collected them and sent them with the Forde bits to Northern Ireland. The Forde papers are in the Northern Ireland records office.
Here are the references
MIC599 - Microfilm - Contains volume of Maps of the Coolgreany Estate with Maps of Individual townlands and names of the tenants. Includes Knockgreany and Ballyfadd.-
D566 - Forde Papers - Contains rentals, rent books, leases relating to the Wexford estate again a copy of anything which mentions the Green/e families of Knockgreany, Ballyfad and Coolgreany.
PRONI’s eCatalogue is now available on the PRONI website. The search facility allows you to find catalogue entries using text, date or PRONI Reference Number searches. You can also use the browse facility to navigate up and down the catalogue levels of an individual archive. For further information, see ‘Using the eCatalogue’ and ‘Search Hints and Tips’ in the 'eCatalogue' section of the PRONI website on the following link:
Forde papers D240
T2749
Forde, Lady Harriet, papers D2577
Forde, Mathew, documents T155
T219
T637
T3373
Forde and Milliken papers D2410
Forde and Stitt documents T1436
Forfeited Estates' Trustees papers T3365
The village of Coolgreany lands were purchased by Nicholas’s fifth son, Matthew Forde (who later sat in the Irish House of Commons in 1642) as part of a wider acquisition of estate lands in Kinelarty in County Down, which he purchased from Thomas Cromwell, Viscount Lecale between the years 1615 and 1636.”
hope this helps
yes, I have read the book by Peggy Doyle is that is the one you mean?
Good Luck Let me know how you get on and lets keep in touch
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Hi
I also found this -you may find it useful
I found a reference which said Anthony Perry was married to Alice Forde, daughter of Col. Forde of Ballyfad House. Her sister was Kitty Forde. of course it may not be correct I have not confirmed the references.
Also there is a very old graveyard called Cranngall. This is where many of the 1798 rebels are buried.
Best wishes
Kath
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I am not sure if there is any link but I believe I am descended from various Thomas Perrys from Kiltegan, just a short distance from your Perrys.
Please let me know if you can add anything.
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Hi
I don't think I have come across a Thomas Perry from Kiltegan or anywhere else - what years are we talking about and what religon, William is Fredericks father and Fred approx born 1850's so William maybe 1830's or earlier. Fred was 67 when his last child was born!
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Hi Kagsy. The Perrys I am interested in would be Church of Ireland.
My great grandfather, Nicholas Wilson, married an Elizabeth Perry in Dublin in 1893. The most likely Elizabeth Perry I have been able to find was born in Kiltegan in 1865. This makes sense to me as the Wilsons were located in Baltinglass.
Her father was a Thomas Perry, occupation Farmer. Griffiths Valuation shows a Thomas Perry in Ballinasilloge, Parish of Hacketstown. I notice there is also a John and a William Perry in Ballymaghroe, Hacketstown. I guess that is your William.
There are also wills and probate records for two Thomas Perrys in Kiltegan, dated 1821 and and 1824. The Church of Ireland Cemetary in Hacketstown has a gravestone erected by Thomas Perry of Buile in memory of his son John who departed this life on the 24th of September 1805 aged 19.
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Hi, blueherron.
I have George Perry, b.1848 in Co. Wicklow, son of Thomas Perry. I can't find an exact place of birth for him, but his wife's family was from Kiltegan, and so it's likely that he was from the same area.
George was my g.g.-grandfather, and I have a fair amount of information about him and his descendants but not much about his ancestry. Would you be interested in exchanging information to see if there might be a connection?
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Dear kagsy
Just wondering if you are still looking for in formation on William Perry?
I was wondering if you know how many children he had?
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Possibly no connection, but might assist other researchers.
Perry William; b .(about); 1696 Newrath Wicklow
Spouse; Anne Neville
Parents; John Neville & Mrs John Neville
2nd spouse; Thomas Somerville
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Jack
I am researching Nevilles from Wicklow and wondering if you did anymore with this ?