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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Martin Harmer on Monday 28 February 11 23:56 GMT (UK)
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Any info on Andrew Anesbury and his wife Margaret Bennett, thier ancesters, children ect.
we only have info on one daughter Annie Letitia, she married a Thomas Brooks 08/july/1875 in Balalie S.Aust.
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Where and when was Annie born?
Where and when did Andrew & Margaret marry
There are very few instances of the surname Anesbury in England
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Annie was born in Emerald Hill, Victoria, Aust.
No idea about Andrew and Margaret except her middle name was Ann.
Her brothers and sisters all born in Aust.
they are;
John James
Samuel James Blundell
Mary Fisher
Charles Edwin (or Edward)
Varrients of name here in oz are Anesbury, Amesbury, Ainsbury
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No idea about Andrew and Margaret except her middle name was Ann
You have posted on the England board so what information do you have that connects them to England?
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The family is originaly from England, we just need to know where and when.
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There is no entry on any English records for these names
What year was their first child born in Australia
Were any of the children born in England - if so - when and where
You are presumably already aware of this submitted IGI entry
Margaret Anne Bennett Birth: About 1830 England
Spouse: Andrew Anesbury Marriage: About 1856 England
Have you checked freebmd for a marriage www.freebmd.org.uk
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I'm actually after any info on thier ancesters in the UK, and i'm still looking for any records of them here in Aust.
Annie's siblings were all born in oz.
I have no dates or place names for Andrew and Margaret.
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I'm actually after any info on thier ancesters in the UK
At the moment - there is no evidence to support any English connection.
There are lots of Margaret/Margaret Ann Bennetts but without a birthplace or similar info - there is no way of knowing which is the right one
There is no entry for an Andrew Anesbury/Ainsbury/Amesbury anywhere
Have you checked if they married in Australia
The family is originaly from England, we just need to know where and when
What documentary evidence do you have to support that.
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After a long brake I was going through my Amesbury notes. George Anesbury (cir 1781)and Ann Gough (cir 1794)(married 1811, Dovercourt) had 11 issue, Andrew and Caroline are the only 2 I have, along with 3 possibles George, William and Eliza. Would love to find information on the others if possible. Note Anesbury can be spelt numerous ways.
Thanks in advance.
M
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George and daughters Eliza and Mary appear in the 1851 census at Dovercourt:
George Ansby 69 (widower, ag lab, place of birth - not known?)
Eliza Ansby 29 Dovercourt, Essex
Mary Ansby 19 Dovercourt
H1070/1780 / 122 pg27
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Hi Martin,
The images of the birth certificates for Victoria are usually very very detailed, and include information about the parents of the baby whose birth is being registered. I can see from the Vic BDM online index that your lass was born 1856, and her birth was registered as Ann Letitia. The Index has her father's name as Andrew AMESBURY, and her mum as Margaret Ann BENNETT. The reference no. is 11817. The index records her place of birth as Emerald Hill.
At the Resources Board for Australia, you will find a sub-board dedicated to Victoria.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369963.0
At the Victoria resources you will find a thread about what to expect on Vic BDMs
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
Births
Date and place of birth;
name of child and whether present or not;
name of parents (including mother's maiden name);
occupation of parents;
ages and birthplace of parents;
date and place of marriage of parents;
previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased;
signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;
names of witnesses;
date and place of registation.
The image is available to download immediately, via a plastic card payment of $24.50.
I have highlighted several of the pieces of information that the Vic BDM for Ann will hopefully provide you so you can share and the English RChatters can then use their local knowledge to help you advance your quest.
PS, perhaps you could consider asking the Global Moderators to merge your two profiles. :D
Red Post, Good Find Maddy
JM
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This appears to be Eliza in 1871 with brother John at Dovercourt:
John Ansbrey 44 Dovercourt, Essex (ag lab)
Eliza Ansbrey sister 50 Dovercourt (char woman)
Hannah Fullager Visitor 6 Harwich, Essex
GBC/1871/1680/0023
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There are 6 baptisms for children to George and Ann ANSBERRY at Dovercourt on FreeReg between 1814 and 1824:
1814 William
1818 George (born 1816)
1818 Eliza
1820 John (burial 1821)
1822 Caroline
1824 Andrew
and a burial for Ann AINSBRY aged 48 in 1840
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Just adding a couple of further variations to the AINSBURY surname ...
South Australia Births
1878
Clara Ashton, parents as Thomas BROOKS and Annie HANSBURY, in the Gilbert District...
1880
Annie Letitia, parents as Thomas BROOKS and Annie Letitia ANSBUARY, Gilbert District
1882
Thomas Henry, parents as Thomas BROOKS and Annee Letitia ANSBURY, Gilbert District
1884
George Andrew, parents as Thomas BROOKS and Ann Leticia ANESBURY, Clare District
1886
Frances Bertha, parents as Thomas BROOKS and Annie HEMSBURY, Clare District
1888
Effie Adelaide, parents as Thomas BROOKS and Annie Letitia ANESBURY, Clare district
1890
Frederick Charles Benjamin, parents as Thomas BROOKS and Annie Letitia ANSBURY, Clare district
1894
Samuel Edwin, parents as Thomas BROOKS and Annie Letitia ANSBURY, Clare district
1896
James, parents as Thomas BROOKS and Annie Letitia ANESBURY, Clare district
Index is free to search : https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
All those children, and NONE named Margaret .... I realise the surname is not on the top of the popularity poll, but .... what document actually confirms the 1856 birth in the colony of Victoria with the 1875 marriage in the colony of South Australia? I think S.A. marriage certificates in that era had very little family history information...
JM
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All the same people. They are my great great maternal grandparents.
I believe there is even more variations than that.
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BDM South Australia birth
1871 ANSBURY Charles Edwin
parents Andrew ANSBURY / Margaret BENNETT Burra 97/71
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I've added John, William, Eliza and George.
I wonder if the other 5 exist, died at birth or born different area.
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Whilst I haven't seen a baptism, there is Mary born c1832 (who appears in the 1851 census), and another John born c1827 (in the 1871 census). So they are 2 more. ;)
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BDM South Australia birth
1871 ANSBURY Charles Edwin
parents Andrew ANSBURY / Margaret BENNETT Burra 97/71
Great find Wivenhoe, so they moved from Victoria to S.A, but how did they get to Victoria?
JM
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1861 Census
George Ansbrey 80, Head, Widr, Ag Lab, born Lt Watren, Essex
Eliza Ansbrey, 44, Daug, Housekeeper
John Ansbrey, 36, Son, Ag Lab
George was buried 1 Mar 1863 age 83.
Trish :)
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Thanks all so far, if my notes are correct according to Ancestry there should be 3 more.
Will try and double check what we have so far.
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Do you have the 1856 birth cert for Annie Letitia? If so, what information does it give you about her parents?
For example
When and Where were they married?
See reply #10. :)
JM
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Vic BDM
Margaret BENNETT and Andrew ANSBERY marriage registered 1855, #2166. This document should give you information about the respective parents of Margaret and of Andrew. To me, if this was my family, it would be a 'must have' document.
Any info on Andrew Anesbury and his wife Margaret Bennett, thier ancesters, children ect.
we only have info on one daughter Annie Letitia, she married a Thomas Brooks 08/july/1875 in Balalie S.Aust.
JM
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Ann Letitia Anesbury married Thomas Brooks 8 July 1875, in Residence of Mr Brown, Balalie, S.A. daughter of Margaret Bennett.
Thomas Brooks, son of Joseph Brooks and Elizabeth Stokes.
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Hi Martin,
Your topic heading is for Andrew and Margaret, and I have posted the reference number for their 1855 marriage in Victoria.
Do you have the image of that marriage registration?
It should give you information about Andrew and about Margaret (when and where born) and about their respective parents - if you have the image of that marriage cert, please consider sharing the info on it so that all the RChatters helping on this thread can have confidence in the info they are posting.
JM
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This is the difficulty I'm having, I'm unable to find any cert. online but other Anesbury and Brooks researchers have Andrew Anesbury born in Essex 1824 and marrying a Margaret Ann Bennett in Melbourne 15 SEP. 1855. She was born in Torkay, Devonshire. Born 1834
I think Andrew arrived in Australia on board the Amazon. They may have met on the ship coming over.
Frustrating.
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Martin, I am sure you have read, over the years, from many an RChatter on the Australia Board when helping on your threads there and on the Scottish Board too, about the value of getting the actual document rather than relying on what you can read online.
This is the difficulty I'm having, I'm unable to find any cert. online but other Anesbury and Brooks researchers have Andrew Anesbury born in Essex 1824 and marrying a Margaret Ann Bennett in Melbourne 15 SEP. 1855. She was born in Torkay, Devonshire. Born 1834
I think Andrew arrived in Australia on board the Amazon. They may have met on the ship coming over.
Frustrating.
Actual images of both the 1855 marriage certificate and the 1856 birth certificate are both available to download immediately from the Victorian BDM via their online purchase option. They will cost you $24.50 each.
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
It is often wise to actually obtain the actual image of the record rather than rely on what you can see online from other people's trees. The image that you can download from Vic BDM for that 1855 marriage should be a serious contender for a MUST HAVE document. It will have first hand information that both Andrew and Margaret provided to the clergyman who married them. Victoria's BDM certificates are very very detailed, and are reknown throughout the family history communities around the world as being among the most informative documents - as good as Scottish documents - and so much more detailed than say South Australia's BDM records.
JM
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
What to expect on Vic BDM registrations ! :D
JM
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Tried various spellings of Anesbury but came up with nothing.
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:D
Tried various spellings of Anesbury but came up with nothing.
Vic BDM
Margaret BENNETT and Andrew ANSBERY marriage registered 1855, #2166. This document should give you information about the respective parents of Margaret and of Andrew. To me, if this was my family, it would be a 'must have' document.
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JM
Please consider trying as per above.
JM
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I wonder if this is your Andrew and Margaret?
"I, ANDREW AINSBURY, of Tarcowie, hereby give notice that I will NOT be RESPONSIBLE for any DEBTS contracted by my WIFE, Margaret Ainsbury, after this date, 13th December, 1877. ANDREW AINSBURY. Witness ROBERT BROWN, Jamestown."
29 Dec 1877 " South Australian Chronicle and Weekly Mail" (and also on 22 Dec 1877)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article90946294
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Looks like the above "A Ansbury" land selection:
"Hundred Tarcowie, County Dalhousie - Sec 148, 313 acres, A. Ansbury, Mannanarie, shepherd."
15 Jan 1875 "South Australian Register"
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article40082745
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Interesting, could be him will look into it.
In regards to marriage certificate due to not having a credit card or living in Victoria as well as Victoria BDM not having downloadable application forms it remains out of my reach for the time being.
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According to their website they accept EFTPOS, personal cheques, money orders, etc .... EFTPOS ... likely that would include debit cards ..
JM
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Still prefer a form to post along with cheque or money order like you can in S.A.
Was unable to find one on their site (downloadable)
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Whilst I haven't seen a baptism, there is Mary born c1832 (who appears in the 1851 census), and another John born c1827 (in the 1871 census). So they are 2 more. ;)
I've found what I assume are their baptisms on FreeReg:
John ANSTY bap 10 Dec 1826 at All Saints, Dovercourt - parents George (labourer) and Ann
Mary HANSBURY b 5 May 1831, bap 19 Jun 1831, same details as above.
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Another baptism at Dovercourt that could be this family:
Sarah Ann ARSHEY? b 16 Oct 1812, bap 29 Nov 1812, parents George and Ann
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Hi there,
Found Andrew ANESBURY's burial in South Australia in 1889.
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/
In searching for Andrew and for Margaret, in South Australia I have come across the following, which I think are likely to be relevant to Martin's family history. I have not yet found any independent online resource confirming that Andrew came from 'England' or naming his parents.
A DOUBLE - DOUBLE WEDDING
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/207613397 Express Telegraph 18 March 1887
ANSBURY-FISHER and FISHER-ANSBURY by Reverend C MARTIN.
Margaret ANESBURY aged 26, married Charles Templer FISHER aged 27, on 16 March 1887, at the residence of Mrs E Fisher, Yanyarrie, Frome, Sth Australia, Margaret was the daughter of Andrew ANESBURY and Charles Templer FISHER was the son of Charles FISHER.
John James ANESBURY aged 28, married Martha Eliza FISHER, aged 25 on 16 March 1887 at the residence of Mrs E FISHER, Yanyarrie, Frome, Sth Australia. John James father was Andrew ANESBURY. Martha Eliza’s father was Charles FISHER.
And there’s
Eliza Maria Fisher ANESBURY, aged 19, daughter of Andrew ANESBURY, married William Henry HAYWOOD on 10 September 1887 at the residence of Mr COOMBS, Yongala, Clare, Sth Australia. William was aged 21 and the son of Henry HAYWOOD. The Ref no. is 152/831
Jessie Adeline ANESBURY was born 20 February 1888, at Yanyarrie, Frome, Sth Australia. Her parents were John James ANESBURY and Martha Eliza FISHER. Ref. 411/20
Death
Andrew ANESBREY, of Yongala, Clare, Sth Australia,a married man, died 20 October 1889, aged 61 years. The informant was William HAYWOOD, his son in law.
Burial
Andrew ANESBURY, of Yongala Cowie, death 20th October 1889 … see https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/112189216/andrew-anesbury
Death
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/207964248 Evening Journal 19 Dec 1901
ANESBURY
On the 7th December, at the Port Augusta Hospital, after a short illness, John James, the kind and loving husband of Martha E Anesbury, of Yanyarrie, aged 43 years, leaving a wife and six children to mourn their sad loss.
JM
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Thanks to Maddys52 for the extra names so far, will look into these, and I will be looking at purchasing marriage certificate for Andrew soon so will eventually let you know. Interesting that find a grave has his place of birth as England.
Regards M
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BDM Victoria will only except credit cards or PayPal
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BDM Victoria will only except credit cards or PayPal
From the following website today https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/about-us/fees
Payment methods
BDM accepts:
EFTPOS
Credit card (No AMEX or Diners Club)
Bank cheque
Money order
Personal cheques
BDM does not accept:
Cash
International bank cheques
Make bank cheques and money orders payable to "Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages."
JM
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And also from today, scrolling down on same link ...
Family history products and services
Product
Price
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Uncertified historical image
Fee for an uncertified image of an historical birth, marriage or death certificate.
Note
The information on an uncertified image is identical to the information on an historical certificate for the same event.
You can purchase uncertified images while searching the online indexes.
You can also purchase uncertified images separately online or by mail; you must provide the registration number and registration year of the birth, marriage or death for the image you want. ....
JM
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https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
Discounted for August 2019 ONLY
Records of births, marriages and deaths can provide unique insight into your family history and identity.
Special offer - August 2019
To mark family history month, we have reduced the price of our downloadable uncertified historical certificates to $20. This limited offer is for August 2019 only.
JM
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Sorry but every time I get to the payment section the only options given are credit card or PayPal
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https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/contact-us
Perhaps you need to contact them directly and ask for assistance.
JM
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Hi. Andrew Anesbury and Margaret Bennett appear to be my gg grandparents. I may be able to help with more information
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Hi Roger,
Any info is of great interest. I don't have a death for Margaret Ann Bennett.
Also how far back have you been able to go ? I have Andrew's parents as George Anesbury and Ann Gough.
My connection is through Annie Letitia Anesbury and Thomas Brooks my gg grandparents.
Regards Martin
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I have also got to George Ansby and Ann Gough. It's possible that Margaret remarried and died under a different name because of the newspaper notice re debts in her name. I have a picture of Andrew Anesbury's grave. There is some odd thing about it in that it appears to be in Yongala, South Australia. It is given elsewhere as Yongala-Cowie which is a locality near Warooka, South Australia ( which is unlikely given that the grave is in Yongala 200km away). regards, Roger
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