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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Deryn on Monday 28 February 11 21:48 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I've been given a photo by my mum of my gr grandfather John Alfred Leadsome.
He is wearing some form of naval uniform on a ship. I don't know if the uniform is merchant navy or royal navy. The photo shows he has 2 bands around the sleeve at the bottom. So does anyone know what rank this would be ?
many thanks,
Deryn
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Hello Deryn. You sure John Alfred is not a fireman? His father Edward was a Ship Steward. I will pm you with some details. Mind you, John Alfred could have been in the 1st World War. You can always post your picture on the Photos Forum for verification.
Madri
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Can you post the photo on here, please.
Two gold bands, the top one with a loop in it, could be a Lieutenant.
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Thanks you two,
I think it is John Alfred. Yes I have seen he was a fireman in 1911. Perhaps 1st world war then ?
I'm thinking it could be merchant navy as the bands are straight with no loops !
Deryn
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Do you know what year he was born ?
allan :)
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Hello all. Birth details and Census as listed. Also family are all Cheshire!
Birth
John Alfred LEADSOM
Dec 1887 / Birkenhead
Vol no: 8a / Page No: 514
1891 Census - LEADSOME
RG12 / 2892 / 91 / 16
8 Hughes Lane, Oxten, Birkenhead
1901 Census - LEADSOME
RG13 / 3399 / 9 / 9
5 Storeton road Salem View, Birkenhead
By 1911 John is married to Mary Shaw and living in Birkenhead.
Marriage
John Leadsome/ Mary Shaw
June 1907 / Birkenhead
Vol No: 8a / Page No: 1043
Madri
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Hiya ..
www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
1887
LEADSOM John Alfred Tranmere Wirral TRA/47/20
1907
Leadsome John Shaw Mary .. Birkenhead Civil Marriage .. Wirral .. BW/68/51
allan
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This site might help you if you still think he was Merchant navy?
Click here for merchant navy help (http://www.nmm.ac.uk/researchers/library/research-guides/the-merchant-navy/research-guide-c13-the-merchant-navy-tracing-merchant-seamen-sources-of-information-in-the-national-maritime-museum)
Migky ;)
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Thanks for that site Migky...a handy one to bookmark...cheers.....allan
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Ya welcome Allan ;D
Now could this be the right man and be the answer to the original post?
John Leadsome born abt 1886 age 36 in 1922.
Sailing from St John, New Brunswick, Canada to Liverpool, England
Arrived 15 Dec 1922
Ship Name: Marburn , part of Canadian Pacific Steamship Line number 111248
John's home address was 46Woodville road, Berkenhead.
John's was a " Bedroom steward" on board the ship.
Image of the ships passenger list and a photo of the ship are on A*****y site.
PM if you struggle find it.
Migky ;)
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Sorry, image of the ship is not on that site but as i am not allowed to modify my post on this section it was to late once i had pressed send ::)
Alittle bit about the ship.
Marburn Built by Alexander Stephen & Sons, Ltd., Glasgow, Scotland. Tonnage: 10,743. Dimensions: 500' x 59'. Twin-screw, 16 knots. Triple expansion engines. Two masts and one funnel.
History: First sailing as Marburn, Liverpool to St. John, New Brunswick, November 17, 1922. Sold to Italian shipbreakers in August 1928. Ex-Tunisian (1922).
Migky ;)
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Found an image and a little more of it's history ;D
Just hope it is your man now?
Click here for ships image (http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&imageid=393&text=&categoryid=5&box=&shownew=)
Funny enough, a member of my family said on this shame ship then called SS Tunisian to Canada, and placed in Barnardo's Home.
The Tunisian seemed to be the primary carrier of British Home Children making as many as 8 to 10 trips per year.
Migky ;)
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Better photos on this site.
S.S. Tunisian
(http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/CP2.html#anchor493836)
Migky ;)
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Hey thanks for all the info.
It's such a lot to take in and because you have made such an effort I double checked with my mum about the photo. She said it is definitely my dads father, John Alfred Leadsome.
I shall go over all the info again and check the links you have suggested.
Any developments I shall get back to you.
Deryn
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If this is the correct person
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=8485380&queryType=1&resultcount=1
and it seems he had Merchant Navy service after 1918 (sailed on MARBURN 1922) then there is a good chance he has records in the Fourth register of merchant seamen (Central Index)
Cost you £15 to find out.
http://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-leisure/artsheritage/history/maritimehistory/centralindex.aspx
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Cheers Seaweed,
that is very interesting and worth looking into.
many thanks,
Deryn
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Hi Deryn
Found a few Leadsome's on the pilot.familysearch.org if you just type in Leadsome - All events - United Kingdom - Exact Match Only - you should get 4 pages of info which may well help you find other members.
Bendywendy