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I am hoping that someone will be able to check burials at St Mary's Portsea for me. I have some approx dates from the wills but am not able to get down to Portsmouth to check the parish registers myself.
I'm looking for my 5th Great Grandparents:
Richard Ellis (born about 1740), death probate was 16 Aug 1802
Mary Ellis nee Horton - again born about 1740. She made her will on the 19 February 1803 and the will was sworn on the 15 January 1807.
Any help would be much appreciated, especially if there are any ages as I don't know exactly when they were born.
Thanks
Val
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These seem to be the only ones that "fit" but no ages given unfotunately !
Buriels
04 Jul 1798-Richard ELLIS at Portsea
24 Nov 1806-Mary ELLIS at Hambledon
A lot of ELLIS buriels at Hambledon in the 1700s and HOLTENs around Havant - if that helps !
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Many thanks for the very quick response. I think that Mary Ellis at Hambledon is probably the right one as her will was proved on the 15 Jan 1807. Plus the family did move from Hambledon sometime after 1788, so it's likely that this is my Mary.
Not sure about Richard however, his will was proved in August 1802 and it seems quite a long time between 1798 and 1802. Could I ask, is there any information on where they were living (they were in Milton at the time)?
Thanks again
Val
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Hi
Yes,there is this one but I thought he waould be too old !!
Maybe not-
20 Nov 1802-Richard ELLIS 71 at Hambledon
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Thanks so much for your help, but I don't think that the Nov 1802 burial is right as the will was proved on the 16 August 1802.
I'll keep looking, but again, thanks for your help.
Regards
Val
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Since you have the will, are there any indications in it as to where Richard was living, who his relatives were. When did he sign it in relation to when the probate was granted. It's possible the 1798 burial might be your man.
Nell
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Hi Nell, thanks for the reply.
He was living in Milton when his will was proved (as was his wife who died in 1806 but was buried in Hambledon). You are right, that the 1798 burial could be him, but it seems odd that his wife looks like she was buried back in Hambledon where they came from.
The information from the will is very difficult to read and there doesn't appear to be any date, in fact the document looks more like a summary than the actual will - it was found by another member of my family and I unfortunately don't know the source of it. Yesterday I have found the will reference on the Hampshire Records Office site and have sent for it as it appears to be a copy of the original will (which hopefully will be different to what I already have) - that might give me more infomation.
Richard and Mary had quite a few children and all the ones we know about are listed in the will, including excellent provision for a child, Obediah, who, the will states 'has laboured under mental and bolidy infirmities since his birth, not able of earning his own living'. Richard then placed ' implicit confidence' in his wife that she would support him and, if he doesn't predecease her, make ample provision for him after her death. Her will, written in February 1803, does just this. Which is another reason why I think that the 1798 date could be wrong, as Mary makes her Will dealing with the maintenance of Obediah shortly after her husband, Richards, will is proved in August 1802.
Looks like it's a visit to Portsea & Hambledon in the summer to look round the graveyards and see if there's a stone.
Regards
Val
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A burial in Portsea at that date - especially if it was at St Mary's - may not have a surviving headstone, if one was erected. The current church was only built in the 1880s and there was another before that which replaced the one in existence at the time of this burial. The churchyard at St Mary's was cleared of headstones in the 1950s, I think. Some were placed around the walls at the churchyard boundary, but considering the potential number of headstones, it's possible not all survive.
Nell
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Hi Val
If you'd like an image of the church before it was pulled down in 1843, see the attached thread, replies 18 and 19
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,396444.15.html
If you ask Steve G on that thread he'll probably be able to send you a copy too.
Fascinating to see long lost places like this :)
Heather
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Hello everybody
Just spotted this string and seeing Elis & HAmbledon mentioned thought I'd see if anyone can assist me or is connected.
I am looking for info about my Ellis family of Hambledon. I have Thomas chr 7/11/1759 in Hambledon & who married Jane Winson 1/11/1778 in Chiddingfold & moved there. He has siblings Jane chr 13/3/1757 & Hannah chr 9/4/1765 also in Hambledon. Their parents are listed on IGI as James & Mary. And that is as far as I got.
Any ideas anyone.
All help gratefully appreciated
Thanks
Mick
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Hi Mick
I'm sorry I can't help you, but I'm sure there is a connection between your Thomas (1759) and my Richard. I don't have a christening for Richard, but he married on the 19 Aug 1760 to Mary Horton and continued to live in Hambledon until sometime after 1788 when they moved to Portsea.
I don't have parents for my Richard, but I suspect that my Richard and your James (parents of Thomas) might have been brothers - but how to prove it?
If you find the link then I am more than happy to share what I have of the very large Ellis family that my Richard and Mary spawned, some very interesting intermarriages through the generations makes for complicated reading. Just send me a person message through Rootsweb.
Keep in touch on your research, and I'll do the same.
Regards
Val
ps: Rootsweb was great, the information given allowed me to find Richards burial in 1802.
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Hi I am a descendent of Richard Ellis. I have been doing family tree with Ancestry u k and found Richard & Mary Horton on there and just happened to do a search for Richard - Hampshire and your link came up.
If you have any information about my past history I would be grateful
Thanks Dean Andrew Ellis
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Hi Dean
Delighted to meet an Ellis cousin. I'd love to find out how we link. Can I suggest you send me a post on Ancestry and then I can give you my email and we can find out how we relate - and I can then give you access to my extensive tree (called Hellewell Tree (Part) ).
Val