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Title: Pottagh
Post by: anneenglish on Sunday 27 February 11 09:11 GMT (UK)
Hi
Does anyone know who used to own the Pottagh Estate in the 1800's? It was left to a relative of mine Elizabeth Coates (nee Spencer) in a will by an Aunt Nugent sometime between 1816 and 1897. Elizabeth then sold it to the Government. We have no idea who Aunt Nugent was, any help would ne much appreciated.
Thanks
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: kingskerswell on Sunday 27 February 11 09:32 GMT (UK)
Hi,
   It may not help much but the whole townland of Pottagh, 155 acres, in Griffiths Valuation of 1858 was rented by a John Wilson from Sir Henry H. Bruce.

Regards
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 February 11 10:02 GMT (UK)
Most people at this period (before 1900) would have been tenants and not owned their farms outright (although some places, like the Marquis of Waterford's Estate sold c1870, had been sold off earlier).
Pottagh is the name of a townland, not an estate, in Dunboe area.
Sir Henry Hervey Bruce (1820-1909) was a local landowner and is the man whose name appears in Griffith's Valuation.

Griffith's Valuation is dated 1859 for Pottagh area- the printed pages can be viewed here (search by name or place): www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
There are Valuation notebooks which updates the printed information and with the notebooks you can follow a property until the 1920s but they are in PRONI which is closed until the end of March (www.proni.gov.uk).

Think the first thing to do is get more details about where this property might have been, etc. PRONI also have Will Extracts, and some copies of Wills, online. However, if "Aunt Nugent" had her will probated/estate administered before 1858 it will not be listed here.
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm
PRONI has an information leaflet (http://www.proni.gov.uk/07_-_your_family_tree_series_-_wills_and_testamentary_records.pdf) explaining about Wills and it mentions details for pre-1858
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 February 11 10:24 GMT (UK)
Belfast Gazette, 6 May 1932, lists Pottagh under Estate of Sir Hervey John William Bruce (a minor) under the Court of the Land Commission (Land Purchase Acts) so it looks as though tenants wouldn't have been actually buying their land until quite a bit after World War I.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: kingskerswell on Sunday 27 February 11 13:14 GMT (UK)
Hi,
   1831 census for Co. Londonderry lists two households in Pottagh townland. One is headed by Hudson Wilson and the other by John Wilson.

Regards
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: anneenglish on Sunday 27 February 11 15:18 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your help. The extract from Elizabeth Spencer Coates will that I have refers to the 'pottagh estate' I can however find no concrete link between Henry Hervey Bruce and the 'Nugent' family. This is all very confusing! Elizabeth was born in Portarlington in County Laois and I have not managed to find any details of her parents either.
I will keep looking, maybe a trip to Ireland is needed
Thanks again
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 27 February 11 15:40 GMT (UK)
The extract from Elizabeth Spencer Coates will that I have refers to the 'pottagh estate'
What extract? more details might help solve this mystery.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: anneenglish on Monday 28 February 11 08:56 GMT (UK)
Hi
The abstract is from Elizabeths will, it reads"the sum of £567 at present retained by the Irish land Commission being two fifths of the value paid by them for my Pottagh Estate in Ireland"
Elizabeth died in 1898. I think that Henry Hervey Bruce must have brought the estate from the Land Commission before the Griffiths Valuation, after Elizabeth had sold it to them. I have tried the Land Commission but am trapped in a burocratic circle as I have no dates and no more evidence. I did find an old map from the 1830's on the web that did show Pottagh as an Estate, however I cannot find it again no matter how hard I search!
Any more ideas would be very helpful
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Friday 19 April 13 22:27 BST (UK)
Hi - I'm interested in the Wilsons of Pottagh since they may be connected to my own Wilsons who emigrated from Ballywildrick to Mauch Chunk, Carbon Co., PA in 1839 and Articlave to Philadelphia, PA in 1846. Both Townlands are in Dunboe Parish, and Pottagh is just down the road from Articlave. I know Charles Wilson leased Pottagh in 1796 from the Bishop of Derry, and it remained in the family at least through the lide of John Wilson Jr. who married Sarah Hazlett, dau. of Isaac Hazlett/Hezlett of Liffock. A Charles Wilson, age 25, emigrated to Philadelphia ca. 1834-35 according to the O.S. Memoirs. He eventually made his way to Mauch Chunk / Summit Hill, PA where he married a Martha McLean. By 1850 they had moved to Port Richmond just north of Philadelphia, and in 1852 Charles Wilson died there. Martha then married John Lyle, son of Revd. William Lyle of the First Dunboe in Articlave.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Friday 19 April 13 22:46 BST (UK)
Thanks for the "Aunt Nugent" connection since it sounds as if she may be connected by marriage. To further confuse the issue, there was a Charles Wilson who held land in Maddybenny, Agherton Parish according to the 1831 census. This may be the same Charles Wilson who leased Pottagh in 1796 although I have found no evidence of this. There were 6 dwellings in Maddybenny in 1831, two of which were occupied by Wilson families, 2 by Law families and 2 others. 
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: kingskerswell on Saturday 20 April 13 08:02 BST (UK)
Hi,
   John Wilson married Sarah Jane Hazlett in 1864. He died in 1880 and a copy of his will is available on line at http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx

Regards
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Saturday 20 April 13 14:45 BST (UK)
Good stuff - thanks very much! It's been years since I've been to PRONI and a lot has changed in the interim.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: RonPr on Saturday 05 April 14 20:47 BST (UK)
  Hi -  I too am interested in the Wilson family of Pottagh. My ancestors Charles Price and Mary Wilson married in 1811 in Coleraine. A newspaper notice said both were from Coleraine, but if so, then perhaps only for a short period - Charles was actually from Ballintoy parish in Co Antrim. I wonder is there a clue to Mary’s origin in a later lease. In 1828 Charles' father leased a house to his other son John just before he married - this lease was for the three lives of "John Willson of Pottagh in the County of Londonderry" and his sons Charles and John. This was very much an inter-family lease and there must be some good reason why John Willson was selected as a life. Was he perhaps Charles Price’s brother-in-law? This is a theory I would love to prove or disprove. Any further information on the Pottagh Wilsons would be gratefully received.  Thanks.
Title: Re:Wilsons of Pottagh and Maddybenny
Post by: mbxled on Sunday 06 April 14 05:08 BST (UK)
I have a lease dated ca. 1796, that granted Pottagh to Charles Wilson. His son, also Charles Wilson, is mentioned in the OS Memoirs as emigrating to Philadelphia ca 1834, age 25. He went from Philadelphia to Mauch Chunk or Summit Hill, Carbon Co., PA There he m. Martha McLean who may have been connected with the McLeans of Farrenlester. He d. 1852 in Port Richmond, which is now part of Philadelphia. Martha m(2), John Lyle, son of Rev. Wm Lyle of the First Dunboe and moved to Adams Co., IL.  I think the John Wilson who m. Sarah Jane Hazlett was a son of a John Wilson, who may have been the one you mention. There was a Charles Wilson in Maddybenny, Agherton in 1831, and I've thought he may have been connected with Pottagh. - Dan
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: jc keller on Friday 11 April 14 20:13 BST (UK)
I am part of that Wilson Family from Pottagh.   My branch descends from  Charles Wilson and Elizabeth Cust Wilson to  Hudson Cust Wilson (Charles jr.'s brother) to the son of Hudson Cust Wilson and Sarah Thompson whose name was Thomas. Thomas moved to the US and married Mary MacLean (daughter of Alexander MacLean and Elizabeth Swan). According to a letter I have from Thomas: Pottagh was in the family for over 200 years by 1856, he assumed that all Wilsons living at Pottagh had died or left Ireland.  We believe that the John Wilson wing of the family stayed on at Pottagh until John Wilson died in 1943 and his stepchildren left in 1963.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: jc keller on Friday 11 April 14 20:22 BST (UK)
One more notation:
Charles was 5 ft 11.  He came from Ireland to Mauch Ghunck, now Jim Thorpe, PA in 1835 or 1836.  Martha McLean was a sister of Thomas's father-in-law (Grandfather Alexander McLean (MacLean))who was the father of Mary McLean.  Thus Thomas married his aunt’s niece. Charles and Martha had two children who died at an early age in Jim Thorpe, PA.  Charles was a shipping agent at Jim Thorpe until 1845.  Thomas Wilson stayed with his uncle Charles and Aunt Martha Wilson when he first came to the US  in 1843.  He moved to Summit Hill, PA and kept a boarding house for a short time.  Then he moved to Port Richmond, near Philadelphia, built and owned brick houses there.   Martha went to Quincy to be with her sister Mary MacLean, and Nancy Knox.  Marth married a second time to John Lyle, son of Reverend William Lyle the pastor of Hudson Wilson from Articlave, Ireland.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Friday 11 April 14 22:42 BST (UK)
I am part of that Wilson Family from Pottagh.   My branch descends from  Charles Wilson and Elizabeth Cust Wilson to  Hudson Cust Wilson (Charles jr.'s brother) to the son of Hudson Cust Wilson and Sarah Thompson whose name was Thomas. Thomas moved to the US and married Mary MacLean (daughter of Alexander MacLean and Elizabeth Swan). According to a letter I have from Thomas: Pottagh was in the family for over 200 years by 1856, he assumed that all Wilsons living at Pottagh had died or left Ireland.  We believe that the John Wilson wing of the family stayed on at Pottagh until John Wilson died in 1943 and his stepchildren left in 1963.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Friday 11 April 14 22:59 BST (UK)
Yes, I remember seeing HOdson Wilson in the 1831 census along with a Cochran Wilson, whom I suspected was a brother or cousin. So you write his name with a "u" rather than "o?" I didn't know the middle name of "Cust" so thanks for that. I believe the Thomas Wilson you mention was the treasurer for the National Bank OF Wilkes Barre (?) that was founded by Alexander McLean when he retired from managing the mines at Summit Hill. Pottagh was in the family for over 200 years? That would make it around 1656. The Cromwell years, I believe. Where were they before that? Were they connected with the Wilsons of Maddybenny in Agherton? My own ancestor, James Wilson, emigrated from Articlave in 1839 and wound up in either Summit Hill or Mauch Chunk. He was 19 or 20 years old. His name appears in the marriage records of Rev. Richard Webster, pastor of the First Presby Ch of Mauch CHunk. Webster was also the founding minister of the church at Summit Hill. James Wilson was a member of the First Dunboe in Articlave before emigrating. His older brother was John Alexander Wilson who married in Ireland and emigrated in 1846 to Philadelphia, eventually settling in Catasauqua some time after 1850. James Wilson had settled in Catasauqua in 1857 where he worked for the Crane Iron Works.

Maybe you should contact me directly - I have a lot more info on the McLeans, and we should compare notes on our Wilsons.

Dan Wilson (*)

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Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Friday 11 April 14 23:08 BST (UK)
One more notation:
Charles was 5 ft 11.  He came from Ireland to Mauch Ghunck, now Jim Thorpe, PA in 1835 or 1836.  Martha McLean was a sister of Thomas's father-in-law (Grandfather Alexander McLean (MacLean))who was the father of Mary McLean.  Thus Thomas married his aunt’s niece. Charles and Martha had two children who died at an early age in Jim Thorpe, PA.  Charles was a shipping agent at Jim Thorpe until 1845.  Thomas Wilson stayed with his uncle Charles and Aunt Martha Wilson when he first came to the US  in 1843.  He moved to Summit Hill, PA and kept a boarding house for a short time.  Then he moved to Port Richmond, near Philadelphia, built and owned brick houses there.   Martha went to Quincy to be with her sister Mary MacLean, and Nancy Knox.  Marth married a second time to John Lyle, son of Reverend William Lyle the pastor of Hudson Wilson from Articlave, Ireland.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Friday 11 April 14 23:18 BST (UK)
At 5'11" Charles was tall for the time. Yes, the OS Memoirs give his year of emigration as 1834, age 25. I wonder if your Martha McLean was also aboard the ship Bowditch that sailed from Liverpool to NYC 27 May 1839? My James Wilson was aboard that same ship along with a bunch of McLeans. He may have traveled with them. If I understand your comment, you mean that Martha and Mary McLean were sisters and both daughters of Alexander McLean and Elizabeth Swan? DId they also carry "Swan" as a middle name the way the sons did? The boarding house you mention maybe the one on Pump St, Summit Hill which had been run by Alexander & Elizabeth McLean. I knew about Martha marrying John Lyle and moving to Adams Co., IL, near Quincy (Ellington Twp, as I recall) after Charles' death. I also recall finding Samuel Knox in the census of ADams CO., after he moved from Summit Hill. Do you know how Charles died?
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Kin-Sleuth on Tuesday 15 April 14 12:48 BST (UK)
I am part of that Wilson Family from Pottagh.   My branch descends from  Charles Wilson and Elizabeth Cust Wilson to  Hudson Cust Wilson (Charles jr.'s brother) to the son of Hudson Cust Wilson and Sarah Thompson whose name was Thomas. Thomas moved to the US and married Mary MacLean (daughter of Alexander MacLean and Elizabeth Swan). According to a letter I have from Thomas: Pottagh was in the family for over 200 years by 1856, he assumed that all Wilsons living at Pottagh had died or left Ireland.  We believe that the John Wilson wing of the family stayed on at Pottagh until John Wilson died in 1943 and his stepchildren left in 1963.

Assuming the Elizabeth Cust Wilson in your post is the same person as I know as Elizabeth Cust, I am too a descendant of Charles Wilson and Elizabeth Cust Wilson via their son, Cochran(e) (who lived at Ballyreagh) and his daughter, Jane who migrated to South Australia in the 1850s with her husband, William Alexander Moody (from Magilligan).  I would be very interested in comparing notes with both you and other relatives who have posted on this thread in order to better understand the layout of the family.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: kingskerswell on Tuesday 15 April 14 15:00 BST (UK)
Hi,
    There is quite a bit of information on the Moodys of Magilligan on a couple of earlier threads. See
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=588116.msg4391794#msg4391794

Regards
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Thursday 17 April 14 16:45 BST (UK)
I am part of that Wilson Family from Pottagh.   My branch descends from  Charles Wilson and Elizabeth Cust Wilson to  Hudson Cust Wilson (Charles jr.'s brother) to the son of Hudson Cust Wilson and Sarah Thompson whose name was Thomas. Thomas moved to the US and married Mary MacLean (daughter of Alexander MacLean and Elizabeth Swan). According to a letter I have from Thomas: Pottagh was in the family for over 200 years by 1856, he assumed that all Wilsons living at Pottagh had died or left Ireland.  We believe that the John Wilson wing of the family stayed on at Pottagh until John Wilson died in 1943 and his stepchildren left in 1963.

Assuming the Elizabeth Cust Wilson in your post is the same person as I know as Elizabeth Cust, I am too a descendant of Charles Wilson and Elizabeth Cust Wilson via their son, Cochran(e) (who lived at Ballyreagh) and his daughter, Jane who migrated to South Australia in the 1850s with her husband, William Alexander Moody (from Magilligan).  I would be very interested in comparing notes with both you and other relatives who have posted on this thread in order to better understand the layout of the family.


It sounds as if the three of us need to get together via email. I don't know if it's appropriate or not, but you may contact me directly.

Dan Wilson
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Thursday 17 April 14 17:56 BST (UK)
  Hi -  I too am interested in the Wilson family of Pottagh. My ancestors Charles Price and Mary Wilson married in 1811 in Coleraine. A newspaper notice said both were from Coleraine, but if so, then perhaps only for a short period - Charles was actually from Ballintoy parish in Co Antrim. I wonder is there a clue to Mary’s origin in a later lease. In 1828 Charles' father leased a house to his other son John just before he married - this lease was for the three lives of "John Willson of Pottagh in the County of Londonderry" and his sons Charles and John. This was very much an inter-family lease and there must be some good reason why John Willson was selected as a life. Was he perhaps Charles Price’s brother-in-law? This is a theory I would love to prove or disprove. Any further information on the Pottagh Wilsons would be gratefully received.  Thanks.

Ron - Don't know if you caught Jay's posting or not, but if not, he has an 1889 letter from his ancestor, Thomas Wilson, son of Hudson Wilson of Pottagh. In the letter, Thomas Wilson mentions his "Half Aunt Mary Wilson who married Charles Price of Ballymena." She had a brother John Wilson, both children were by Charles Wilson's firs wife ____Millen. It sounds as if the John Wilson you mention was Charles Price's brother-in-law. However, there were several John Wilsons, and it's difficult to keep them separated, so be careful!
 
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Thursday 17 April 14 17:57 BST (UK)

Ron - Don't know if you caught Jay's posting or not, but if not, he has an 1889 letter from his ancestor, Thomas Wilson, son of Hudson Wilson of Pottagh. In the letter, Thomas Wilson mentions his "Half Aunt Mary Wilson who married Charles Price of Ballymena." She had a brother John Wilson, both children were by Charles Wilson's firs wife ____Millen. It sounds as if the John Wilson you mention was Charles Price's brother-in-law. However, there were several John Wilsons, and it's difficult to keep them separated, so be careful!
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Kin-Sleuth on Friday 18 April 14 14:14 BST (UK)
Quote

It sounds as if the three of us need to get together via email. I don't know if it's appropriate or not, but you may contact me directly.

Dan Wilson

Hi Dan, I have just sent you an email. 
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Kin-Sleuth on Friday 18 April 14 14:15 BST (UK)
Hi,
    There is quite a bit of information on the Moodys of Magilligan on a couple of earlier threads. See
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=588116.msg4391794#msg4391794

Regards

Hi kingskerswell,
Thanks for the message.  I am already aware of the mentioned thread and as well as others on RootsChat concerning the MOODY family.  By the way, I am related to most of the people listed in the opening post.  I also personally know the author of the thread, i.e. 'Jack Gee'.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Zziggy47 on Wednesday 02 July 14 23:33 BST (UK)
Hello, I read your message about Elizabeth Cust Wilson. I'm interested in finding out about the Custs who lived in the Magilligan area of County Derry. Do you you Elizabeth Cust's parents' names by any chance? Thanks.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Kin-Sleuth on Thursday 03 July 14 08:24 BST (UK)
Hi Zziggy47,

In my part of 'the family', Elizabeth CUST's parents are known to be Hudson CUST and Eleanor REYNOLDS.  Can you advise in more detail your interest in the CUSTs of Magilligan parish?
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Zziggy47 on Thursday 03 July 14 15:02 BST (UK)
James CUST (1855-1901) and Rose Ann ALLEN CUST (1864-1929) were my great-grandparents. I've been tracing them back to when Henry CUST (1646-1716/17) and Margaret JONES CUST came from Yorkshire. I have some holes in that lineage and I've been trying to fill them in. I can get back to William Cust (1795-1868) and Rose LOGUE CUST (1796-1878). Can you help? Do you know who Hudson CUSTs parents were? I've come across a Hodgson CUST but I can't find where he fits either? Could he be your Hudson CUST? Any info you have would be appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Zziggy47 on Thursday 03 July 14 15:18 BST (UK)
I also have REYNOLDS in my family tree. I have James REYNOLDS (d. 1851) who married Maria LURTING CUST, the widow of John CUST (1772-1825). Is Elizabeth REYNOLDS related to James REYNOLDS?
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: kingskerswell on Thursday 03 July 14 16:14 BST (UK)
Zziggy,
         There is a small booklet, researched and published by Bobby Forrest entitled "Historical gleanings from the Parish of Magilligan, County Derry, 1600-1800". this gives small snippets of  information on the Cust families in Magilligan, mainly in the 1700s. See  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Magilligan-parish-Co-Derry-History-Genealogy-/260756042474?hash=item3cb64572ea&pt=Non_Fiction#ht_516wt_1141

Regards
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Zziggy47 on Thursday 03 July 14 16:45 BST (UK)
Thank you for the info on "Historical gleanings from the Parish of Magilligan, County Derry, 1600-1800." I went to ebay but it's no longer offered. Do you know of another source for the book? I have "Genealogical gleanings of the Scots-Irish in county Londonderry, Ireland" by the same author, Bobby Forrest.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: kingskerswell on Thursday 03 July 14 17:58 BST (UK)
Zziggy,
          Sorry about the booklet not being available. I found the info on an early Rootschat link and just copied it.

Regards
       
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Kin-Sleuth on Thursday 03 July 14 23:51 BST (UK)
James CUST (1855-1901) and Rose Ann ALLEN CUST (1864-1929) were my great-grandparents. I've been tracing them back to when Henry CUST (1646-1716/17) and Margaret JONES CUST came from Yorkshire. I have some holes in that lineage and I've been trying to fill them in. I can get back to William Cust (1795-1868) and Rose LOGUE CUST (1796-1878). Can you help? Do you know who Hudson CUSTs parents were? I've come across a Hodgson CUST but I can't find where he fits either? Could he be your Hudson CUST? Any info you have would be appreciated. Thanks.

Hi Zziggy47

James CUST and his wife, Rose Ann ALLEN, are in the line known as the Canadian CUSTs.  This information is in a published history about the CUST family which was recommended to me by a descendant of James and Rose.

Hudson CUST, as advised previously, is the name that my branch uses.  It appears that he was also known as Hodson - this was found in the death notice for his daughter, Olivia, published in the Coleraine Chronicles.  I also found another source associated with the REYNOLDS family that uses Hugeson.  The CUST family history mentions Hodgson CUST in association with the Old Church of St Cadan (in Magilligan) and is also mentioned as being married to Elinor (sic) REYNOLDS.  So, it is speculated that Hodgson (or Hugeson), Hodson and Hudson are the same person and that Hodgson became Hodson and then became Hudson which is still used as a first or middle name in one branch of his descendants.  I was also recently given Elizabeth CUST’s birth date which allowed the estimation of Hudson’s own birth date.  It was suggested to me that Hudson could either be a grandson or a great-grandson of Henry CUST and Margaret JONES.  Unfortunately, there is no more information about Hudson at this time.

At a later time, I will send you a PM about the CUST family history.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Kin-Sleuth on Friday 04 July 14 00:22 BST (UK)
I also have REYNOLDS in my family tree. I have James REYNOLDS (d. 1851) who married Maria LURTING CUST, the widow of John CUST (1772-1825). Is Elizabeth REYNOLDS related to James REYNOLDS?

Assuming that you meant ‘Ellenor REYNOLDS’ rather than ‘Elizabeth REYNOLDS’, a REYNOLDS family source suggests that they may be first cousins once removed.  James is reported in the Cust family history as living in the townland of Carrowreagh which appears to be in the southern end of Magilligan while Ellinor's parents are reported by the REYNOLDS family source as living on one of the townlands known as Doaghs which are located on the north coast of Magilligan. 
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: kingskerswell on Friday 04 July 14 11:21 BST (UK)
Hi,
   Mention of the Canadian Custs brought the following to mind.

From the Londonderry Sentinal of 5 Nov 1858.  " on the 7th ult at Peterboro', Canada West, Mossom Boyd Esq. son of the late Captain Gardner Boyd and nephew of  Lt. Gen. Boyd H.E.I.C.S. to Letitia Magee, only daughter of the late Henry Cust  Esq. Magilligan and niece of Major Gen. Blackall, Bengal Army."

 On 17 May 1808 Henry Cust had married Mary Blackall in Magilligan Church of Ireland.

Regards
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Friday 04 July 14 15:18 BST (UK)
James CUST (1855-1901) and Rose Ann ALLEN CUST (1864-1929) were my great-grandparents. I've been tracing them back to when Henry CUST (1646-1716/17) and Margaret JONES CUST came from Yorkshire. I have some holes in that lineage and I've been trying to fill them in. I can get back to William Cust (1795-1868) and Rose LOGUE CUST (1796-1878). Can you help? Do you know who Hudson CUSTs parents were? I've come across a Hodgson CUST but I can't find where he fits either? Could he be your Hudson CUST? Any info you have would be appreciated. Thanks.

There was a Hodson Wilson - spelled with an 'o' in the 1831 census of Dunboe parish, Co. Londonderry. He was the son of Charles Wilson and Elizabeth Cust.  "Hodson" was probably a family name, and there's been discussion about the name having once been Hodgson, but through variations in pronunciation has become Hudson.



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Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mef518 on Sunday 24 May 15 22:07 BST (UK)
While I am not descended from the Wilsons, i AM very interested in the history of Pottagh.  My grandmother, Elizabeth Eagleson Farley, married John Wilson as a widow with 5 children in 1919.  My father was the youngest of those children and grew up on Pottagh;  John Wilson was the only father he really knew.  We went to visit my grandmother at Pottagh twice during the '50s.  Pottagh was willed by my grandmother to my father when she died in 1962.  While my father wished to retain the farm, it was too hard to maintain it from the States, where he had lived for many years.  He sold it to a family that still lives there.  We have visited Pottagh several times since, the last time just this month.  You may know that the RAF took over the farm, relegating John and Lizzie Wilson to just the house, during the war.  This website shows the bunkers that remain (scroll down to Castlerock Chain Home Station): http://ww2ni.webs.com/countylondonderrypt3.htm

I am part of that Wilson Family from Pottagh.   My branch descends from  Charles Wilson and Elizabeth Cust Wilson to  Hudson Cust Wilson (Charles jr.'s brother) to the son of Hudson Cust Wilson and Sarah Thompson whose name was Thomas. Thomas moved to the US and married Mary MacLean (daughter of Alexander MacLean and Elizabeth Swan). According to a letter I have from Thomas: Pottagh was in the family for over 200 years by 1856, he assumed that all Wilsons living at Pottagh had died or left Ireland.  We believe that the John Wilson wing of the family stayed on at Pottagh until John Wilson died in 1943 and his stepchildren left in 1963.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Kin-Sleuth on Monday 25 May 15 09:27 BST (UK)
Hi  mef518, Thank you for the post.  FYI, I am a WILSON descendant via a second marriage of John WILSON's ancestor, Charles WILSON.  While I personally did not know of the RAF use of the property which I first heard about in 2014, I will add the link to my collection.  Some of my half & full cousins may contact you to further clarify the history from your perspective when they read the post as your information does add to the WILSON family's long history of residence at Pottagh.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mef518 on Friday 29 May 15 02:17 BST (UK)
I would be happy to hear from any of the Wilsons.  Sadly, there were no children in the last generation living at Pottagh (John Leslie or his 2 sisters) so the line died out, which is why his step-son (my father) inherited the estate.

Hi  mef518, Thank you for the post.  FYI, I am a WILSON descendant via a second marriage of John WILSON's ancestor, Charles WILSON.  While I personally did not know of the RAF use of the property which I first heard about in 2014, I will add the link to my collection.  Some of my half & full cousins may contact you to further clarify the history from your perspective when they read the post as your information does add to the WILSON family's long history of residence at Pottagh.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Friday 29 May 15 02:35 BST (UK)
Hi mef518, I descend from James Wilson of Articlave who emigrated to NY in 1839, eventually making  his way to Catasauqua, Lehigh CO., PA by way of Mauch Chunk, Carbon CO., PA. His brother was John Alexander Wilson, also of Articlave, and he emigrated in 1846.  I have no documented proof of my connection to the Wilsons of Pottagh, but the proximity of the two families in Dunboe is interesting to say the least. 

I would be happy to hear from any of the Wilsons.  Sadly, there were no children in the last generation living at Pottagh (John Leslie or his 2 sisters) so the line died out, which is why his step-son (my father) inherited the estate.

Hi  mef518, Thank you for the post.  FYI, I am a WILSON descendant via a second marriage of John WILSON's ancestor, Charles WILSON.  While I personally did not know of the RAF use of the property which I first heard about in 2014, I will add the link to my collection.  Some of my half & full cousins may contact you to further clarify the history from your perspective when they read the post as your information does add to the WILSON family's long history of residence at Pottagh.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: RichardinMichigan on Friday 05 June 15 23:08 BST (UK)
There is an early Dunboe Parish will for James Cochran of " Patock in Dunbo" dated 6 November 1744 proved 21 July 1746 in which his son-in-law, John Wilson is listed as his sole executor.  This marriage of the Wilson family into the Cochran clan may account for the later "Cochran Wilson" found at Pottagh. 

My Cochran ancestors lived around Limavady and had a handful of children baptized at Ballykelly -- where, in 1709 one James Cochran "of Dunbo" married a Margaret Giffin/Giffen.  It's possible they were the parents-in-law of John Wilson.

Incidentally, one of the persistent DNA matches I have received through my ancestry.com test is through members of the Wilson family!  Our branch must have mixed it up with the Wilsons sometime back!

Richard Cochran
Big Rapids, Michigan

Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: Kin-Sleuth on Thursday 11 June 15 06:53 BST (UK)
There is an early Dunboe Parish will for James Cochran of " Patock in Dunbo" dated 6 November 1744 proved 21 July 1746 in which his son-in-law, John Wilson is listed as his sole executor.  This marriage of the Wilson family into the Cochran clan may account for the later "Cochran Wilson" found at Pottagh.

Hi RichardinMichigan,  this will along with the will of John Wilson (d. about 1781) were discussed during 2014 by various descendants of Charles Wilson who is the younger brother of the John Wilson discussed above .  I was particularly interested in this document as I am a descendant of Cochran Wilson and I & other close relatives have been wondering about the origin of the Cochran name.  I will attempt to send you a private message in the near future in order to ask some additional questions.
Title: Re: Pottagh
Post by: mbxled on Thursday 11 June 15 21:39 BST (UK)
Thanks - we have the will abstract you mention. If anything mentioning the parents of either James Cochran or John Wilson who married Jean Cochran, we'd appreciate knowing about it.

There is an early Dunboe Parish will for James Cochran of " Patock in Dunbo" dated 6 November 1744 proved 21 July 1746 in which his son-in-law, John Wilson is listed as his sole executor.  This marriage of the Wilson family into the Cochran clan may account for the later "Cochran Wilson" found at Pottagh.

Hi RichardinMichigan,  this will along with the will of John Wilson (d. about 1781) were discussed during 2014 by various descendants of Charles Wilson who is the younger brother of the John Wilson discussed above .  I was particularly interested in this document as I am a descendant of Cochran Wilson and I & other close relatives have been wondering about the origin of the Cochran name.  I will attempt to send you a private message in the near future in order to ask some additional questions.