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Title: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Mitch on Tuesday 19 April 05 22:40 BST (UK)
Hi,

I'm currently doing some research on the Munsters in France during the Great war and would like to hear from anyone who had a relative that served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers 2nd Bn.  I can also assist you if you need help finding more information on a relative that was killed during the war.  More specifically what I am after is any letters, diaries, medal records etc that you might have.  I am doing a PhD in this area and eventually hope to write a book about the Munsters during the Great War.  I also have access to the diaries of Fr Francis Gleeson, who served with the Munster's for several years.  He mentions how some men died and what they were doing at the time.  He also compiled Muster Rolls of the Munsters and these usually give an address. 

Thank you for taking time to read this posting.


Kind Regards,

Mitch
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Boreenatra on Monday 02 May 05 18:59 BST (UK)
Hi Mitch. Just read your posting and wonder if you have any info at all re RMF barracks in Tralee and the Tralee Military Cemetery in Killerisk. We have a relative buried there but can find very little information about him other than the fact he died before the Munsters left for various theatres of war. He was Pte. John Guerins and he died 23rd March 1915 at the Depot in Tralee aged 46. His service no. was 5189. I have posted a couple of questions on the forum, but your posting gave us some hope. I know this may be a little before the timescale you were talking about, but we would be interested in any info you might have or any links you might be able to provide.We've checked most of the sites but there is very little on soldiers who died at home. Any info greatly appreciated.Regards Steve
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Mitch on Friday 06 May 05 10:23 BST (UK)
Hi Steve,

John Guiern's left behind a wife, Bridget of Strand Street, Dungarvan.  You  can find details of this and the location of his grave on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site.  I do not have the address for this but you can type in cwgc in a Google search engine.  He is listed as Gueirn not Gueirn's.  Do you know if he joined the army before the First World War, if he did then it is possible that he saw action in Africa (although the Munsters were only there for several months).  Hope this helps.

Regards
Mitch.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Boreenatra on Friday 06 May 05 15:37 BST (UK)
Dear Mitch. Thanks for your reply. If you check my original posting you will the find the correct spelling for John's name. Here is his stone in the Tralee Military Cemetery. By the way where did you get the different spelling from? His 1901 census return is listed as Guirn, but the death records of his children are listed as Gearn, simply because there are so many wasys to pronounce Guerins. He was awarded the Burma Medal in 1902, and his papers state when asked of any previous military enlistments state The Waterford Regiment with a service no. of 2429 and also a reference to the Leinster Regiment.Also ,although it may be post 1902 there is also a reference to Athlone Station RFRA 5714. These things we are still trying to work out. He doesn't make it easy for us because his family history is listed as being " vague " but we are trying to find any other details of his early life. Thru CWGC we tracked him down last year and went to Tralee and visited his grave there.Our questions are why was he buried in Tralee when he lived in Co. Waterford and secondly how did he die,(as he was in the Depot in Tralee it probably was a health issue) and thirdly was the regimental diary kept before the Munsters left for war.We know he was a Reservist and was called up again in 1914, but his military papers tantalisingly stop before his passing. We do know that if soldiers died " at home" i.e. not abroad in a theatre of war the next of kin had the option of having him returned to their home town, in his case Dungarvan,( at their own expense) or the army would bury them in the barracks town.My mother in law who is now 84 is John Guerins grand daughter so we can verify some of this stuff, but Jack as he was known at home appeared to a rover and probably was away more than he was at home.I do have some other personal stuff about him but if you could uncover anything from the regimental diary or any thing at Ballymullen we would be greatfull. Regards Steve
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Mitch on Tuesday 10 May 05 23:27 BST (UK)
Hi Steve,

Leave it with me and I will see what information I can find out.  I hope to be in London next month and will check this out if I have time.  I tried other sources but these proved to be futile.  Anyway let it with me for a little while and I will try and find out more.

Kind Regards,

Mitch.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Boreenatra on Wednesday 11 May 05 17:49 BST (UK)
Mitch, thanks for the courtesy of your reply. and will wait to see if you can up with something. We hope to go back to Kew shortly but there is not enough hours in the day when you are there.!!! Regards Steve.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: tom1967 on Saturday 21 May 05 22:50 BST (UK)
Hello,

Here is what I know and maybe there is more help out there. My grandfather was in the 2nd. His service record was probably destroyed as I couldn't find it at Kew. I did find his medal index. He received the Mons Star, the British Medal and the Victory Medal. He enlisted on the 14th of August 1914 and was discharged as medically unfit on the 23rd of October 1916. He lived in a townhome (rowhouse?) that was built by the British government for Irish veterans in Kerry. My mother was born in the house. It appears that the occupants of the other homes were also veterans. My father has said that the one person that my grandfather spent a lot of time with was another veteran named Mickey Dugan or Duggan who had lost an arm and lived in one of the other homes.

My mother died two years ago so other than an aunt outside of London and two very distant cousins there are no other relatives. My aunt insisted that my grandfather was at Gallipoli with the 7th Munster Fusiliers and that he was wounded. Initially, she said that my grandmother received notification that he had been killed, but then he had been found alive in a trench. She has also insisted that he was in Flanders and at the Somme. Since he has the Mons Star I have to assume that he was in France or Belgium sometime before the 22/23 November 1914 which was a requirement for the medal.

The only other solid piece of information that I know is that he did not come to my parents wedding because my father's side of the family was heavily involved with the IRA.

So my questins are as follows. Could he have served in all the spots that my aunt claimed? The only plausible explanation would seem to be that he was wounded in France, recovered, was sent to Turkey, wounded again, returned to France and received another wound that rendered him unfit. Or, that he was in Europe the whole time and my aunt was mistaken.

I'm afraid that if I don't get this somewhat straightened out any knowledge about him and his service will evaporate since nobody else in my family really cares.

His name was John FitzMaurice and his regimental number was 4608.  Any help, advice or information would be wonderful. Any other information that I have I would gratefully share.

Thanks to all,

tom

Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Mitch on Wednesday 15 June 05 15:20 BST (UK)
Hi Tom,

The 2nd Munster Fusiliers left for France as part of the BEF on the 12th of August 1914.  They arrived in France at Le Harve on the 13th of August and from there moved to Boue, east of Etreux and remained there until the 23rd Aug.  They were not involved in the initial retreat from Mons but were deployed in a rear guard action that lasted several days and saw the Battalion surrounded at Etreux and massacered by the advancing German army.  Indeed they did succeed in delaying the German advance and allowed other BEF Battalion's to escape south.  Now to answer your questions, I do not believe that your uncle was in Turkey for the simple reason that the 2nd Munsters fought in France also the fact that he signed up on August 14th 1914 is perhaps inaccurate as he more than likely would not have been involved in the Retreat from Mons thus attaining the Mons star.  It is more likely that he was part of the initial BEF and in the army before the war broke out. 

I cannot see how he could have ended up in Turkey if he was part of the 2nd Munsters.  The 1st Munsters were the Battalion in Turkey and they eventually did come back to France but were absorbed into the 2nd Munsters but this was not until some time in 1917.

However if your aunt is correct in saying that he was in the 7th Reserve Battalion then he would have fought in Gallipoli

7TH SERVICE BATTALION
This Battalion was also formed under Lieut.-Colonel H. Gore, and was a component of the 30th Brigade under Brigadier General L.L. Nicol.
This Brigade with the 29th and 31st Brigade's formed the 10th (Irish) Division under Lieut.-General Sir B.T. Mahon K.C.V.O., C.B., D.S.O. The Battalion was raised by Army Order 324 issued 21st August 1914   
BATTLE  ZONES
August 1915, to Gallipoli
August 1915, Suvla Bay, Scimitar Hill.
October 1915, Salonica, Kosturino, Struma.
September 1917, Egypt & Palestine, Gaza, Jerusalem, Tell Asur.
May 1918, France, absorbed by 6th Battalion RMF 6th November 1916.

The 2nd Munster timeline is as follows-

1914 -
August  - Fought a rearguard action at Etreux.
The action at Etreux became a classic example of the performance of a rearguard. The 2nd Battalion, not even up to full strength, held off a German attack force of superior numbers.
December - Ypres Salient offensive and the Festubert battle.
1915 -
May 9th - Rue du Bois battle. (also known as Aubers Ridge battle). The 2nd Munster's suffered many casualties on this day due to friendly artillery fire. The Battalion's "General Absolution", given by the Chaplain Father Francis Gleeson before battle, was captured in a painting by WW 1 illustrator Fortunino Matania.
June 30th - 1st Division was transferred to IV Corps, the Battalion proceeded to Vermelles
 September 25th - Loos sector battles.
1916 -
June  - The great raids on German lines at Lievin, 3 miles south of Loos.
July  - Commenced the attack on the village of Contalmaison.
September thru' December - Defense of Martinpuich and the Somme offensive.

I am not sure therefore which version of events is true.  If he signed up on August 14th 1914 then he was not at Mons.  But your aunt is correct in saying that the 7th Bn was in  turkey.

Incidently I have the diaries of Fr Francis Gleeson Chaplain to the 2nd Munsters in France 1914-1916.  I know for certain that when I was transcribing these I came accross a Fitzmaurice again I do not know it it is your relation but the reason I know this is that one of my friends is Fitzmaurice and they took a particular interest in this name when I pointed it out to them.  I will have another look and let you know in the coming days (that's if I can find it again)

KInd Regards

Mitch
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Dave Mc on Tuesday 27 June 06 20:10 BST (UK)
Mitch
I know its a bit old by now, but have you read the "Widows Penny" by Patrick J. McNamara. it's fantastic book about the limerick RMF soldiers who served during a number of campaigns, but primarily WW1 in europe.

My great grandfather, Sgt Daniel McCormack from Limerick had a very sad letter to his wife. He died at aubers ridge on May 9th 1915.

check out the attached link.

http://www.hamsoft.ie/book.asp

Regards

Dave Mc
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: tom1967 on Wednesday 28 June 06 02:29 BST (UK)
Mitch,

A year later and I finally found the site again. I am Tom1967. Is it possible that we could exchange emails? I am planning to go to France again this summer and finish what I started last summer. I believe that I found the site of Father Gleeson's blessing last summer, and I had a good feel for the terrain that my grandfather fought over, but I am wondering if he is the Fitzmaurice spoken about in the diary. Is this diary in print some where? I managed to buy a copy of the 2nd Munsters in France last year and that was a great help. Please let me know if we can chat on line.

Thanks, so much

Tom
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Paul80 on Tuesday 29 May 07 09:52 BST (UK)
Hi Mitch

I am trying to find out any information of my grandfather who served in the 2nd battalion of the Munster Fusilier's in France. I believe he was killed in action on the 22nd of September 1916 and has no known grave, just listed on one of the piers of the memorial at Theipval.

As a child I can remember my grandmother had 3 or 4 of his medals, but what these were for I have no idea.

If you could provide any information or any ideas as to where I can start looking I would be most grateful.

Regards Paul
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: janglover on Wednesday 06 June 07 16:35 BST (UK)
Hi Mitch,
I don't know if this is the kind of information you are looking for but here goes anyway. My grandfather and his brother, who were both from Tralee, signed up. I don't know if they joined the Munster Fusiliers. You might be able to tell from his rank or number.The details I have are for my Grandad are:
Name    Bartholomew Glover
DOB      10/01/1896
Rank     Sapper
Number 25418
Date of entry into war 12/06/1915

As far as I know his brother William joined up at the same time. His DOB was 13/07/1890.
Hope this might be of some use.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: amocjerry on Saturday 21 February 09 04:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Mitch. My grandfather Micheal John O'Callaghan served with the 2nd Munster in 1914, he was killed in action 21 December 1914 at Festubert France and is buried at the Post office cemetery in France.(you can find him under, M O'Callaghan his regiment # 7988) I have copy's of a the diary, of an officer from the action from December 18th thru December 22nd. the diary is of course more complete, my intrest was reading the events surrounding the action in which he died. I do have a lot of information on RMF. What I'm intrested is the muster rolls of the 2nd RMf and the date he enlisted, he also had a brother in the (I believe) 2nd RMF. Jeremiah O'Callaghan (Whom I am Named after) I have his enlistment papers. he states he has a brother Micheal in the 2nd RMf he enlisted in  March 1913 but gives his father as Jeremiah O'Callaghan. but my Great grand father (Micheal John O'Callaghan father) name was Patrick O'Callaghan also a soldier who lived in cork I have street address for him. Micheal John O'Callaghan was born in Castlemagner Cork Ireland, was married in St johns Church  Tralee Kerry Ireland to Kathleen Scully. If you wish &  want to see us, visit the Walton Scully web site. tks
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: prindiville on Thursday 16 July 09 17:56 BST (UK)
hi Mitch,i ahve just come across this site and I was intriged to red about your interest and hopefully knowledge of Th Royal munster Fusiliers.I have been searching to trace my grandfather who wa sin the R.M.F. in ww1 for 10years now but cannot trace anything about him.My main problem is I do not have his reg.no. but I know so much other things about him.I would have thought that I couild trace him by his parents names or his wifes,what do you think?I have got a postcard that was sent from him in france and I have always understood over the years that he never made it home after sending the card although it states he was coming home to receive a medal.I even have a photograph( that isn't very clear) of   himself with his battalion.His name was JEREMIAH O'SULLIVAN(maybe at the time the O WAS DROPPED) HE WAS BORN MAY 2nd.1882 in CLASH,TRALEE.He married Julia Sullivanfrom Ardrahan,Ardfert 25th April 1903.They had 7 children(i have all their names and dates of birth)Streets they lived in in Tralee were Brogue Lane,Mary Street, and Abbey Street.The date on the postcard readsJune 13th and I beleive the year was 1916 but that part is not very clear.I would love to hear your comments.
Regards Teresa
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: belgianirish on Monday 19 October 09 13:37 BST (UK)
A J O'Sullivan of the RMF was awarded the military medal in 1916 - could be the same one
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: prindiville on Monday 19 October 09 16:53 BST (UK)
Can you please tell me anything more about J.O'Sullivan  RMF killed in 1916.

 regards Teresa.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: belgianirish on Monday 19 October 09 20:46 BST (UK)
I have a copy of "history of the royal munster fusiliers 1861_ 1922" which lists all those who died in WW1 and all those who received medals. There is no mention of a Jerimah O Sullivan or Just Sullivan.

A james O Sullivan was awarded the military medal in august 1916 which he received in France. He dies in 1918. No  J O'Sullivan is listed as being killed in 1916    
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: prindiville on Monday 19 October 09 21:09 BST (UK)
Thanks for your prompt reply,do you kmow James Sullivans reg.no or anything else about him,such as where he was from and his wife or parents names.

  Many thanks,Teresa
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: belgianirish on Monday 19 October 09 21:32 BST (UK)
details are as follows

Private James O'Sullivan, 1st Battalion Royal Munster Fusiliers, No 4767 b Tralee, Co. Kerry, enlisted there. Died 30 Sep 1918 (killed in action)  Awarded Military Medal
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: petermm on Friday 13 November 09 18:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Amocjerry

My great uncle, Thomas McAuliffe, was also in the 2nd Btn Royal Munster Fusiliers and  died at Festubert on 21st December 1914 and is also buried in the Post Office Rifles Cemetery in Festubert.  I recently visited France and walked the final part of the same journey the Munsters took, from Gorre to Festubert, on the 21st December.  It's an evocative road, very flat and very exposed and it was easy to imagine how hard the whole march must have been on a very bleak December day.  The Cemetery is dated 1915-19, which must mean that the RMF graves were originally elsewhere.  The grave  next to my great uncle is for B Thompson, who was also in the 2nd Btn RMF and who also died on 21st December 1914.
If you can shed any light on what happened that day, I would be most grateful.  I have  read the account from The Royal Munsters Fusiliers Regiment by Mrs Victor Rickard but it doesn`t say what happened once they reached the front trenches on the evening of the 21st December.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: amocjerry on Thursday 19 November 09 16:58 GMT (UK)
Hallo, petermm i would like to be in touch with you as I'm sure our relatives must have known each very well. as best as i can answer your question as to what happened to them, is that they killed by their own artillery fire (friendly fire). it is
quite some time since i did all my research, and some of the details escape me at this time. i did get my granfather medal card, he got three (3) your uncle must/should have also got the same. there was a officer dairy for that day/night,
but it only gives the officer names killed. if we can trade e-mailand i can get you phone number i will call you.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: scintilla on Sunday 29 November 09 15:46 GMT (UK)
My great uncle 2nd lieutenant Walter King of the 2nd RMF was wounded at Festubert on 21st/22nd December 1914. His left arm was shot up and he was left in the snow for 2 days until he was rescued, receiving frostbite on feet already effected by trench foot. This meant he didn't walk for 6 months.  I would be grateful for any information - diary entries etc to better understand what went on during this action.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: mark142857 on Sunday 29 November 09 21:56 GMT (UK)
I've found that a family member died whilst serving with the 2nd Batt Royal Munster Fusiliers.  He was Maurice Hannon (6488) who died on 10 Nov 1917.

Tomorrow I am going to the National Archives in Kew to see if I can find out some more info on him.

The thing is, he had six brothers, John, Tom, Martin, Patrick, Michael, and James, who were not killed during the war as far as I can find, but who may or may not have also served in the Army.  Is it possible for someone who has the book on the regiment to see if any of these received medals during WW1?  That would tell me if they were also in this regiment.  They all came from Listowel in Kerry.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: prindiville on Saturday 06 March 10 16:28 GMT (UK)
 JUST TO LET YOU KNOW IT HAS TURNED OUT THAT PTE.4767 J.O'SULLIVAN  RMF.IS MY GRANDFATHER,I HAVE RECEIVED ALOT OF INFORMATION ON HIM FROM RUSSELL MC.MORRAN.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: corisande on Tuesday 06 April 10 14:39 BST (UK)
Re Jeremiah O'Callaghan on post 12

You may have the enlistment papers for the wrong Jeremiah O'Callaghan

Jeremiah Callaghan (b1841 in Mallow) and mother Bridget Tobin (nee O'Sullivan), who married in 1890 in Mallow. Lived at 18 Bridewell Lane, Mallow. They had a number of children, including

Jeremiah, born Nov 1892 in Mallow and who joined the Royal Irish Regt, service no 10844
Michael, born Nov 1894 in Mallow and who joined 2nd Munsters, service no 10005

How did you come by his enlistment paper , I cannot find it on ancestry.

Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: enfield on Tuesday 06 April 10 15:02 BST (UK)
I came across an old article on how the Munsters got wiped out( it does not say which Battalion) on the retreat from Mons when they were told to stay and hold back the Germans until the main section of the Army was safe. The despatch rider who was sent to tell them to fall back and not stand their ground was shot before he delivered the message. Does the War Diaries say anything about this?
Regards.
 Tom.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: dncreagh on Tuesday 25 May 10 21:19 BST (UK)
Mitch. My grandfather served with the RMF 1st bn.I would love to know where he fought at. My uncle his son does not know much . He said he was wounded twice and was also gassed in the first gas attack by the germans. his name is Patrick Mcgovern. reg no 4688. Enlisted 23/4/1915. Discharged 27/6/1918 due to gassing.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: namatse on Thursday 03 June 10 10:45 BST (UK)
I have just been given details of this site and would be grateful for any information regarding Private Timothy O'Neill - RMF 2nd Bn. Service No: 3073  He died on 05/05/1916 and is buried at St Patricks Cemetry LOOS.

Timothy was my Grand fathers brother.  Unfortunately I have little knowledge of the family other than that they were living in Cork originally but Timothy's place of residence at time of death is recorded as Ynishir, Glamorgan.

I don't know how old Timothy was or how he died any help or "point me in the right direction for info) would be much appreciated.

namatse
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: Listry on Sunday 15 August 10 08:25 BST (UK)
Mitch. My grandfather served with the RMF 1st bn.I would love to know where he fought at. My uncle his son does not know much . He said he was wounded twice and was also gassed in the first gas attack by the germans. his name is Patrick Mcgovern. reg no 4688. Enlisted 23/4/1915. Discharged 27/6/1918 due to gassing.

Private Patrick McGovern 4688, confirm he was listed with the 1st battalion. If you have the correct enlistment date, in all probability he was intially at Gallipoli, then France starting 1916.

He was awarded the Military Medal, the award was Gazetted 19/11/1917.

1st battalion movements extract.
December 1915 - Suvla Bay, Gallipoli was evacuated on the 20th, Anzac followed and arrangements made to evacuate the Cape Helles area in January.
1916 - 1st January - The Battalion supplied working parties to evacuate stores. On the 2nd Jan. Battalion was evacuated from the Gallipoli Peninsula, boarded the trawler 'Princess Alberta' for Mudros, the 6th they transferred to the 'Caledonia' for Egypt, arriving Alexandria on the 8th and then entrained for Suez for rest up period.
1916 - January thru' February - The Battalion remained in the Suez area and men were engaged in sporting activities and light duties, a welcome relief from the trenches of Gallipoli.
1916 - 21st February - Orders were received for the 29th Division to proceed to France.
14th March - The the Battalion embarked on the ship 'Alaunia', entered the Suez Canal at 6.30pm for Port Said where it left on the 16th for France.
1916 - 22nd March - Arrived at Marseilles, Battalion entrained for the journey to Pont Remy, arriving at 4.30pm on the 23rd.
1916 - March December 1918 - The Battalion participated in many major engagements during their time in Belgium and France, it would be a lengthy exercise to present in full the various actions. Listed below are a few of the war sectors they fought in.
1916 - 13th April - The Battalion relieved the 1st Inniskillings in the line in front of Auchonvilers, facing Beaumont Hamel, this was to be their first experience of the trenches of France.
24th April - Orders were received that the 1st Battalion RMF was to be withdrawn from the 29th Division and transferred to the lines of communication at Boulogne base for purposes of recruiting and training.
May - Orders were received to join the 48th Brigade of the 16th (Irish) Division, on the 28th the 1st Battalion left Boulogne for Mazingarbe via Bethune, 6 officers and 283 other ranks from the now disbanded 9th Battalion RMF joined the 1st Battalion. The 9th Battalion had suffered heavily in counter attacks at Loos.
September - In action in the Ginchy sector.
22nd November - The Battalion was transferred to the 47th Brigade, 21 officers and 446 other ranks from the now disbanded 8th Battalion joined the 1st Battalion.
1917 - January - February - In trenches in the Spanbrock sector.
June - Wytschaete Ridge battle. November - Cambrai battle, the Tunnel Trench.
 1918 - March - German offensive, Tincourt, Doingt, Morcourt and Proyart battles.
July - September - Drocourt line and Canal du Nord sectors.
November 11th 1918 - at 11.00am. Hostilities ceased. The German High Command signs an Armistice.

I will endeavour to determine from my references why he was awarded M.M. and when likely he was gassed.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: paddy418 on Friday 01 October 10 23:15 BST (UK)
Hi Tom,

The 2nd Munster Fusiliers left for France as part of the BEF on the 12th of August 1914.  They arrived in France at Le Harve on the 13th of August and from there moved to Boue, east of Etreux and remained there until the 23rd Aug.  They were not involved in the initial retreat from Mons but were deployed in a rear guard action that lasted several days and saw the Battalion surrounded at Etreux and massacered by the advancing German army.  Indeed they did succeed in delaying the German advance and allowed other BEF Battalion's to escape south.  Now to answer your questions, I do not believe that your uncle was in Turkey for the simple reason that the 2nd Munsters fought in France also the fact that he signed up on August 14th 1914 is perhaps inaccurate as he more than likely would not have been involved in the Retreat from Mons thus attaining the Mons star.  It is more likely that he was part of the initial BEF and in the army before the war broke out. 

I cannot see how he could have ended up in Turkey if he was part of the 2nd Munsters.  The 1st Munsters were the Battalion in Turkey and they eventually did come back to France but were absorbed into the 2nd Munsters but this was not until some time in 1917.

However if your aunt is correct in saying that he was in the 7th Reserve Battalion then he would have fought in Gallipoli

7TH SERVICE BATTALION
This Battalion was also formed under Lieut.-Colonel H. Gore, and was a component of the 30th Brigade under Brigadier General L.L. Nicol.
This Brigade with the 29th and 31st Brigade's formed the 10th (Irish) Division under Lieut.-General Sir B.T. Mahon K.C.V.O., C.B., D.S.O. The Battalion was raised by Army Order 324 issued 21st August 1914   
BATTLE  ZONES
August 1915, to Gallipoli
August 1915, Suvla Bay, Scimitar Hill.
October 1915, Salonica, Kosturino, Struma.
September 1917, Egypt & Palestine, Gaza, Jerusalem, Tell Asur.
May 1918, France, absorbed by 6th Battalion RMF 6th November 1916.

The 2nd Munster timeline is as follows-

1914 -
August  - Fought a rearguard action at Etreux.
The action at Etreux became a classic example of the performance of a rearguard. The 2nd Battalion, not even up to full strength, held off a German attack force of superior numbers.
December - Ypres Salient offensive and the Festubert battle.
1915 -
May 9th - Rue du Bois battle. (also known as Aubers Ridge battle). The 2nd Munster's suffered many casualties on this day due to friendly artillery fire. The Battalion's "General Absolution", given by the Chaplain Father Francis Gleeson before battle, was captured in a painting by WW 1 illustrator Fortunino Matania.
June 30th - 1st Division was transferred to IV Corps, the Battalion proceeded to Vermelles
 September 25th - Loos sector battles.
1916 -
June  - The great raids on German lines at Lievin, 3 miles south of Loos.
July  - Commenced the attack on the village of Contalmaison.
September thru' December - Defense of Martinpuich and the Somme offensive.

I am not sure therefore which version of events is true.  If he signed up on August 14th 1914 then he was not at Mons.  But your aunt is correct in saying that the 7th Bn was in  turkey.

Incidently I have the diaries of Fr Francis Gleeson Chaplain to the 2nd Munsters in France 1914-1916.  I know for certain that when I was transcribing these I came accross a Fitzmaurice again I do not know it it is your relation but the reason I know this is that one of my friends is Fitzmaurice and they took a particular interest in this name when I pointed it out to them.  I will have another look and let you know in the coming days (that's if I can find it again)

KInd Regards

Mitch

Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: paddy418 on Friday 01 October 10 23:28 BST (UK)
My uncle William Drury was a CSM in 2nd Battalion Royal Munster Fusiliers.  He got married from Ballymullen Barracks in Tralee on 16 Feb 1917.  His twin children were born in Newtownsandes on 8 Nov 1917 and on the birth certificate William Drury was noted as "Prisoner of War in Germany".  In the 9 months between marriage and birth of his children where in France would William Drury have served and been taken prisoner?  His regimental number was 7878.
John Buckley
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: o.reilly on Thursday 07 October 10 21:04 BST (UK)
Hi i am looking for info on my Granduncle
william Dineen
Born Ballinclogher
Lixnaw
County kerry
Birth:    Feb. 11, 1889
Death:    Apr. 21, 1916
William joined the Royal Munster Fusiliers in Tralee County kerry Ireland
Rank: Pte.
Regiment: Machine Gun Corps.
Unit; 3rd Company, Infantry.
Service No:19411.
His number was 4519.
He is buried and has a headstone in
Cemetery: Maroc British Cemetery, Grenay in France.
 We have a photo of him in his uniform
I would be very greatful for any info as we know nothing of him.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: corisande on Thursday 07 October 10 21:35 BST (UK)
Re Dineen

Welcome to Rootschat  :)

Firstly you probably would have been better starting your own thread, it tends to get buried in a long thread like this one

His MIC tells you

1. Landed in France 2 Sep 1914

2. He was almost certainly in 2nd Battalion RMF

3. You need to plough through Ancestry records to see if there is a service or pension record.

4. Go to Great War Forum to make a post and find out where his MGC unit was the day he died.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 07 October 10 21:42 BST (UK)
Hi i am looking for info on my Granduncle
william Dineen
Born Ballinclogher
Lixnaw
County kerry
Birth:    Feb. 11, 1889
Death:    Apr. 21, 1916
...

maybe you already have this and are looking for later military details -

Baptism of William Dinnen 17 February 1889 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7c71b11825889)  (birth 11 Feb) RC Parish of Lixnaw, Co. Kerry

Father   Patrick Dinnen
Mother   Mary White

from www.irishgenealogy.ie


Shane
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: corisande on Thursday 07 October 10 21:45 BST (UK)
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  Re: William Drury, 7878 RMF

His MIC shows he landed in France 23 Mar 1915  

He went on to the 5th Territorial Bn Lincs Regt as a CSM, 4795288. You could use that to get his service record as the new numbers were stored elsewhere and have survived - mind you cost you £30, a copy of his death cert and currently a 8 month wait.
Title: Re: Munster Fusiliers in France
Post by: o.reilly on Thursday 07 October 10 21:51 BST (UK)
Thank you for the info on William Dineen