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Title: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Friday 25 February 11 08:35 GMT (UK)
any information on moorehouses,they were farmers around this area, coolrainey,baltinglass,cant find them on any census,they were c.of i. any info will be greatly appreciated,tom
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 25 February 11 08:51 GMT (UK)
Your haven't given any names of dates but there are quite a few people named Moorehouse/Moorhouse in both 1901 and 1911 census who were Church of Ireland.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search

If you can provide more details we might be able to find more information for you or suggest where to search next.
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Friday 25 February 11 09:48 GMT (UK)
thomas moorehouse  married to mary?they had 6 children i think,eldest son named thomas, also married mary.i am sure thomas was born pre 1900.i think he was also a farmer,thats all i know for now thanks tom
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 25 February 11 09:54 GMT (UK)
Which Thomas (father or son) was born before 1900?
There's a Cooolrainey in Co. Wexford.
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Friday 25 February 11 10:17 GMT (UK)
the father born around 1900 or earlier,the son born in 1920,s i think,snr and jnr were both farmers,tom
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 25 February 11 12:41 GMT (UK)
The son would not appear in any available census record but the father should appear in 1911 and perhaps 1901 which are both now online. However, it might be difficult to know which, if any, is correct census entry without other collabrative details.
The marriage certificate of Thomas (b.c1900) will list his residence (which may not be the same place he was born or where his family lived) and should also list his father's name and occupation (unless illegitimate).
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Friday 25 February 11 20:05 GMT (UK)
thomas moorehouse died 26-2-1933 age 45,mary died 22-9-1965,coolnarrig is the name of the farm where he lived.tried both census,no luck
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 25 February 11 20:38 GMT (UK)
So Thomas was born c1888- I was looking for a younger child since you didn't say how long before 1900 he was born  :-\

This is possibly Thomas (age 14) with mother Frances- (Coolinarrig Lower is the name of the townland):
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Eadestown/Coolinarrig_Lower/1809366

And in 1911- Frances/Fannie mother of 3 children (2 living):
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Eadestown/Coolinarrig_Lower/889828
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: Jack2227 on Saturday 26 February 11 15:51 GMT (UK)
Family search;

Elizabeth Moorehouse; b. 17/3/1827 Bray, Balsmony, Wicklow
d.; 18/8/1892 Gunnison, Sanpete Ut
Spouse; Robert Gray Fraser
Married; 11/10/1856
Parents; Thomas Moorehouse-Sabina Oakes
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Jack
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: Jack2227 on Saturday 26 February 11 15:57 GMT (UK)
Family search;

Tutty Alicia; b. 1846 Ireland
d; 27/7/1912 Wicklow
Burial; Canada
Spouse; James William; b; 1842 Irelans.
d; 22/10/1897 St Thomas Ontario.
Married; 1/1/1867 Ireland
------------
Jack
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Saturday 26 February 11 19:27 GMT (UK)
thanks aghadowey,very helpful,found moorehouses in1901 census,how can i find thomas father, frances husband.he must have died pre 1887 as thomas is 14.i found a james moorehouse who died in 1877 in baltinglass i tried griffiths valuation,could not make a connection yet.where should i look for frances marriage certificate?also thanks jack 2227,have cousins in canada,have not made the connection yet.also looking for william tuttys father.william tutty died 20-12 1911 aged 82,his mother died 20-5-1832 aged 40,stuck here,once again,thanks
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: shanew147 on Saturday 26 February 11 19:35 GMT (UK)
thanks aghadowey,very helpful,found moorehouses in1901 census,how can i find thomas father, frances husband.he must have died pre 1887 as thomas is 14.i found a james moorehouse who died in 1877 in baltinglass i tried griffiths valuation,could not make a connection yet.where should i look for frances marriage certificate?also thanks jack 2227,have cousins in canada,have not made the connection yet.also looking for william tuttys father.william tutty died 20-12 1911 aged 82,his mother died 20-5-1832 aged 40,stuck here,once again,thanks

where did you find the family on the 1901 census  ? (i.e. which townland)

Your first step would to search for a birth for one of the children, as this would give you the father's name and mother's maiden name. It's easier to search for a marriage when you know both parents names.. especially in this case, since I presume you dont know when they married.



Shane
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: shanew147 on Saturday 26 February 11 19:41 GMT (UK)
(census details removed - just saw that townland and census links were already mentioned by aghadowey)

the townlands of Coolinarrig Lower and Upper are near to Baltinglass and in the Civil Registration District of Baltinglass.

Assuming that the family came from this area originally then there is a good match for the birth of Thomas on the Civil BMD Index :

 Name: Thomas Moorhouse
 Registration district: Baltinglass
 Event type: Birth
 Quarter and year: Jul-Sep 1886
 Volume number: 2 / Page :   363

There's also a death for a possible father to Thomas in the same district at a time that could fit (i.e. two years after Thomas's birth)

 Name: Thomas Moorhouse
 Registration district: Baltinglass
 Event type: Death
 Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1888
 Age : 44  (est year of birth c1844)
 Volume : 2 / page : 264


Shane
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: shanew147 on Saturday 26 February 11 20:03 GMT (UK)
There doesn't appear to be any Moorehouse households (as either occupier or lessor)  in the townland of Coolinarrig Lower at the time of Griffith's Valuation in the area (1854).

  Occupants of Coolinarrig Lower - Griffith's Valuation (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&PlaceID=1428973&county=Wicklow&barony=Talbotstown,%20upper&parish=Baltinglass&townland=Coolinarrig,%20lower)


Shane
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: shanew147 on Saturday 26 February 11 20:09 GMT (UK)
a possible sister to Thomas, from the extracted civil birth records on familysearch :

 Name: [Female] Moorhouse
 Birth date: 21 Dec 1874
 Birthplace: Coolinaing, Wicklow and Carlow
 Father: Thomas Moorhouse
 Mother: Frances Eager

The birth appears to have been registered before a name was decided.



Shane
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: shanew147 on Saturday 26 February 11 20:17 GMT (UK)
and a possible marriage from the BMD Index :

 Name: Thomas Moorehouse
 Registration district: Baltinglass
 Event type: Marriage
 Year: 1872
 Volume : 7 / Page : 419

and a possible cross match for wife Frances :

 Name: Frances Agar
 [index details match - so Frances appears on the same register page as Thomas]

see :
 Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
 Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
 Details included on a Death Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)
 Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
 Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)



Shane
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: Cresetta on Wednesday 16 March 11 23:58 GMT (UK)
Hi Tom-Dick you are researching my Grand parents Thomas and Mary Moorehouse (Moorhouse)
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: Cresetta on Sunday 20 March 11 18:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Tom , You are researching my grandparents Thomas and Mary Moorehouse ;D, please get in touch, Cresetta
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Monday 28 March 11 03:44 BST (UK)
thanks shayne,just received marriage cert for thomas moorehouse and francis agar,it is the correct one.is the union of baltinglass covered in both wicklow and part of carlow?can anyone tell me if the moorhouses of knocklishen,co carlow are related to the moorhouses of coolinarrig co wicklow,as both are in the union of baltinglass.is knocklishen near the wicklow boarder?
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 28 March 11 10:28 BST (UK)
.....
is the union of baltinglass covered in both wicklow and part of carlow?
...
is knocklishen near the wicklow boarder?
....

Most of the townlands in the Poor Law Union of Baltinglass are in Co. Wicklow but it also includes a number of townlands in counties Kildare and Carlow.

You can check a list of the townlands included in the PLU on the townland database at www.thecore.com/seanruad  Enter Baltinglass in the Poor Law Union search box and click search to view the list.

(A Poor Law Union usually corresponds to a Registration district)

The townlands of Knocklishen More & Beg are in eastern county Carlow and to the north west of Hacketstown. The townlands appear to be very close to the Carlow/Wicklow county border. The Wicklow village of Kiltegean is only about 4km to the north east.  See Knicklishen More, Carlow to Kiltegan, Wicklow (http://www.google.ie/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Knocklishen+Beg&daddr=Kiltegan&hl=en&geocode=FUMCJwMd8K2a_ym770KdE4tnSDFiFSG7p8cAJg%3BFWtGJwMdEzSb_ynfMRaNfYxnSDEAhjGXqccACg&mra=pr&sll=52.892542,-6.650505&sspn=0.060275,0.165825&ie=UTF8&ll=52.892645,-6.648617&spn=0.060068,0.169601&z=13) (google map)


Shane
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Monday 28 March 11 11:19 BST (UK)
thanks shayne,making sense ,i am now looking for charles moorhouse,born approx 1820 at coolnarrig?he is the father of thomas moorhouse,charles is a farmer.any help welcome,tom
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Friday 22 April 11 22:52 BST (UK)
could anyone help mewith this query?looking for tuttys in a place called coodamodra?near baltinglass.i think there was one girl mary born app 1891,the rest were males,brothers sam,edward,and a few more that i dont know yet.any help appreciated.tom dick.
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 22 April 11 22:58 BST (UK)
If the family lived in Ireland you can search for them in both 1901 and 1911 census records-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Monday 25 April 11 17:24 BST (UK)
thank you aghadowney,i have found the correct tutty family from coolamaddra in wicklow in 1901 census but no record for any of the family in 1911 census,is there any other avenue i could try?thank you,tom
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 25 April 11 17:29 BST (UK)
If you post a link to the 1901 census entry we might be able to find the same family in 1911 for you.
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Monday 25 April 11 17:34 BST (UK)
residents of a house 1 in coolamaddra (donaghmore,wicklow),thank you,tom
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 25 April 11 18:02 BST (UK)
Here a link to the family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Donaghmore/Coolamaddra/1808452

Richard Tutty (age 71 in 1901) possibly died a short while later-
DEATH REGISTRATION: Richard Tutty, age 71, Apr./June 1901 Baltinglass district volume 2 page 316.

Age is a few years off but possibly young Richard in 1911?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Carrigeen/Ballynacarrick_Upper/538803

Anne and two younger boys still in Coolamaddra (mistranscribed as Tulty)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Donaghmore/Coolamaddra/888952
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Monday 25 April 11 18:59 BST (UK)
thanks adgadowney,a great help,i should have been more observant,tom
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 25 April 11 19:33 BST (UK)
Just had lots more practice probably  ;)

If you can't find a family anywhere in Ireland-
1) search in the area you know they lived earlier/later but with only part of surname or without surname
2) search by first name and age or birthplace, etc. (especially good for uncommon first names)
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: blue000125 on Monday 27 June 11 13:38 BST (UK)
Hi my great grand father was John Moorhouse and his brother was thomas but i dont know much abotu his family i have a marriage cert for James Moorhouse and Mary Jackson and i know James fathers name there deaths were both registed in Bauntinglass and i know the dates but not sure were thre buried.  We had a family reunion yesterday and my cousin is on facebook and she might be able to help you if you want to addd me as a friend you can
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: Cara2 on Wednesday 12 October 11 00:28 BST (UK)
John?
You say John but in fact the registered marriage states James married Mary Jackson 12 Dec 1854 in Rathvilly Co Carlow Ireland - one must always check the border registers when researching border towns.

His father was Thomas

I have a child named James Moorhouse ( sic) born 28/4/1868 at Kiltegan Co Wicklow Ireland for this couple, but of course you should in fact be able to assist me with more children, as it is your family.

Mary Jackson's father was William

Siblings for James are:- Lucy, married Jones
William married Killeen 

I am guessing there would also be more children among this family also, would like your assistance also on those if at all possible

ty
Cara

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Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: blue000125 on Wednesday 12 October 11 01:10 BST (UK)
John Moorhouse was the son of James Moorhouse and Mary Jackson.  John was born in the year 1861.  The only place were to get these records is emailing the Church of Ireland in Bautinglass or Rathvilly they have all the records
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: ailbhe on Saturday 19 November 11 22:58 GMT (UK)
"Tom-Dick" I am an Eager descendant, I have an old letter written by Mary Jane Eager born in 1888 telling of the Tutty Eager connection,  also mentioning Tom  Moorhouse. I'll check it out and get back to you.
I live in Ireland. Some of the Tuttys Eagers and Jackson are buried in St. Peters in Kiltegan they were all C.O.I.
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Sunday 20 November 11 05:54 GMT (UK)
I would be very interested in what you have on the letter,I remember my mother saying that she was friends of the sparks and jacksons,i know that eagers are related some how?i thought that they were buried in baltinglass,I willhave to get some one to have a look in kiltegan cemetary.Is kiltegan near baltinglass?i live in austrlia,tom
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: ailbhe on Sunday 20 November 11 10:46 GMT (UK)
Tom send me a email address and I'll send you a copy of the transcrip of the old letter.  It is very interesting.   Baltinglass  close to Kiltegan and Hacketstown.  Baltinglass and Kiltegan are Wicklow while Hacketstown is Co. Carlow.  my email is      *

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Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: blue000125 on Thursday 24 November 11 17:05 GMT (UK)
The Jacksons are all buried in Rathvilly.  But you can go back to Simon Moorhouse from the year 1680 I have all of the childrens naems for James Moorhouse and Mary Jackson there must be some connection there

Regards

David
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: tom-dick on Friday 25 November 11 05:32 GMT (UK)
dear blue,i would be interested in any information that you have to give.hopefully a connection can be made,thanks in advance,tom
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: blue000125 on Friday 25 November 11 07:59 GMT (UK)
Children of James Moorhouse and Mary Jackson
Lucy Moorhouse
Thomas Moorhouse
John Moorhouse
Mary Moorhouse
Elizabeth Moorhouse
James Moorhouse

There could be more the church of Ireland in Bautlinglass have the records for Rathvilly this might be an avenue for your to go down write to the Church Of Ireland Minister and he will send you what every he finds
Title: Re: moorehouse/tutty baltinglass/coolrainey area
Post by: ailbhe on Friday 25 November 11 10:02 GMT (UK)
Tom, I emailed you Richard Tutty's marriage certs.(married twice) did you get them? Was Ann his cousin?  I have also found some more Tutty's in my family tree.