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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: r m doughty on Thursday 24 February 11 21:35 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am reserching George William orriss b 1902 at some time during his childhood he was placed in a home i do not know how long he was there but left when he was about 14 he was born and lived in Bromley /Poplar i only know it was a train journey back to Poplar, he did have a mother but she may have been a widow. i am sure she was very poor. just wonder if anyone would know where children were sent to from that area.grateful for any information.
Marie.
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Hi
He may have gone into the poor law system in which case he would be possible to track through the records for that poor law union. Records will be held at the London Metropolitan Archives. Or he could have been placed in any number of charity orphanages either national like Barnardoes, Spurgeons, Fegans, Waifs and Strays or charity homes that only operated in London. It is a long list of possibles if you don't know which one unfortunately.
This is a list of all the charities in the London area in 1917 including children's homes
http://www.victorianlondon.org/charities/charities.htm
The best shot at trying to find which one it may have been is to search for him on the 1911 census
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
You cannot ask for lookups from the 1911 census at present on Rootschat you must search yourself. A free search however seems to show him living in Poplar in a household.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
thank you for your reply i know its a long shot with so little detail, I did a search on the 1911 census last year but could not find him , Yet you seem to have found him living in a Poplar household so that is interesting. I will also try the website you have suggested.
Regards
Marie.
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Try one 'S' for index.
Jennifer
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Mother - Ellen Catherine Preston - married William Carr 31/7/1881 Bethnal Green
then married as a widow - George William Orriss St.Andrews Poplar 25/11/1901
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Father Thomas Preston - Blacksmith
Jennifer
Moderator comment: 1911 census details removed in accordance with Rootschat policy as they are not available from the free index
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14/2/1883 all bapt. same day St.Leonards Poplar
Catherine Ellen (this order of names) born Feb 1861
Sophia Eliza 6/8/1883
Thomas James Joseph 29/8/1865
George Henry 29/3/1867
parents Thomas a Blacksmith and Ann Eliza address Bromley.
Jennifer
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Hi Jenifer
Thank you, i took an S off the index and found him on the 1911 census. I am so pleased with the other information you gave me, i know so little about the family. George never knew his father he was told he had died before he was born and his mother is listed as being a widow on the census but the only G W Orriss death record i could find was 1910. so maybe he just deserted them, bit of a puzzle.
kind regards
Marie
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Hi
The age is correct for George William Orris who was 47 on his marriage in 1901. Deaths are registered where the death takes place.
Deaths Dec 1910 Orriss George W 56 W. Ham 4a 35
George William was born in Stratford West Ham and had a daughter from his first marriage.
1881 census RG11 103 folio 69
49 Stanley Road Stratford West Ham
Geo.Wm. Orriss 27 Head Married Brushmaker Stratford Essex
Sophia Orriss 24 Wife Married Stratford Essex
Susan Orriss 1 Daughter Stratford Essex
Marriages Sep 1876
Orriss George William W Ham 4a 35
Wright Sophia W. Ham 4a 35
Deaths Mar 1891
ORRIS Sophia 34 W. Ham 4a 3
A possible marriage for Susan
Marriages Mar 1903
Orriss Susan Ellen W. Ham 4a 272
Edwards Albert W. Ham 4a 272
24th December 1902 St Leonard Bromley
George William Orriss parents George William and Ellen, 10 Cottage Place, father's occupation brush finisher
25th November 1901 St Andrew, Poplar
George William Orriss 47 Widower Brushmaker 16 James Street John Orriss deceased Chemist
Ellen Catherine Carr 43 Widow 16 James Street Thomas Preston deceased Blacksmith
Ellen made her mark
Witnesses Ann Hounslow her mark and Edwin Fry
1861 census RG9 1054 folio 47
4 Union Street Stratford West Ham
John Oriss 41 Head Married Lab Lithcombe Berkshire
Jane Oriss 37 Wife Married Hundon Suffolk
John Oriss 11 Son West Ham Essex
Philip Oriss 10 Son Stratford Essex
George Oriss 8 Son Stratford Essex
Sarah Oriss 6 Daughter Stratford Essex
James Oriss 4 Son Stratford Essex
Samuel Oriss 2 Son Stratford Essex
Jane Oriss 1 Month Daughter Stratford Essex
1871 census RG10 1623 folio 41
7 Union Street Stratford West Ham
John Orriss 51 Head Married Manufacturing chemist Hundon Suffolk
Jane Orriss 48 Wife Married Letcomb Berkshire
Thos John Orriss 21 Son Tin plate worker Stratford Essex
Phillip Hireson Orriss 20 Son Manufacturing chemist Stratford Essex
Wm Geo Orriss 18 Son Brushmaker Stratford Essex
Sarah Orriss 16 Daughter Stratford Essex
James Hireson Orress 14 Son Brushmaker Stratford Essex
Samuel Joseph Orress 12 Son Stratford Essex
Mary Jane Orress 10 Daughter Stratford Essex
Susan Ellen Orress 7 Daughter Stratford Essex
Priscilla Orress 4 Daughter Stratford Essex
A tree that mentions him
http://www.tgoodwin.f2s.com/Genealogy/everything%20in%20my%20records/pafg16.htm
and further detail
http://www.tgoodwin.f2s.com/Genealogy/References/GOODWIN%20v3.4.1%20-%20living%20removed.pdf
The Mr. Bolton mentioned in the latter document is George William's great grandson (mentioned in another source)
Regards
Valda
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1891 census 22 East Street West Ham
George Oriss 38 widower Brush maker born Stratford
Susan 11
living with Thomas & Sarah Bailey the same family he was living with in 1881 at Stanley Road, she could be his sister?
Valda beat me to the rest (thankfully)
Jennifer
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Hi Valda
thank you so much i never expected such a response,I certainly have lots to study now.also thanks to Jenifer.
Regards
Marie.
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George William Orriss, born 1857 in West Ham is my Great Grandfather. I would love to contact the originator of this post as I think that we are distantly related
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Hi boutainium
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Marie (r m doughty) hasn't been online here for a few weeks but should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Thanks Dawn, that's really helpful. I know that it's an old post, but I've only just got around to signing up for RootsChat - obviously should have done it sooner!
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Just in case Marie misses the notification, I've sent her a personal message to let her know you've replied.
Old posts never get deleted from Rootschat and it's amazing to see how many families are re-connected just because of a post that was made years ago.
Fingers crossed she comes back soon.
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Hi Boutainium
thank you for responding to my post , My father George William Orriss b 1902 always told me his father died before he was born ,having discovered GW senior didn't die until 1910 I assume he must have left them and Ellen his mother was maybe ashamed to tell him,My father was living with her according to the 1911 census he often spoke to me about being in a home sadly I never asked where. It will be interesting if you reply and we discover we are related.
kind regards Marie.
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Hi Marie, I'm sure that GW Senior didn't leave the family as I have a copy of his death certificate & the informant was your Grandmother's son Frederick Carr. They were all living at 4 Myra St. GW Snr died of Pulmonary Tuberculosis. My Grandmother, Susan Ellen Orriss was GW Snr's daughter so we are 1st cousins! I have lots of information on the Orriss family and quite a big tree on Ancestry if you're interested. Kind regards. Christine
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Hi Christine thank you for your reply, I am baffled as why my dad always told me he never knew his father,there was a Fredrick Carr also Edward and I think Ann Carr dads half brothers and sister ,I find it surprising that I may now have a cousin and I would be interested to learn more of the Orriss family most of my information as come from Roots Chat ,as I lost all contact with the Carr family in the 60s and never met anyone from the Orriss side .
Regards
Marie.
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Hi Marie,
Your Dad would only have been 8 when his Dad died so perhaps it's not so surprising that he had no memories. GW snr died of TB so could have been ill for some time before his death. It seems very sad.
I wondered if your Dad was sent to the Forest Gate School which was part of the Pop
lar Union? I found records that show that both Frederick & Edward Carr were sent there in 1895. Just a thought.
If you'd like to see what I have on the family please email me me on (*) and I'll give you access to my tree etc.
Regards
Chris
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Hi Chis thank you for the information I would like to know more about the family as for kindly allowing me access to your tree it would have to be through a PM.
Regards
Marie.
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Hi Marie,
PM me on my email address or on Facebook and I'll give you access to the tree
Chris
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Hi Chris I did email you just after your last post just wondering if you received it, I cant contact you on Facebook as I have never registered ,hope all is well with you and to hear from you soon
Regards
Marie
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Hi Rose, I did receive your email and have sent you an invitation through Ancestry to view the Tree. I'll resend it again today, but it might be worth checking your Spam Folder in case it's sitting there. Regards. Chris
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Thanks Chris
nothing my Spam Folder at the moment will check again later.
Marie.
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Hi Marie,
Just checked on Ancestry and the invitation has gone out 3 times now. Hope you can locate it at your end
Chris