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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: jbarnes on Thursday 24 February 11 03:33 GMT (UK)
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COMPLETED - I am seeking information about the parents and siblings of Mary Pywell, born in Benefield around the late 1700s. She married Samuel Thorpe in 1831 and may have moved to Isleworth, Middlesex soon after. Anyone know anything?
Many thanks :)
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Welcome to rootschat jbarnes.
I take it you have already seen this submitted record on the IGI?:
Mary Pywell
b 5 Nov 1802
chr 25 Dec 1802
Benefield
father Duke
mother Susanna
There are also a number of other children born to the same couple.
How did you estimate Mary's birth at late 1700's?
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Confirmation that the IGI record is correct as same records appear on FreeREG. Mary's birth is given as 6th Nov 1802. Not sure if this is the correct family but there are six other children born to this couple. Three of them died young - buried St Mary.
Duke Pywell married Susanna Bowman
Benefield St Mary The Virgin
10 Mar 1800
groom parish: Thorpe Achurch
wit: William CUnnington and John Wilson
Duke signed Susanna made her mark
Duke Pywell
b 18 Mar 1775
chr 17 Apr
St Mary Benefield
father William
mother Elizabeth
All info from FreeREG.
Several Pywell families in Benefield.
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Maybe Duke is Marmaduke? There is a Marmaduke b 1775 and Susanna in Benefield in 1841 census. Loads of Pywells in Northamptonshire ...
I'll wait for your response before I continue, possibly too far along the wrong track ...
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Thanks Ruskie, you certainly have put in a bit of work into the Pywells. Yes, there were a lot of them in the area, and trying to identify which one married Samuel Thorpe is part of the problem.
I calculated her age from the 1851 UK Census, in which she is recorded as 60 years old (Samuel was 48) - I have not been able to find her in either the 1841 or 1861 census to confirm if the figure is accurate or not. If the number is 10 years out than Duke and Susannah would fit the timeframe. I will have a closer look at the other children for any mention of them in my 'tree'.
Thanks again for your input - much appreciated.
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Um, stranger things have happened but Mary being 60 while Samuel is 48 in the 1851 census, makes me a little suspicious. Especially as they have a 9 year old daughter making Mary 51 when she gave birth to her. Or perhaps Mary's year of birth is incorrect.
What evidence do you have that Mary and Samuel moved to Isleworth after their marriage in 1831?
They are obviously back in Northamptonshire in 1851. Daughter Charlotte was born in 1833 in Northamptonshire.
Do you have their marriage entry?
I couldn't read the 9 year old daughter's name but it is transcribed as Susan. I wonder if this is a hint that the child is named after her grandmother Susanna? ;) A submitted record on the IGI gives her name as Susanna and her chr as 13 Mar 1842 Benefield.
It is looking possible that the above family is correct.
I will try to find them on other censuses.
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I am having problems locating the family in 1841 and 1861 censuses.
All I can find is Susan Thorpe in 1861 - she is 22 a visitor to Ann Jupp a 66 year old Widow b Wiltshire - living in Isleworth.
In 1861 Edward is an Oilman's Porter(?) married to Anne and living in Westminster.
Can't find the others. Maybe someone else can come to the rescue.
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1841 they are under SHAPE living in Benefield.
HO107/808/2/Benefield
Trish :)
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To SAMUEL/MARY. Benefield, Northants
JOHN 07 Nov 1832, Buried 10 Nov 1832
CHARLOTTE 10 Nov 1833
FRANCES 18 April 1837
JOHN 13 Dec 1835
FRANCES 18 April 1837, Buried 22 April 1837
EDWARD 09 Sept 1838
SARAH 22 March 1840, Buried 21 April 1840
SUSANNA 13 March 1842
SARAH 11 Jan 1848
I think on the 1841 Census Harry should be Henry whose Christening I cant find!
Trish :)
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1861 census Charlotte is a Servant born c 1836, Bitchfield ;D
Living in Middlesex
RG9/99/141/29
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Well found Trish!
Shape indeed. It is clearly Thorpe. ::)
Anyway, Samuel is born out of county (I thought it was Leicestershire on the 1851 but writing is not clear). Have you traced Samuel's family jbarnes?
More importantly the 1841 census gives bothe Samuel and Mary's ages as 35, so even taking into account rounding of ages, she is not that much older than Samuel. ;)
It makes the Benefield chr I found look more promising.
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Amazing find, Trish, how did you come across Shape? Anyway, between your find and your effort, Ruskie, I am now sure I have a firm sighting of Mary Pywell's lot and, in particular, Susanne's link to Samuel. Thanks to both of you for that!
In answer to your question, Ruskie, identifying Samuel's parents is a bit of a lottery - from different sources, he is variously listed as being born in Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, and Northampton, so I am still hunting.
But, again, thanks for you help with Mary P.
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Samuel is variously listed as being born in Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, and Northampton,
I wonder if this is a clue about his place of birth? Possibly one of the towns/villiages near the border where the counties meet.
It might be worth looking at the counties and their borders, seeing if there have been any changes and when these changes took place, and then looking at Samuel's places of birth on the censuses to see if you can make any connection.
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Hi All,
I found them by looking for a Charlotte born c 1834 ( no surname) living in Benefield and got lucky ;D
Trish :)
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Brilliant, you and Ruskie have enabled me to mark this post 'completed' - many thanks :)
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Hi there,
I havent visited Rootsweb for a few years, just logged on and found your thread. I have quite a lot of details of the Pywells of benefield. Duke (Marmaduke) is my 4 x gt grandad. He was married to Susanna Bowman. Mary Pywell was b in 1802 and lived and worked in Benefield (Northants) all her life. I cannot find any trace of her leaving. (She is my 3x Gt Aunty) She married Samuel Lee in 1832 in Kettering, and died 2 March 1887. I can go back beyond Duke by a few more generations. I recently went up to Benefield and visited the local church. It was really beautiful and I took photos. Hope that helps all the best
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Greetings Applebottom,
I am delighted to hear from you and hope you can help me further: My 4xgGrandmother was Mary Pywell, born Benefield and married Samuel Thorpe, in Benefield, 18th December, 1831. Apparently, not the Mary Pywell of your line as she married Samuel Lee in 1832! Making matters worse (for my research) is the possibility that both Marys had fathers by the name of Marmaduke Pywell and both Marys (and Samuels) stayed in Northamptonshire.
It was a daughter, Susanna Thorpe, who left for Isleworth, Middlesex, sometime after 1851 and married John Barnes (my ggGrandfather) in 1866. But, who were (my) Mary Pywell's parents? Can you help?
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I really should visit this site more often shouldnt i! Mmm, interesting that we have two Mary's - one of us could be wrong of course. I will need to go back through my research and see what I can find and see how I know that my Mary was married to Samuel (I say this because she is a more remote relative of mine so it is very easy to be a bit more loose with the research, whereas when its a direct relative you can usually be 98-100% certain of your research). Leave it with me!
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Greetings applebottom - yes, I have also been away a bit lately. But, thanks for responding and I look forward to reading anything you can uncover about Mary and Sam.
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Hi there.. I am recently doing some research of my past family and came across these comments..
The research of Marmaduke Pywell 1775-1843 i found states himself and his wife Susanna Bowman to of conceived 13 children whom one of them is Mary.. Although the information i have states she died in 1887. There other childrens names are:
Thomas
Sarah 1804-1805
Elizabeth 1807-??
Anne 1809-??
Alice 1810-1812
William 1813-1884
Fanny 1816-1886
Charlotte 1817-??
James 1819- 1819
Caroline 1820
Samuel 1823-1890.
This is how far i have made it back and am now stuck 😟 x
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Hello you Pywells with the Benefield connection. I was born in Benefield and go back to William and Millicent. Wiliam married at sixteen I believe and his eldest was Samuel my greatgrandfather. Mary was second child of Marmaduke and Susannah. Not sure of relationship between this William and Marmaduke but buried in adjacent graves in Benefield churchyard I believe but William's inscription very unclear. William important name in my tree and a grandfather clock had to be passed on to a William,
Tony Pywell (A.I.A Pywell) born 1935
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Welcome to Nicola and Tony. :)
I hope everyone with an interest in Pywells can get together and sort this lot out. Great that you have all found eachother here on Rootschat. ;D
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I am now wondering which of Nicola's forbears was the last to live in Benefield
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Lets hope Nicola has enabled notifications and is receiving emails that there has been a reply to this topic.
A member has to make three posts before they cand send and receive PMs ( ie personal messages), so no one can contact her.
Lets hope she returns soon.
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Interesting lot these Pywells. How several generations stayed in the Benefields(Upper and Lower)
and others dispersed. Guess that is what families do.
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Hi Nicola Pywell, Tony Pie and Ruskie - my apologies for not responding to you earlier. Some health issues have kept me out of circulation for a while, but I hope to get back into family matters in the near future - meanwhile I will take a closer look at all the info you have provided and try to update my findings.
Thanks again guys...
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Hi, I’m new to this site, or at least I haven’t been on it for 10 years plus. Good to see enquiries about the Pywells. Marmaduke is one of mine, his daughter Fanny married a Francis and moved from Benefield up north to Stockport. I can go beyond Marmaduke to his dad William b1750-1814, his dad william, 1728 and his dad William 1697. This Williams wife was a Dorothy Percival. I have been to Benefield, the church is great
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Hi Tonypie and Ruskie.
So sorry for such a late reply, unsure you will even see this as it has been so long. I had changed my email address and completely forgot about this forum. so never had any notifications.
I still have family that live in Benefield. my nana lena lived there all her life till she died at the age of 92. my grandad still has a sister that lives there. my family live in corby which is not that far from Benefield.
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Hi Nicki,
If you have an old profile we can connect you with this so that you are still receiving new replies but we need to know what it is to merge your profiles ?
Regards
Sarah
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Hi. I have a Mary Pywell, born 5 Nov 1802 And died in 1887. Daughter of Marmaduke and Susannah. She married Samuel Lee. I have a page on Anc.co.uj. She may be yours, in which case good to meet you! Marmaduke and Susannah are my 4x Gt grand parents but Mary is my 4 x great aunt.