RootsChat.Com

Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: snimmo243 on Tuesday 22 February 11 17:59 GMT (UK)

Title: help i can't find death certs
Post by: snimmo243 on Tuesday 22 February 11 17:59 GMT (UK)
Hi there are a number of people in my tree that I can't find death certs for any advice ?

Steven
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 22 February 11 18:03 GMT (UK)
Hi

A bit more info may help us to help you

(eg) what years are you looking for - pre or post 1855

Presume you are looking on Scotlands People  www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: snimmo243 on Wednesday 23 February 11 20:46 GMT (UK)
Hello
I've got back to a marriage in 1818 of my Nisbet tree and there are various people from then up to the early 1900's I can't seem to find death certs and in some cases births (incl OPRs) or census returns. I've been at the archive place in Edinburgh a few times and was looking for general advice rather than specifics (as there is a fair amount) as to any other avenues I may look down or something I'm missing
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: Little Nell on Wednesday 23 February 11 21:37 GMT (UK)
Have you allowed for possible variants?  Nisbet(t) and Nesbit(t)

Can you tell us where they lived and perhaps what you have found.  Spellings can be very inconsistent and add to that the possibilities of illegible writing and it can be very easy to get mangled results.  Personally I find the IGI a little more forgiving in terms of spellings and it will produce more results from which you can always use their spelling to find the originals on ScotlandsPeople.

Are they likely to have left wills?  Perhaps a quick search of the index for these on ScotlandsPeople might throw up some possibilities, or at least give you an idea of some variant spellings.

Pre-1855 not all burials are recorded and that can be very frustrating.  It all depends on the area.  The ScotlandsPeople site has links to lists of the dates for OPR and will indicate if there are burials recorded for the time period in question.

Nell
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: snimmo243 on Wednesday 23 February 11 21:46 GMT (UK)
Thanks Nell
Firstly what is IGI?
One specific person is fairly recent
George Nisbet
b. 2?/08/1901
Thornhill Rd Falkirk
f. George nisbet
m. Jean Nisbet (Jamieson)
We believe he died very young possibly before 1903. The family movements (gleaned from other births) are Torphichen 1903 - 1909+ Muiravonside 1909? - 1924
cheers
Steven
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: Little Nell on Wednesday 23 February 11 22:01 GMT (UK)
The IGI is the International Genealogical Index found on this site:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

However, it is not likely to be much use to you because it generally peters out as far as dates are concerned in about 1875 or so for Scotland.  Since you mentioned 1818, I unwisely thought that you were looking at this earlier time frame.

Have you eliminated all possibilities from ScotlandsPeople?  You may have to wait for the 1911 census to be released later this year to check for the number of children the couple had and how many had died. 

Nell
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: snimmo243 on Wednesday 23 February 11 22:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks again

I have lots of variable information on my tree, I would like to go further back than 1818 but seem to have hit a brick wall and am therefore trying to fill in the blanks on the newer generations in the hope that I will get more vital information on the older generations.
I've got pretty much all info on my G.Gran generation with the exception of this death.
I've got births back to 1820 with the exception of two around 1850 -1855 and when it comes to deaths my ggg generation, gggg generation and ggggg generation it is practically non - existant.
My 1818 marriage is between John Nisbet and Helen (Ellen) Aitchison in Coldingham parish
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: tidybooks on Wednesday 23 February 11 22:52 GMT (UK)
Hi snimmo243,

A good site for pre-1855 events is "FreeReg",  http://freereg.rootsweb.com/

 It is particularly good for East Lothian but some other counties are not covered. Try it, you get some good info.

Tom
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: snimmo243 on Thursday 24 February 11 21:08 GMT (UK)
hi Tom
thanks for that I'll give it a look
steven
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: tidybooks on Thursday 24 February 11 22:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Steven,

You want to give me some names and dates and counties if known.

Tom
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: snimmo243 on Wednesday 09 March 11 21:23 GMT (UK)
Hi tom

The two births I'm struggling to find are a brother and sister:
George Nisbet c1852 in Dirleton
Mary Nisbet c1854-7 in Haddington
Father James Nisbet
Mother Agnes Denholm

I'm also struggling to find the death of their father James, the last record of him is in prospect place, Edinburgh (canongate) aged 67 on the 1891 census.

A few generations later I can't find a death for George Nisbet who was born in Falkirk in 1901.
Father George Nisbet
Mother Jeannie (Jane) Sutherland

I believe he died young and estimate his death between 1901 and 1921 at latest

Thanks Steven
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: ails81 on Tuesday 22 March 11 20:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Steven

The only George Nesbit death I can see on SP is the one below:
1902 NISBET George male aged 0 Muiravonside/Stirling   #486/00 0047

Although its in Stirling area, its not far from Falkirk so could this be him??

There are 2 deaths of a James Nisbet in Edinburgh that could be your man

1906 NISBET James male aged 79 St Giles Edinburg City/Midlothian #685/04 0205      
1909 NISBET James male aged 85 St George Edinburg City/Midlothian #685/01 0222

The births just might not have been registered at all.

Hope that helps
Aileen
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: tidybooks on Tuesday 22 March 11 23:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Steven,

From FreeReg, 27 Dec 1845 was date of marriage between James Nisbet and Agnes Denham or Denholm at Oldhamstocks, also an extracted record on IGI.

1851 Census     
1851/705 Folio 0 Page 1
Dirleton -East Lothian

NISBET James Head M 26  Farm Servant born ColdhamBerwickshire -     
DENHOLM Agnes Wife M  26 born North Berwick     
MCLOUD Baty Servnt U 27 Farm Labourer born  Skye,Dounverkinaly  Inverness-shire

1861 Census     
1861/703 Folio 0 Page 13
Farm Steading Of Betany
Athelstaneford -East Lothian
     
NISBET James Head  M 37  Ploughman born Haddington     
NISBET Agnes  Wife M 37 born Prestonkirk     
NISBET George Son  10 Scholar born Dirleton     
NISBET Mary Dau 7 Scholar born Haddington     
NISBET Peter   Son 4 born Tranent   Birth: 17 OCT 1856
NISBET Helen Dau 1 born Athelstaneford   Birth: 24 NOV 1859
WILSON John  Servnt  U 16 born Bondager Leith     


2 other children to James Nisbet and Agnes Denholm are -
ISABELLA NISBET - Birth: 07 JUN 1862 Athelstaneford
THOMAS NISBET - Birth: 05 JUN 1865 Athelstaneford

I still cannot find OPRs for baptism of George and Mary.

Tom

   

Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: snimmo243 on Wednesday 23 March 11 12:51 GMT (UK)
Thanks Aileen and Tom,
I'll look up those three deaths, in particular the Muiravonside one looks promising.
Tom, thanks for the obvious time you've put in I already have most of that info but as you can see the frustrating thing is the two births which seem not to exist, doubly frustrating as George is the direct link down to me.

I'm planning on going to the GRO once the 1911 census is released if you guys need a look up let me know

Steven
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: kris47 on Wednesday 23 March 11 13:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Steven,
       I have quite a lot of info on East Lothian "Nisbets"   if you send me a P.M. with your email address I will forward it to you.

Kris
Title: Re: help i can't find death certs
Post by: snimmo243 on Friday 08 April 11 20:48 BST (UK)
Hi Aileen
The George you found mas indeed the correct one,

Thanks

Steven