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Hello, I am having great difficulty tracing the marriage of my 3 x great grandfather John Cole, who was a potter. His first pottery was in George Street, St. Judes, Bristol circa 1820. in 1830 He moved his business The Albert Pottery to St Philip's marsh until his death in 1835, when his wife Frances took over. I know he married a Frances and they had at least 3 children Fanny / Frances? 1819 Thomas H Cole 1821 and Elizabeth 1832.
I have been unable to find his death or birth certificate so don't know his year of birth. I also can't find a birth record for my g x 2 grandfather Thomas Henry Cole, John's son.
I know this is a difficult one, but any help would be much appreciated, Sara.
PS. I think John's father was John Hillhouse Cole.
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Although in the 1841 Frances/Fanny/Elizabeth are born in County ie Glous if I have the correct 1851 Census Frances is born London.
Is that what you have found?
1851 Census
1 Coles Lane,
Bristol St Philip and St Jacob,
Gloucestershire
HO107/1954/608/18
Fances(sic) COLE, 65, Head, Widow, Potter, born London
Fances (sic) FOWLER, 35, Daug, Widow, born Bristol
It is then possible the Marriage took place c 1806-1810 in London area as Brides often married in their own Parish and other Children could have been born before Frances in 1818 in Glous.
Possible Marriage;
Frances Ann COLE, June 1846, Bedminster, 11 78
On the same page is Charles FOWLER
Possible Death for Charles March 1847, Stroud, 11 420
Trish :)
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Maybe just a coincidence and second name is not right but worth noting;
Thomas Hamans COLE, Christened 25 February 1821, St Philip and St Jacob, Bristol, Gloucester, England.
Parents JOHN and FRANCES
(IGI Extracted Record)
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Cole and Spokes were brown stone potters, in Avon street, during 1815 and 1816. They may have been succeeded by Spokes and Bourne in 1816. James Spokes was also in Avon Street during 1817 and 1818, although this could be John Spokes. A John Spokes is also listed in Avon Street from 1817 and the pottery remained with the family until 1889. Coles and Pearce are also listed in Avon Street during 1825. A John Cole is also listed in Great George Street (1820) and St. Philips Marsh from 1830 to 1835, making brown stone and red wares. John Cole was succeeded by Francis Cole (1836-1856). In 1845 she insured her brown-stone and red-ware pottery, plus two nearby houses and a small tenement. Between 1837 and 1846 Edward Hillhouse Cole took out five insurance policies on different properties. He is described as a potter and retailer of beer, although no policy mentions a pottery. His address is given as 22 York Street, Dings. In 1830 John Hillhouse Cole and John Cole junior, potters, voted from St Philip's Marsh. The entries are the same in 1832, with the addition of John Cole, victualler, Marsh (this may be a duplicate vote). In 1835 and 1837 the victualler does not vote, but the others do. In 1834 John Cole paid £2.8.9 duty and J Spokes paid £1.5.0.
Edward Hillhouse COLE Married Elizabeth PRITCHARD, 09 Jan 1833, St Paul, Bristol, Glous
If I have the right couple Edward and Elizabeth appear on the 1841 census both aged 25 (rounded possibly) and he is a Potter.
HO107/378/10/St Philip and St Jacob
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Was Thomas's Death Reg Dec 1867, Clifton, Glous age 46?
Then he is under Thomas Haines Cole which works sort of with the Christening I found????
So Frances could be Haines/hamans or similar.
Trish :)
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Hello Trish, Yes this is Thomas, birth year death dates right. I have the 1841/51 census,1851 says Frances was born in London, 1841 has tick in born in this County?
Thank you very much for the information on the Potteries, well done.
I have been interested in Edward Hillhouse Cole as I think he may be Thomas's brother, as I think John Hillhouse Cole was his father, must be a family name, perhaps the maiden name of John H Cole's mother?
Are Gloucestershire records hard to research? as I haven't had much luck with this side of the family. Can't find records that normally just pop up. Do you think they may be held elsewhere?
Once again thank you for all your effort, Sara.
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Thomas Cole (Master Potter The Albert Pottery St Philips Marsh Bristol) was my GG Grandfather. His youngest daughter Emily Lavinia Cole married my Great Grandfather Joseph Whyatt in 1868. Thomas ( Henry/Homas/Hamans) Cole's father was John Cole who married Frances Inks at St Martins in the Fields, Westminster, London in1798. I have that marriage certificate. John and Frances were Master Potters in London and had eight children, the last being Thomas who was baptised 25th February 1821 at St Philips and St Jacobs Bristol. Hope this is helpful, I have much more information if you would like it. Freda94
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Hello Freda94,
I am very pleased to hear from you, and yes, I would like any information you have, would be wonderful.
Have you any records showing John and Francis were master potters in London?
I have managed to find quite a few snippings from the local Bristol papers of the time, with all sorts of information including a report on John's death. an apprentice record involving John jnr etc.
My g grandmother was Rosina, sister to Emily.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes, Sara.
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Hi Sara
Thanks for your reply! Very exciting to find a decendant of Rosina my Great Grandmother Emily's sister.
I am very interested in finding out more about Leonora, Rosina and Emily's Mother Lavinia and her parents Frederick John Williams and Sophia Ann Williams. If you could help with any information , that would be great!
Many thanks Freda94
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We have been looking at our Cole family of potters in Tottenham for many years. They began with a Daniel Cole who married a lady from Gloucestershire in 1792 and moved to London where he was a potter from at least 1808. His third son John Cole, also our ancestor, was a potter at Tottenham all his life and became a pottery owner. Many other family members were potters, in Middlesex and in Kent.
We have not confirmed Daniel's origins yet, but he may be the Daniel, son of Thomas, baptised at Chippenham in Wilts in 1768. He named his sons Daniel, Thomas and John. There seem to be a number of parallels with your family, although this may be just coincidence. Have you found the birth of your John Cole yet? Could he be a brother of our Daniel?
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Hello, thank you very much for your reply. I have often wondered if your Tottenham Cole's are related to my Cole's, but can't seem to find the birth place of my John Cole. Have you any idea of where Daniel married in Gloucestershire? Do you know if he was a potter then, or did he follow another line of work?
I think my John Cole married a Francis Inks in St Martins, Westminster in 1798, At least three of their children including John were born in St Mary, Lambeth around the turn of the century. I next pick him up in Bristol in 1807 where he is a potter: John Cole ( Potter) and Frances take William son of Richard Elbury, Bristol Yeoman, as apprentice. Record taken from Old Bristol Potteries by W J Pountney. Page320.
Do you know if you have any association at all with Bristol?
Best wishes, Sara.
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Hi Bruce, I can tell you when , where, and how John Cole (Master Potter, married Frances Inks 29 October 1798 St Martins in the fields London) died. He fell out of his gig while trying to rescue his dog who had jumped out and was trod upon by the horse. He was taken to the Masons Arms, Stapleton, Bristol and died there overnight from head injuries 26 June 1835. His wife Frances was with him . They had several older children born in Lambeth and Shoreditch, then they appear to have come to Bristol about 1815 or possibly earlier when John dissolved his partnership with John Hilhouse Wilcox (one time mayor of Bristol) and Thomas Hamans Cook ( who, he appears to have named his youngest son, my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Hamans Cole, after) They were Stone-Ware Potters in Cheese Lane, St Philips Bristol. Sadly I don't know when and where he was born, or if he was related to your "Cole Family Potters" but it seems quite likely. I did find a birth for a John Cole on the IGI, born 16 January 1779, Christened 31st January 1779, St. Leonard's Shoreditch London (Father Robert, Mother Magdalene) which could be my John. Frances, Thomas and his wife Lavinia are buried together in Arnos Vale Cemetery,Bristol. Hope this is helpful.
Freda 94
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Dear Freda,
Thank you for the information and the offer of more information. Have I explained that your John Cole who married in London and moved to Bristol as a potter, has a very similar history to our Daniel Cole who became established as a potter in Islington about the same time. It seems very likely there is a connection. Daniel married An Moss at St Pancras in 1792 and had issue including a John in 1807 who was baptised at St Pancas in 1808. I will be pleased to sent a copy of all my notes if you would contact me
I would like to know as much as possible about John and Frances in the period before they moved to Bristol. Could you give me the details of baptisms of their children in London? You said that he was already a master potter, but where did this record come from?
There is an old family story that our Coles in Islington and then Tottenham were related to Martins in Bristol, but I think that story and connections to the Coles in Bristol will be best found through the relationship in London before say 1807, and I would like to concentrate on that.
I have emailed your information to Pat Cryer who has the cole-potteries website and she too is keen to look into this further.
Best wishes,
Bruce
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Hello all, I wonder if this is John's Christening:
First name(s) JOHN
Last name COLE
Birth year 1776
Birth day -
Birth month -
Baptism year 1776
Baptism day 09
Baptism month Jun
Parish St Clement Danes
Father's first name(s) Daniel
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Middlesex
Page 21
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
Westminster Archives
I know it would make him three years older than states in the newspaper article advising of his death. But quite often ages were wrong.
This record is from the Westminster set. John married in Westminster. Sara.