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I am trying to find information on a relation who married in America. What I now so far is that Margaret Paterson b11 june 1879 in Hamilton,scotland. went to America in 1907 with her mother and sisters,and that the were staying with there mothgers brother hyram Young in 101 factorys street,monongahela. I belive that she married a John Sowers around about 1916. She also Had a daughter Elizabeth PAterson born2 25 dec 1904. any information on any of the family woukld be gratefully appreciated.
sicknote.
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Hello Sicknote,
Is this a possibility - Monongahela, Washington, Pennsylvania in 1930. John could have been married before but the ages at marriage don't add up ???
John Sowers 75 Born Pennsylvania. Married at 70 years. Launderer. Cleaning Dept. Owns Home $3000
Margaret Sowers 51 Born Scotland. Married at 40 years. Immigrated 1901 NA
Regards
Sandra
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1920 Monongahela Ward 1, Washington, Pennsylvania
John Sowers 53 Born Penn. Labourer at Paper Mill
Margaret Sowers 39 Born Scotland. Parents Scotland. Immigrated 1898. NA
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for that. it sounds like it could be them. how can i go about and find out when they died.. And is there any mention of her daughter elizabeth.
sicknote.
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Hello Sicknote,
Not finding Elizabeth I'm afraid - looking at the SSDI Index - there are 8 Elizabeth's with that birth date, where it was issued in Pennsyvania but no way of telling which one might be her.
There is no BMD Index to check for Pennsylvania deaths. There is a public library in Monongahela with an "Ask Here" option - says its a free service to residents !! Wonder if it would be worth an e-mail anyway - just to see if some kind soul could find any records for you or point you in a direction ?
Regards
Sandra
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I found an article from 13 Jan. 1933 that said that John Sowers, age 78 of Monongahela, committed suicide. It said he had been in ill health. His wife Margaret, a sister, and a brother were the only survivors mentioned.
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Hi Shellyesq,
which site did you find the article on John Sowers.
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Trying to check through the Young family to see if Elizabeth Paterson 1904 is with them.
1910 with Hyram Young (Factory Street) - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0byy/ - No sign
1920 with James/John Young and Mother Mary Young at Factory Street (Hiram has died) - No sign
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bz0/
1930 James Young and wife Blanche (and Matha Young aged 70 years - widowed at Factory Street - no sign.
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Hi Shellyesq,
which site did you find the article on John Sowers.
It's a subscription site. If you'd like, I can send you the article if you send me your e-mail address in a private message.
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Hi Sandra,
Got some more information on my Paterson's. Had a visit today from a cousin who has given me some certs from America. My Great great grandmother arrived in America in 1907 with her daughtres.
Elizabeth Paterson b 26 oct 1890 Ellen Paterson b1 april 1884 Margaret Paterson b 11 june 1879 Mary paterson b24 may 1895.
There were other family members but they all came back too Scotland. What I have been given is the death cert of my GGgrandmother died 28 march 1910 at 500 east main st 1st monongahala,washington.
Marriage cert for Margaret Paterson to John Sower,both previously married but partners were deceased. which is weir as margarets first marriage in Scotland in 1904 to John sommerville I can not find a death for him between 1907 and 1916.
Marriage cert for Ellen Paterson to a Michael w hill ion the 16 april 1910 in Monongahela pa.
Was wondering if you could find something there families.
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Hi shellyesq
Have sent you a P.M
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Hello Sicknote,
I wonder if this could be a possibility in 1920 ??? The date of the 1910 US Census was 15 th April 1910 and the marriage 16th April 1910
Smith, Washington, Pennsylvania.
Mike Hill 33 Born PA. Occupation looks like Molesman.
Helen O Hill 33 Born Scotland. Immigrated 1908. NA.
Mike Hill 8 Born PA.
Elizabeth Hill 6 Born PA.
James Hill 4 yrs 4 mths. Born PA
George Hill 2 yrs 2 mths. Born PA.
Regards
Sandra
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Same Family 1930 Smith, Washington, Pennsylvania ???
Mike Hill 47 Married at 30 years. Labourer at Coal Mine.
Helen Hill 46 Born Scotland. Married at 29 years
Mike Hill 18 Labourer at coal-mine.
Elizabeth Hill 16 - Jane Hill 13 - George Hill 11 - Anna Hill 9
Daughter Hill 6
Daughter Hill 4
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1910 Census Monongahela Ward 1, Washington, Pennsylvania.
FACTORY STEET. ;D A few entries below the Young family.
Michael Hill 25 Marriage 1. Just married - No months recorded. Miner at Coal Mine.
Nellie Hill 26 Born Scotland. Has 0 children.
Regards
Sandra
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WW2 Draft for Michael William Hill. Born 23 Jan 1885 Fayette. Pennsylvania. Resides Box 295 Atlasburg. Smith Township. Washington. Pennsylvania. Born Lemont. Pennsylvania. States he is unemployed. The name of the person who will always know him is the youngest daughter - aged 4 on the 1930 Census. This could indicate that Nellie/Helen/Ellen had died by this time ???
Michael was 5 ft 9 1/2 ins. 160 lbs. Blue Eyes and Brown Hair. Light Complexion and no distinguishing marks. Dated April 27th 1942
WW1 Draft for Mike Hill Born 23 Jan 1885
Washington. Pennsylvania. Miner for Carneige Coal Co. Atlasburg. Washington. PA. Names his wife as Nellie Hill. Dated Sept 1918
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Elizabeth Hill Born 8 Dec 1913 Died 28 October 1990. Married to Michael Walters.
Last Residence: 15004 Atlasburg, Washington, Pennsylvania.
Last Benefit: 10580 Rye, Westchester, New York,.
SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
Husband Michael Walters. Born 18 October 1910 and Died July 1981
Last Residence: 10580 Rye, Westchester, New York.
SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
Son James Walters. Born 15 Apr,1939 and Died 15 Sep 1995 in Atlasburg, Washington, Pennsylvania,
as per family tree entry.
Note:- Helen listed as Helen Patterson.
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Hi Sandra,
You are a absoute start ;D ;D ;D. What wonderfull information if i was there i would give you a kiss. I have spent almost 5 years trying to get information,on that side of the family.
Shellyesq....thanks for the newspaper report alson owe you a kiss.
Bill p
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Hello Bill P
Your very welcome, pleased we have been able to help you a little.
All The Best
Sandra ;)
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Hi sandra and shellyesq,
Thank you for all your help.
Looking for one more favour. I have been foing through the rest of the certificates that i got from my cousin. And Have more more another member of the family.
Gavin Paterson who is the brother of the other members that you help me with went to America in 1913 and whas then followed by his wife and kinds in 1919.
They were John Paterson b 20 oct 1906 scotland maried a Ruth Pickering on the 28 oct 1933 in webster pennsylvania.
helen mclean johnston paterson b 15 dec 1907 scotland married a harvey david gillingham 16 aug 1928 in monongahela pa.
welizabeth young paterson b 6 aug 1911 scotland married aherman burgoyne 11 sept 1928 webster pa
and there was a son george paterson b 30 march 1916 pennsylavania.
would it be possible to see what you can find out about them.
Thanks
Billy P
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Hello Billy P,
George Patterson - Born: 30 Mar 1916 and Died: Jul 1970
SSN issued: Railroad Board (Issued Through) (Before 1951)
Regards
Sandra
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Herman Burgoyne was born 1908 Grandson of Percival "Percy" Burgoyne and Sarah Ann Nothers.
There must be a story to find on this one - Herman Burgoyne died at the Crucible Steel Mill - He fell into a ladle and apparently the whole ladle was buried with him. :(
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The Charleroi Mail - March 29th 1929.
Herman Burgoyne aged 20 years of Victory Hill near Black Diamond was killed in the Midland Steel Mill near Alequippe. He is survived by his parents and a sister Mrs George Wagner of 8th Street Charleroi.
-no mention of a wife.
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Presumably Nellie is possibly Helen on this 1930 Census of Monongahela, Washington, Pennsylvania
Albert Gillingham 54 Born PA
Elsie L Gillingham 57 Born PA
Albert E Gillingham 28 Born PA
Harvey D Gillingham 22 Born PA. Carpenter. Building Construction
Elizabeth Gillingham 22 Born PA. Daughter-In-Law.
Nellie H Gillingham 22 Born Scotland. Immigrated 1912 NA. Daughter-In-Law.
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SSDI shows - Harvey D. Gillingham Born: 23 Aug 1907 and Died: 23 Apr 1989
SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
SSDI shows:- Nellie Gillingham. Born 15 Dec 1907 and Died Feb 1978
Last Residence: 15206 Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States of America
SSN issued: Pennsylvania (1968-1969)
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The wife and children seem to follow earlier than 1919 - Can see a Gavin Paterson on a New York Passenger List Born Coatbridge about 1882 and aged 31 years. Travelling Glasgow to New York arriving 14 April 1913 on SS Caledonia. Married. Occupaion:- Coal-Miner. Wife:- Elizabeth Paterson. South Blair. Larkhill. Going to Uncle Adam Johnstone. Flinthill. Youngstown. Ohio.
5ft 9 ins. Fair Complexion. Fair Hair and Blue Eyes. No distinguishing Marks.
Adam Johnstone had immigrated 1901 and lived in New Jersey 1910 before moving to Youngstown. Mahoning. Ohio. Seems to be married twice - first to Agnes (with one child) and then to Jessie Currie.
New York Passenger List shows - Lizzie Paterson. Born about 1885 West Calder and aged 28 years travelling Glasgow to New York arriving 25 August 1913 on SS California. Also tavelling are John 6. Nellie 5 and Bessie 2 years. Manifest markings indicate that Lizzie was possibly naturalized 15 th August 1939 (6 -83605) - John in 1937 - 6 -50134 - Nellie 5 Dec 1940 6- 107762 Bessie 15th March 1941 6- 111927
Nearest relative or friend in country from whence came was:- Brother-In-Law :- Harry Peterson. Kimberley Terrace. Notts.
They were going to Washington. PA. to husband Gavin Paterson. 113 Factory Street. Washington.
Family seem to disappear - not picking anything up on Gavin and Lizzie (Elizabeth)
Manifest Markings:-
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/Manifests/
Shows District 6 below
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/occ/do33-43.html
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Slightly mis-transcribed in 1930 - Difficult to read. - Carroll, Washington, Pennsylvania
Elizabeth Tillerson 44 Born Scotland. Widowed. Immigrated 1912. AL
John Tillerson 23 Born Scotland. Immigrated 1912 AL
George Tillerson 14 Born PA
Nellie Gillingham 22 Born Scotland. Daughter. Single. Immigrated 1912 AL
Bessie Burgoyne 19 Born Scotland. Daughter. Widowed. Immigrated 1912 AL
Male Burgoyne 11 months. Born PA. Grandson.
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This looks remarkably like the family in 1920 - but Gavin is George.
George Patterson 39 Born Scotland. Immigrated 1912 PA. Pumper. Coal-Mining.
Elizabeth Patterson 36 Born Scotland. Immigrated 1912 AL
John Patterson 13 Born Scotland
Hellen Patterson 12 Born Scotland
Elizabeth Patterson 8 Born Scotland
George Patterson 3 yrs and 8 months. Born PA
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Hi Sandra,
Once again that you ;D ;D ;D
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Your very welcome, pleased to find them in the end. ;)
Regards
Sandra