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I have used the wife's first name while researching the marriage and have been able to link a maiden name to the fore name through the Vol No. & Page No & date that match the husband's.
However my latest effort searching for a Sarah & a Robert Truesdale married about 1883-4 in Down Ireland has confused me as I was able to match a Vol No. & Page N0 for a Sarah married in Banbridge and a Robert Truesdale married in Banbridge but the dates are different one is first quarter 1883 & the other in third quarter 1884.
My question is what time frame do a Page & Vol No. span is it more than 1 year
Still learning
Fredbear
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As far as I know, a page has either 2 or 4 marriages on it.
Both parties will be on the same page.
eadaoin
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Thanks eadaoin
I have viewed pages with 4 names as the limit on them,
I think I have the right person as the vol & page Numbers match to both parties only the dates are wrong and may be an error
Regards fredbear
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Hi,
I can find the marriage of Robert Truesdale to Martha Moffitt in Ballyroney Presbyterian Church, Banbridge on 22 Jul 1884.
Regards
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Hi kingskerswell
Thanks for you help the Robert Truesdale I am after was married to a Sarah Louisa,
They were buried in the Church of Ireland church in Castlewellan, I was able to find the family in the 1901 & 1911 census in Clarkill, Castlewellan. the only Sarah that I found may match was Sarah Stretton
as their family started in 1885 I would expect the marriage to be about 1883-84.
The marriage of Sarah Stretton and the marriage of a Robert Truesdale has the same Vol Number & Page Number and both Banbridge but different dates.
Their headstone lists Roberts mother, Robert, his wife Sarah Louisa, and some of their children.
The war grave memorial for their son William justs lists his parents as Robert & Sarah Truesdale
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Hi,
I can find the marriage of Sarah STRATTON to John Sterrit in Dromore 1st Presbyterian Church on 28 May 1883.
Regards
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There is a marriage of a Robert and Sarah around the right time in Belfast
Name: Robert Trousdale
registration district: Belfast
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1883
Volume : 1 / Page : 335
Name: Sarah Maria Sterne
Registration: Belfast
event type : marriage
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1883
Volume : 1 / Page: 335
Shane
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Thanks kingskerswell
That rules out the people I had hopes for
i will start looking again, all the births were listed as Downpatrick but the marriage may have been in The UK
Regards fredbear
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Hi Shane I have looked at that Marriage before but the Name is wrong and Sarah's headstone lists her as Sarah Louisa Truesdale
I assume they were married as she is mentioned as his wife on their headstone. and both 1901 & 1911 census
Regards Fredbear
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Hi,
I can find the marriage of Sarah STRATTON to John Sterrit in Dromore 1st Presbyterian Church on 28 May 1883.
Regards
Hi kingskerswell,
Have found the missing Sarah, the 4 people on Vol No 1 & Page No 223 are Sarah Stratten & John Sterrit date 1883 and Sarah Russell & Robert Truesdale date 1884
Happy days
fredbear
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Fredbear,
Good news indeed. Unfortunately the Truesdale/Russell marriage is not listed in my sources.
Regards
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I think my lip is dropping again
the LDS data base lists Sarah Russell married Oct-Dec 1984 Vol 1 Page No 223 Banbridge
and Robert Truesdale married OCT-DEC 1884 Vol 1 Page No 223 Banbridge the other marriages on the page are Sarah Stratten & John Sterrit
I should have checked the church records the last time I visited Ireland in 2005 but I didn't know the names then
.Regards fredbear
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Fredbear,
Good news indeed. Unfortunately the Truesdale/Russell marriage is not listed in my sources.
Regards
Indeed you are correct the Russell & Truesdale marriages are in a different quarter in 1884 there must be more marriages on that page
sad fredbear
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Working on the knowledge that a child's birth certificate or record would have his mother's surname on it. I looked for the birth record of any of their children.
I found a birth record for Francis, aged 16 on the 1901 census. (I only did this because I have a lot of Truesdales in my tree!)
Would you believe, this is what it says:
date of birth 31.1. 1884
date of baptism 9.06.1884
Francis Trusdale (note, no e)
father: Robert Trusdale, shoemaker
mother Sarah - no surname given!
Seapatrick Church of Ireland
So this is a baptism record, not a civil record
You would have to get his birth certificate, or that of any of their other children, to find the mother's surname.
Hope this helps, or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
RosemaryJoan
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Hi Rosemary Joan,
You are correct Robert Truesdale was a shomaker his first born was Francis born 1884 Robert was my great grandfather his son Frederick born 1897 was my grandfather and he inherited his fathers shoe making tools which I have played with as a child my mother, Frederick's daughter was called after Roberts wife Sarah Louisa, the rest of Roberts family was born in Clarkill, Castlewellan in the Downpatrick registration district, I have as a child visited one of the Truesdales in Clarkill I think it was Francis who we knew as Franke Truesdale. I was looking for the Maiden name of Robert,s wife Sarah Louisa.
Robert also had a brother Francis about a year older than Robert.
You have got the right stick
If you have Truesdales in your family we may be related
I have included a headstone of the Truesdale from Clarkill on my profile the names on it may be of some interest to you
Regards fredbear
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fredbear
I have sent you a PM. What was Robert's father's name. I see his nother was Ellen. RosemaryJoan
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Hi Rosemary Joan,
Robert' Mother was Ellen Truesdale from Clarkill, Castlewellan.
I am unsure of Ellen's maritial status, she may have been Ellen Johnson who married a William Truesdale in 1850. However that is all I know about William, if he was Robert's father he either died young or left the family as there is no mention of him on Ellen's headstone.
Ellen had 2 children that I know of Francis & Robert. Ellen died 13 Dec 1875 aged 55 years which puts her birth about 1820.
Ellen Johnson was born 11 Sept 1820 the daughter of Bernard Rooney & Mary Johnson.I believe she married a William Truesdale in 1850 The Johnson family came from Kilcoo not far from Castlewellan
Robert died 26 Aug 1921 aged 69 which puts his birth about 1852.
Francis died 3 Aug 1925 aged 73 which puts his birth about 1852 maybe they were twins but I think Francis was born 1851 and they are the only children of Ellen Truesdale that I could find.
I will get my Grandfather Frederick Truesdale's birth certificate
many thanks for all your kind help
fredbear (Tasmania)
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Hi fredbear and Rosemary Joan,
I have just came onto this site today with lots of interest as both of you could be relations.My Dad came from Castlewellan and was brought up on a farm in Upper Clarkhill. I have done quite a lot of research on the family and the names that you mention with regards to Robert was a shoemaker then became a farmer and Sarah they were my Great Grand Parents. Sarah was Sarah Maria Stern .Their children were Francis born 1884 he had a son James, Richard born 1886, Sarah born 1887, Robert born 1889, William born 1892, David my Grandfather born 1895, ad lastly Fredrick born 1897. I hope this is what your looking for if its the one you are looking for I have more information.
CLAIDMHOR Scotland
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Claidmhor, This is very interesting. The family turned out to be fredbear's ancestors, but I helped him go back a bit further. I have Robert's marriage to Sarah Maria and two possible marriages for her Louisa's parents.
If you have these already O.K.
Let me know how far you have got back
RosemaryJoan
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Hi Rosemary Joan & Claidmhor
The Truesdales you mentioned are my family on my mothers side.
James Trusdale's son Robert (born 1828) married Ellen Ross of Clarkhill in Drumballyroney Church on 4 Sept 1849. Ellen was the daughter of James Ross a farmer of Clarkhill. Robert was a widower and Ellen was his second wife. They had 2 sons Francis & Robert. After Robert died Ellen moved back to her family at Clarkhill with her 2 sons. They became known as Truesdales
Ellen's son Francis married Elizabeth Ferguson they had 2 children May & Samuel. There may have been more children.
Ellen's son Robert married Sarah Louisa Sterne in Belfast on 26 Dec 1883.
They had seven children, Francis, Richard, Sarah, Robert, William, David & Frederick the later being my grandfather
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Hi Again
I think you are both ahead of me on some of the subjects but this is where I am. My Dad who passed away last July was William Richard Stern Truesdale son of David Truesdale and his wife Elizabeth Jane Hayes they had a daughter Louise who emigrated to Canada and married a Harold Spere they had one son who still lives in Canada. My grand-parents David And Eliza stayed on a farm in Upper Clarkhill. My grandfather died at an early age on 12th May 1935 as a result of an accident my grandmother remarried to Joe Kelly and came to Scotland with him.I have a copy of my great grandfathers will Robert who married Sarah Maria Stern from Belfast on 26th December 1883. I am sure you both know most of this already. My Dad told me his Uncle Frank stayed in 16 Blue Row Castlewellan and his family was Robert, Maisie, John, Frank and *. * went to America and joined the Police and as far as I am aware is still living on my last contact with his son * Truesdale.
His Uncle Fredrick Freddy as he called him stayed at 19 Blue Row and his family was Louise, James, Ruth, Eva and Samuel.
Aunt Maisie again he called her Cissie married George Kelly they also lived in Upper Clarkhill and their family was Victor, Bobby ad Maggie.
He also talked about John Truesdale who I assume was Franks son toured at times with carnivals he later became a paratrooper then a glider pilot he was shot down over Norway he eventually settled in Surrey. His other son Frank was badly wounded ended up a POW nd took part in the Chiang Kaj Chek if that's how it's spelt.
I am only as far back as my great grandfather and slowly working back , if you could provide me with any info I have not got an any copies of certificates/photo's of the family I would be deeply grateful as I don't have any photos of my far back relations.
Could I ask where both of you fit into our family tree.
Thank You
*details of living people removed in accordance with Rootschat policy
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Claidmohr
I don't fit in to this family, although at first, I thought I did. My Truesdales all came from Dromore,Co.Down, but I was interested in Robert Truesdale who turns out to be yours.
I will send you a private message so that I may scan and send you the records which I have.
RosemaryJoan
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fredbear
Reading your postings I believe we are related maybe a second cousin?
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Hi Claidmhor,
Yes we are related I am the son of Louisa Truesdale. Louisa passed away in 2005, her brother Samuel passed away 2 June this year.
I knew Franke & his brother John and I visited the Blue Row weekly up until 1971 when I left the area.
I have a photo of Ellen Truesdale's headstone which lists her sons their wives and some of their children.
Your grandfather's brother William died on the western front in 1916.
I have a photo of 19 Blue row taken after Fred Truesdale died and it was being renovated
Regards fredbear