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Title: Look up request - Ilkeston birth
Post by: steffers29 on Saturday 19 February 11 08:31 GMT (UK)
I have not been able to identify the birth certificate of Ann Howard - she was born in Ilkeston around 1856 - there are a number of possible index entries.  Her parents were Michael Howard and Margaret nee McMann - they were Roman Catholics.  She had a brother, John, born 11/05/1858 - I have his birth certificate.

I would be grateful if anyone has chance to look up her baptism in the records for the local RC Church.  Thank you in anticipation

Stephanie
Title: Re: Look up request - Ilkeston birth
Post by: Jan Ann on Monday 14 March 11 11:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Stephanie
 :)
Do you have any other details please?

I cant see a Michael Howard and wife Margaret, kids John & Ann  in the 1861 census at all. Where have you found that Ann was born in Ilkeston? I see Michael & margaret married in Wigan, Lancs?

Cheers
Jan :-*
Title: Re: Look up request - Ilkeston birth
Post by: suzard on Monday 21 March 11 23:15 GMT (UK)
Quote from: steffers29 on Saturday 19 February 11 08:31 GMT (UK)
I have not been able to identify the birth certificate of Ann Howard - she was born in Ilkeston around 1856 - there are a number of possible index entries. 

Stephanie


Basford is the registration district for Ilkeston

There are no Ann Howard births reg 1854-1858 in Basford reg district???

Suz
Title: Re: Look up request - Ilkeston birth
Post by: steffers29 on Tuesday 22 March 11 14:31 GMT (UK)
Ann's brother John was born on 11th May 1858 in Ilkeston - I have his certificate - Basford 7b 112 - and he was definitely her brother.  His 12th child Vera married Ann's grandson Dennis (strange but true)

Ann states on the 1911 census return that she was born in Ilkeston - but she may not have been.  She married twice, both times in the RC Church, as did her parents.

Her parents married in Wigan in 1853 but I can't find any of them on the 1861 census.  From there on she appears on the Trimdon census in Co Durham.  In 71 as Ann Connel Howard (not sure what the relevance of Connel is but her mother's maiden name was McMann) - in 81 as Martin, in 91 as Tobin, 01 as Tobar (Tobin) and 11 as Tobin.  I don't know when she died.

Tis a puzzle!
Title: Re: Look up request - Ilkeston birth
Post by: spendlove on Wednesday 23 March 11 15:36 GMT (UK)
Hi,

For those searching in the 1871 Census Trimdon Durham the age of Ann Connel Howard is
given as aged 9 so born abt 1862 Derbyshire Pickhan/Pichham, no such place in Derbyshire.

 By 1881 as Ann Martin age is given as 24.
Spendlove
Title: Re: Look up request - Ilkeston birth
Post by: suzard on Wednesday 23 March 11 22:49 GMT (UK)
Her p.o.b. varies between Elkstone Derbys, Derbys, Elkeston Derbys too

Suz
Title: Re: Look up request - Ilkeston birth
Post by: steffers29 on Thursday 24 March 11 15:54 GMT (UK)
think we can agree that it was Derbyshire anyway

Ann and John did not have any other siblings as far as I can see.

I concluded that she was born in Ilkeston because her brother was

I thought that my best bet was the RC church records in Ilkeston
Title: Re: Look up request - Ilkeston birth
Post by: spendlove on Thursday 24 March 11 20:41 GMT (UK)
Hi,

The following is taken from the Derbyshire County Record Office Site, which gives details
of the various Church Registers they hold:-

ILKESTON

Roman Catholic
Our Lady & St Thomas Catholic Church (RC) bp 1858-1889
Founded 1858 d 1876-1905
(F 9)

The site is:-
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/images/NonConformistGuide_tcm9-17007.pdf.

Regards
Spendlove