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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: jrocket on Thursday 17 February 11 21:12 GMT (UK)
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Any info re Crockett's who went to New Zealand. Family born in Drainie, Lossiemouth. Some went mid 1800's I think and descendents of theirs went early 1900's. I think some of the family might have settled in the Wellington area. ;)
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Hi jrocket,
Have you any more info on this family,names and birth dates ?
Cheers Janette
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Hi,
I can see some Crockett's living in the Wellington area in the 1911 Electoral Roll, but need names to clarify.
Cheers
KHP
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The family who went in mid 1800's was brother of William Crockett born 1807 married to Mgt. Ralph I think his name was James. The other Crockett descendents were family of William's son James Crockett born 1843 d.1927 he was married to Jane Wood, b1841 d 1912. I think it might have been his son Edward b1874 and his wife and family. Edward had many brothers but only one sister called Jane after her mother and she was born 1880. Jane Wood's mother was called Lizinda or Lucinda Petrie born 1817 who was the widow of George Wood. :)
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I can't see any James or Edward Crockett deaths that would fit the ages you have given
I think you might need to give us more information on these people.
The Crocketts I have found on passenger lists are all Irish.
Cheers Janette
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Any info re Crockett's who went to New Zealand. Family born in Drainie, Lossiemouth. Some went mid 1800's I think and descendents of theirs went early 1900's. I think some of the family might have settled in the Wellington area. ;)
Hi jrocket
... and welcome. :)
Perhaps you could tell us also, where you got the info about the CROCKETT family actually coming to New Zealand. That may help our searching. ;)
~ Lu
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I know very little info other than in the 1950's my parents and I were going to emigrate to New Zealand and live with an uncle of my father, whose name was James Crockett, but at that time his own son married and went to live with his parents and my father was unable to emigrate as his uncle no longer had accomodation for us.
I am a new member and did spot another new member from New Zealand was researching Lucinda Petrie Crockett who died in Nelson 7.7.1990 and who married a John McKnight on 19.4.1933 and although I replied to her post heard nothing further. I knew Lucinda Petrie was my gr.gr.grandmother born in Scotland 1817 and therefore deduced that Lucinda Petrie Crockett must have been related to me. I also had been told that my gr.gr grandfather William Crockett b.1807 in Drainie Lossiemouth had a brother James Crockett born in Drainie who emigrated to New Zealand sometime in the 1800's. Sorry but this is all the info I know. :(
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Hi jrocket
Cheers for the additional information. :)
Yes, I'd also spotted the other New Zealand researcher on the Scotland board ... who I notice has not been online since Wednesday, so maybe has not yet seen the message which you posted ? ;)
* So do you think the Edward CROCKETT (whose wife was Margaret Ann STEWART - and who were the parents of this Lucinda b.c. 1913), is related to your family ?
Still working on finding this James CROCKETT you talk of.
~ Lu
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Lu,
The only James Crockett I can see on the 1911 Electoral Roll was a Farm Labourer, the Electorate was Chalmers and place of residence Fairfield.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi KHP
Thanks for that. :)
Yes, I'd scrolled through the E/rolls at A****try, and noticed a "James CROCKETT" ... but thought he wasn't likely to have been someone who'd emigrated in the 1880's ?
Now seems though (from jrocket's latest post), that we might be looking for a "James" who was still around in the 1950's ??
Gee ... I'm all confused now. ;D
Back to the 'drawing board'.
~ Lu
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Sorry to confuse you, James is my father and it was his uncle and gr.uncle who both went to New Zealand from Lossiemouth. His gr. uncle was called James and his uncle was Edward, the Lucinda Petrie Crockett I think must have been a daughter of Edward who married Marg. Ann Stewart. It must have been a son of Edward who married in the 1950's thus preventing my parent and I from going to New Zealand. :)
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Hi jrocket
That's okay. :D
I've just been looking at the census information given on that Scotland thread, and by scribbling down the various people from Lucinda PETRIE & George WOOD, I've kinda worked out where Edward CROCKETT fits in. (I think. )
So the latest census info given for Edward and wife Margaret (Maggie) Ann, is 1901 and they have several children at that time ... but NOT a son called James ?
Lucinda Petrie CROCKETT (who appears to have been their daughter - according to info from NZ researcher) is not born until c. 1913 ... and it may be that there were further children (perhaps another son) born between 1902 and Lucinda's birth.
Question :)
* Do you know the christian name of the son of Edward who went to New Zealand ?
~ Lu
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... James is my father and it was his uncle and gr.uncle who both went to New Zealand from Lossiemouth.
His gr. uncle was called James and his uncle was Edward, ...
Hi again
Can you please give the years of birth for
James -- the great uncle .... and
Edward -- the uncle.
Cheers.
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Hi
Incidentally, I found what appears might be the arrival of Lucinda Petrie CROCKETT in New Zealand ... and have posted this info on the Scotland board for the NZ researcher.
CROCKETT - Luci
Born: 1913
Southampton UK to Wellington, NZ - 1928
[No other CROCKETT name for that year (1928) UK to Wellington. Lucinda would only have been aged 15 or 16 in 1928 so may have been accompanied by family members who had a different surname. Above is from index only so full passenger list at findmypast.com (pay to view), would need to be sighted. ]
~ Lu
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Edward was born 10.6.1873 James was born between 1760 -1780 I do not have his date of birth only know that his brother was born in 1773. Some records from the early days were difficult to read as they watered down the ink, and also some records were damaged. :) Sorry don't know son's name still trying to find out.
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It would appear that she travelled alone and her occupation is listed as "Domestic".
Her address is shown as 26 Commerce Street Lossiemouth and age is 15.
Alan
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Nice one, Alan .... cheers. :)
~ Lu
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Edward was born 10.6.1873
Hi again
* Was the above Edward CROCKETT you've mentioned, the son of James CROCKETT and Jane WOOD ??
[There is an extracted record on the IGI (familysearch) - probably a church record - which shows this Edward's birth date as 10 June 1874. ]
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This is the family. :)
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Hi jrocket and Lu,
Am i the 'other nz Crockett searcher' that you are waiting for a reply. Have replied to Lu about the marriage of Lucinda Crockett and John McKnight. Sorry no i don't have their marriage cert, have given you the folio no. if you wish to get one from NZ. However the reply is on the other thread that we've been having contact on.
Have been reading through both of your posts, i have nothing on on Lucinda Parents except her father's name; Edward and mother Margaret [Maggie] Ann Stewart married in 1895 Drainie/Moray.
lmsb
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Edward had one sister Jane born 1880 she married George (Dogger) Stewart they lived in house called Shamrock in Lossiemouth I went there as a child. Other brothers were James b1867 he went to Vancouver. William(1) b1868 died William (2) born 1870 married Martha Murison (my grandmother's sister, John born 1869 died infancy Benjamin born 1877 went to South Africa (still trying to trace, his wife and family survived train disaster in Grahamstown 1911. Alexander b1871 went to Croydon, Robert b1865 went to Vancouver married there Ella Mae Mountgomery and then they went to Los Angeles, George b1865 married Isabella Robson, Joseph(1) died in infancy, Joseph no.2 was my grandfather he was born 1887 and he married Charlotte Murison b. 1882 (Martha's sister. My father James was born 1923 still living, his elder sister (*)and (*)
are still alive although both have dementia. Alexander born 1925 died 1928 and Joseph born 1929 died 2004. Any other info. you need I would be happy to provide :)
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Hi jrocket,
mmm just wondering if this family does connect? with my lot i'm doing.
I'll get back to you as my family in Christchurch, NZ are in the crises of another big earthquake that hit them this afternoon 22/02/2011 at 1.50 pm.
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Sorry to hear about Christchurch hope your faamily are safe.
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jrocket & Lu.
Yes family is safe but daughter and grandkids still in Nelson which is a bonus for us as we get to see them a bit more, they're thinking they may go back in April sometime.
Now i'm getting a bit confused with names and dates. See if i get this right.
I have Lucinda [Wendy] CROCKETT m John McKNIGHT
her father Edward CROCKETT m Margaret [Maggie] Ann STEWART
--- what i don't have and trying to work out is;
the above Edward's father is Edward b..... m ............
his father James b..... m ........
and going back further maybe is some one Crockett married another Lucinda Petrie .............. for the younger Lucinda to get her name as some families followed down line.
jrocket could you able map it more clearly.
Headstone attachment of John and Lucinda McKNIGHT.
Thanks.
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Hi Ismb
Glad to learn your family is safe and well. :) (Mine too are in ChCh ... it was such a very, very, long wait before we were able to establish contact.)
This link might help you sort out where your Lucinda fits in ?
[It comes courtesy of "cando" on the Australian board in response to another CROCKETT query. ]
http://www.lossiefowk.co.uk/content/genealogy/word/crocket1.htm
~ Lu
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Hi Ismb
Glad to learn your family is safe and well. :) (Mine too are in ChCh ... it was such a very, very, long wait before we were able to establish contact.)
This link might help you sort out where your Lucinda fits in ?
[It comes courtesy of "cando" on the Australian board in response to another CROCKETT query. ]
http://www.lossiefowk.co.uk/content/genealogy/word/crocket1.htm
~ Lu
Glad to hear you finally heard from your Chch family, pleased to know they are safe. It's the not knowing which makes us worry.
Many thanks for the link, now just have to go through it to work it out. Tried the Australian board but can't seem to find the thread or ''cando''.
Thanks.
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Great to hear family are fine. Lucinda was called after her grandmother Lucinda Petrie b1816 she married George Wood and had a daughter Jane Wood. Jane Wood married James Crockett on 8/10/1863, and your Edward who married Maggie Ann Stewart was one of the sons. My grandfather Joseph born 1887 being the youngest son. Hope this a alittle bit clearer I was actually up in Lossiemouth a couple of weeks ago and the house named Shamrock in Brander Street still retains the name but no longer belongs to any of the Crocketts. P.S. A relative of Edward Crockett went to New Zealand early 1800's I think, i.e. Edward's gt. uncle James a brother of William Crocket who married Margaret Ralph.
Best wishes Joyce :)
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Joyce; Thank you and yes i'm so pleased our family are fine.
Many thanks for making it a lot clearer, now i can ''get it'' so to speak. Just think that you could of been a New Zealander if your forebearer had come out.
Lucinda's husband John McKNIGHT parents James McKNIGHT b.1865 Kilmarnock Scotland, d.20/11/1946 NZ, m Maggie CLARK' in 1895 Kilmarnock Scotland m. Margaret[Maggie] b.1866 Barness Scotland, d. 17/10/1938 NZ.
Surname: MCKNIGHT
Forenames: James
Gender: Male
Age at Death: 73 Years
Last Address: Duncan Street, Foxton
Date of Death: 20 Nov 1946
Service: Burial
Religion: Presbyterian
Funeral Director: Not recorded
Cemetery: Foxton Cemetery, Cnr Hickford And Avenue Road, Foxton
Location in Cemetery: General Block 6 Plot 110
Plot: Not recorded
Date of Burial: 22 Nov 1946
Burial of: Body
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Surname: MCKNIGHT
Forenames: Margaret
Gender: Female
Age at Death: 65 Years
Last Address: Foxton
Date of Death: 17 Oct 1938
Service: Burial
Religion: Presbyterian
Funeral Director: Not recorded
Cemetery: Foxton Cemetery, Cnr Hickford And Avenue Road, Foxton
Location in Cemetery: General Block 6 Plot 111
Plot: Not recorded
Date of Burial: 19 Oct 1938
Burial of: Body
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Great to hear family are fine. Lucinda was called after her grandmother Lucinda Petrie b1816 she married George Wood and had a daughter Jane Wood. Jane Wood married James Crockett on 8/10/1863, and your Edward who married Maggie Ann Stewart was one of the sons. My grandfather Joseph born 1887 being the youngest son. Hope this a alittle bit clearer I was actually up in Lossiemouth a couple of weeks ago and the house named Shamrock in Brander Street still retains the name but no longer belongs to any of the Crocketts. P.S. A relative of Edward Crockett went to New Zealand early 1800's I think, i.e. Edward's gt. uncle James a brother of William Crocket who married Margaret Ralph.
Best wishes Joyce :)
Lucinda Petrie's maiden name was ? 1816. Are you saying that Lucinda P CROCKETT m. [McKNIGHT] b.1913 was named after her grandmother Lucinda Petrie ..........b. 1816 who married George WOOD, but if their daughter Jane WOOD m. James CROCKETT which Edward is the son of James and Jane, so wouldn't that make Lucinda Petrie 1816 being the great grandmother of Lucinda Petrie CROCKETT b.1913.. Sorry still trying to get my head around it all.
Sorry!!!
Cheers, Lorraine.
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Edward Crockett who married Margaret Ann Stewart was the son of James Crockett and Jane Wood they were married on 8th Oct 1863. Jane was the daughter of Lucinda Petrie and George Wood, who married 12 Oct 1837. James Crockett and Jane lived in Drainie Lossiemouth.
Jane came from Buckie not far from Lossiemouth, her mother Lucinda remarried a George Thomson after Jane's father died. After George died she also went to live in Lossiemouth.
Edward had only one sister my gt. aunt Jane born in 1867. Edward had 11 brothers three died in infancy. Joseph his youngest brother born in 1887 was my grandfather.
I hope this makes it a bit clearer. What is your relationship to Lucinda Petrie Crockett.
Best wishes
jOYCE
ps if you need further info I can supply it.
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Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much, yes i've got it now and it sure is a lot clearer.
I'm helping a relation of mine doing her husband's family of McKnight, Crockett, Stewart, Clark & hopefully further back if i can, with a big help from you and the other listers.
John and Lucinda [Wendy] McKnight's son (*)[living] m. (*)[living] which i've followed back from her family; Harrington, Koina, Wright, Bird.
My relative has been stuck for some time and so wanting to find out more of these families so i offered to help her.
You wouldn't have any info of Margaret Ann Stewart m. Crockett, her parents christian names, also her mother's maiden name.
A big thank you.
Cheers, Lorraine.
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Edward had one sister Jane born 1880 she married George (Dogger) Stewart they lived in house called Shamrock in Lossiemouth I went there as a child. Other brothers were James b1867 he went to Vancouver. William(1) b1868 died William (2) born 1870 married Martha Murison (my grandmother's sister, John born 1869 died infancy Benjamin born 1877 went to South Africa (still trying to trace, his wife and family survived train disaster in Grahamstown 1911. Alexander b1871 went to Croydon, Robert b1865 went to Vancouver married there Ella Mae Mountgomery and then they went to Los Angeles, George b1865 married Isabella Robson, Joseph(1) died in infancy, Joseph no.2 was my grandfather he was born 1887 and he married Charlotte Murison b. 1882 (Martha's sister. My father James was born 1923 still living, his elder sister (*)and (*)
are still alive although both have dementia. Alexander born 1925 died 1928 and Joseph born 1929 died 2004. Any other info. you need I would be happy to provide :)
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Was Robert and George twins?. Also do you happen to know when Edward's grt uncle James when he imigrated to NZ and what part of NZ he may of settled. It would give me an idea where to look for deaths and what cemetery he may be in. I wonder if he was single or married. Gee if only all of the Crockett children had middle names given, if would make it a lot easier to find eh!.
Cheers. L
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Edward had one sister Jane born 1880 she married George (Dogger) Stewart they lived in house called Shamrock in Lossiemouth I went there as a child. Other brothers were James b1867 he went to Vancouver. William(1) b1868 died William (2) born 1870 married Martha Murison (my grandmother's sister, John born 1869 died infancy Benjamin born 1877 went to South Africa (still trying to trace, his wife and family survived train disaster in Grahamstown 1911.
Benjamin b. 1877 and went ot South Africa as you stated, do you know what his wife's name is. It mentions in the Train disaster that Janet had another sister, would you know her name.
Even though you've got the paper clippings of the train disaster but i'll post the link on here also.
http://steam-locomotives-south-africa.blogspot.com/2010/08/port-alfred-kowie-railway-1883-1913.html
Still can't seem to find Margaret A Stewart. You'd think there would be a paper notice of her death - 1929 in Scotland somewhere.
Cheers.
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Wondered if any one knows of about of a Mrs Titley, her maiden name was Crockett, she and her parents went to South Africa on holiday in 1960's to visit Crockett relatives. Sorry I have very limited info. Her father would have been quite elderly at this time.
:)
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Have checked the Marriage CD that goes to 1956 and can't see a match for a Crockett/titley/tetley marriage
this person would likely be subject to privacy issues to work more on the forum
Because of the unusual name there are only a handful of possibilites
Do you have access to ancestry because you can see in the electoral rolls the few people of this surname from around the 1960s era
Bye
Althea
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If you go to
http://www.oldfriends.co.nz
and sign up (free) you can email direct TITLEY members,
they may be related to the family you are after
Bye
Althea
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hi
I'm a descendant of George dogger stewart and Jane :) grandaughter of one of their sons William... if any of you would like to talk with me I'd be honoured , I'm a new member and new to genealogy but have found your link extremely interesting as alot of what i know about the family tree is on here - and alot of what i i didn't know too ! :) (my main goal was to find out about the Crockett side of the family ) anyway thankyou and hope to speak to one of you soon :)
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Jane was my grandfather Joseph's only sister and I remember visiting her a few times in Lossiemouth when I was a child. I remember being in the Crockett family house which was called Shamrock, and the shamrock plant growing in the garden. Did you know why he was called Dogger?
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thankyou for your reply...:) yes i do know why he was called dogger...fishing floats where originally made from stray dogs (before glass became readily available) i still have the mental image of the poor dog with corks in its legs in lossie museum :/ but i guess it was necessary :)
wow...i had no idea how far flung my great grandmothers family where...Ive always had a bit of wonderlust for the world - as did my grandad...now i know where it comes from :D
I have vague memories of the house, the last time i visited was when i was about 6ish so i wouldn't have known about shamrock(the plant) then, but I'll ask my mum .
i was however told alot about the boat, also called the shamrock ,my grandad used to work as a fisherman until he moved south (my dad has an excellent photo of it ),he spent quite a few summer holidays up in lossie with William (his dad )maybe you met him at some point ?
my grandad used to tell me tales about being related to Davey Crockett, have you found any evidence to suggest that? and i was also told that the Crockett name was originally french..sorry for all the questions , its just really nice to meet you :)
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btw if you haven't come across this site before then its worth a look :)
http://www.lossiefowk.co.uk/high.htm( although my grandad is missing from the Crockett tree so not totally reliable) :)
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Yes I know the site. I do not think I met your father. Up to a year ago we stayed about just over an hour's drive from Lossiemouth, I managed to contact Crockett descendents in America and South Africa, There was originally only one t, but most of the family seemed to add a t over the years, prob. the registrar's fault. My cousin, the daughter of my father's deceased brother Joe, emigrated and lives in Lower Hutt, near Wellington, but I have not seen her since she was a child. If you wish you can contact me by email, I will provide address if you wish.
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hello again :)
sorry i took my time in replying , my email address is (*) it would be lovely to hear from a distant cousin :)
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Wondered if any one knows of about of a Mrs Titley, her maiden name was Crockett, she and her parents went to South Africa on holiday in 1960's to visit Crockett relatives. Sorry I have very limited info. Her father would have been quite elderly at this time.
:)
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Yes I know the site. I do not think I met your father. Up to a year ago we stayed about just over an hour's drive from Lossiemouth, I managed to contact Crockett descendents in America and South Africa, There was originally only one t, but most of the family seemed to add a t over the years, prob. the registrar's fault. My cousin, the daughter of my father's deceased brother Joe, emigrated and lives in Lower Hutt, near Wellington, but I have not seen her since she was a child. If you wish you can contact me by email, I will provide address if you wish.
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Hi Colynn
Do you need some help?
Cheers Janette
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Hi Colynn, and welcome to RootsChat. ;D
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Thanks. I have the names of the majority of Benjamin Crockett`s decendants living in. South Africa.
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:) :)
Jrocket should reply to the topic in good time.
Spades
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Hi Joyce.
Nice hearing from you.
My gandfather Benjamin b1877 married Elizabeth (Bessie) Townsend. They were dairy farmers in Grahamstown.
Their children names. Oldest to youngest. Janet, George Benjamin, James, Elizabeth and Malcolm Patrick.
George my dad married Lucy Evelyn Maud Hall. Their children3 (*)
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Thanks for info. Do you know Janet's DOB as I think that as Bessie was Ben's second wife, his first wife, Isabella, who died in 1906 aged 26 was her mother, she is buried in Old Cemetry Grahamstown.