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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: Closed Account on Thursday 17 February 11 20:15 GMT (UK)
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I'm trying to get some information on the various Callaghans that lived in the Marlfield/Clonmel area circa the 1860s-1870s. I have an ancestor named Johanna Callaghan that was born to parents Innocent Callaghan and his wife Johanna back in 1869. Although Innocent is not a common name, I'm having some problems pulling together the various bits of info I've found online. If anyone can add any insight to my current research stumbling blocks noted below, I'd appreciate it.
1) What is Rathkeevin (e.g., a townland, parish, street, etc)? My ancestor's address is noted as being Rathreevan on one of the records I ordered, and Rathkeevin seemed like the closest match per Google, but there isn't much info about the place.
2) What RC cemeteries are located in the Marlfield/Clonmel area? I've come across Shanrahan as a possible site where my ancestors are buried, but that's about it so far.
3) The baptisms for the Callaghan children seem to have occurred in a Powerstown Parish. Some websites refer to this parish as being in Tipperary and other note that it was changed to Waterford at some point. Does anyone know when/if this occurred?
4) Does the use of Callaghan versus O'Callaghan indicate different families, or was this just a common confusion of the time with regard to record-keeping or self-identification?
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1) Rathkeevin - is a townland of about 480 acres
3) Powerstown RC parish includes part of the town of Clonmel and is shown on the RC map for Tipperary south riding (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/tipperarysrc.htm) on the Irish Times website, and is located in the south of the county and adjacent to Co. Waterford. No sign that I see of any part of the parish including areas in Co. Waterford.
4) surnames could be recorded with or without the Mc and O' prefixes
Shane
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2) What RC cemeteries are located in the Marlfield/Clonmel area? I've come across Shanrahan as a possible site where my ancestors are buried, but that's about it so far.
Shanrahan is quite a distance from Marlfield and unless the Callaghans came from Clogheen originally they'd be unlikely to be buried there. Also you shouldn't apply a hard and fast rule to burial by denomination. A Catholic's traditional family burial plot might well have been located in a what became a Church of Ireland graveyard. Burial grounds near Marlfield include Marlfield itself, Killaloan, Newchapel, Clerihan, Shanavine, Old St. Mary's in Clonmel, St. Patrick's Clonmel, Powerstown Church, Powerstown Old Graveyard, St Nicholas in Clonmel, Rathronan, Kilronan and Tullaghmeelan.
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Thank you for the above replies. Right now I'm working with somewhat of a wide area to research as my family is many generations removed from Ireland and family history going back that far is long lost. Some additional background is below in case this leads anyone to suggest a specific cemetery or two to focus on.
The baptismal record for Johanna Callaghan notes Powerstown Parish (1869), and the civil birth record notes the family address as Rathkeevin in the Parish/District of Marlfield. I now have these records. The LDS familysearch site seems to have two separate sets of records for Irish Births/Baptisms and Civil Registration indexes. An apparent reference to the birth on the Civil Registration indexes is the source for Clogheen reference. Also, the familysearch site has a likely death record for the father (Innocent Callaghan) noting the place as Clonmel (1875). I have very little understanding of how all these districting terms fold into one another for southern Tipperary.
I was not able to locate Innocent Callaghan on the Griffiths Valuation, and so Rathkeevin and Powerstown Parish are my main research keywords at the moment.
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that 1875 death of an Innocent O'Callaghan is on the BMD index, and is listed in the Registration district of Clonmel, which covers a larger area than just the town.
You can search the towns and townlands included in a district on the townland database at www.thecore.com/seanruad Enter just the required registration district (with exact spelling) in the Poor Law Union search and select search. A list of the 281 townlands and towns are shown - Marlfield is included. (Poor Law Unions and Civil Registration districts are usually equivalent)
Your best bet for finding out more for the family is to search for the marriage of Innocent and his wife - I presume you already have her maiden name. Do you have any idea when they may have married ?
If you can locate a civil marriage it would give you the name and occupation of Innocent's father, which might help find the family home on Griffith's. I suspect that Innocent may either have been too young to hold his own property at the time, or maybe lived at home and so was not listed.
Do you know of other children born before Johanna ?
Shane
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Thanks, Shane. Below is some additional information about the family (all dates approximate). Powerstown is the only definite parish I can tie the family too. I have been advised through some older inquiries that the wife’s family (Kennealy) may trace to a place called St. Mary’s RC Parish in Tipperary, and that the husband’s may trace to either Co. Limerick or a place known as Bansha Kilmoyler Parish in Tipperary. I have nothing conclusive though to work with at the moment for either of these.
Parents:
Innocent James Callaghan (born 1829) & Johanna Kenealy (b. 1836)
I have located an Innocent Callaghan on the Tipperary Tithe Applotments with land references to Cappagh Glen and Cappagh Uniacke; Older records include another Innocent Callaghan born 1801 who died in Limerick in 1868, and an Innocent Callaghan on the 1766 Religious Census; I assume most of these will tie-in together somehow unless the name was not unique to one family. I cannot locate a marriage record in the online database, but it would likely have been prior to the birth of their first known child in 1862.
Children:
Catherine b. 1862, Mary b. 1865, Thomas b. 1867, Johanna b. 1869 (immigrated to New York), John b. 1871, Bridget & Ellen (twins) b. 1874, Michael b. 1877.
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St, Mary's parish covers parts of the town of Conmel and surrounds, and is just west of the parish of Powerstown.
Since there were children born to the couple on the early 1860s and before the start of full registration you would have to search for parish records to find a marriage of Innocent.
Shane
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I'm still working on this, which is turning out to be among the most confusing avenues of my family research. Does anyone know if it was unusual to have RC children baptized a few years after birth back around the 1870s? I ask this because I've ordered the death certificates for the two Innocent Callaghan's noted above and learned that the one I've been tracking from Tipperary seems to have died of starvation in a Clonmel Aslyum(?) in 1875. This would fit in with my research and make sense except that I have a last child born to him and Johanna Kennealy whose baptismal certificate notes a birth two years later in 1877.
I feel that I've taken the hunt for marriage records as far as I can go on the Rootsireland website without success. Assuming that these don't exist, I'm going to have to work through information on the children and assumptions based on Tithe applotments and Griffiths. thecore.com/seanruad has been helpful in a number of instances, but I've got the same people in so many places that it's getting rather confusing (Cappagh Glen/Uniacke, Kilnacask Lower, Rathkeevin, Marlfield, etc.). It would be nice if I could track down one of the children on the 1901 Irish census, but I haven't had any luck with that.
If someone knows of any other online resources I could consult I'd appreciate it. I normally use Rootsireland and familysearch, but am really looking for something along the line of newspapers or legal documents to help put the pieces of the puzzle together.
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RC baptisms usually took place quite soon after birth - i.e. within a couple of days. I have seen cases where the baptism took place the same day as the birth.
Church of Ireland baptisms sometimes took place months after the birth
Shane
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If you are searching the 1901 census for Clonmel, note not all the records have been downloaded, quite a chunk is missing. Also part of St Mary's Parish is under Co Waterford, it's the same in Griffiths.
May not be relevant but I did just notice in the 1901 , an Edward Kennally ( could be mis transcribed ) age 27 born in Powerstown, living in Poulnagunoge, Co Waterford ( part of St. Marys Parish )
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It sounds like I'll just have to note the date discrepancy and see what further research turns up that can shed some light on it.
TLB, is there a write-up somewhere that notes what's missing from the 1901 and/or 1911 census informaiton currenctly online at the National Archives site? I had no idea is was not fully complete for Clonmel, and this would have implications for additional areas of my research if other counties are also incomplete. Also, thank you for the information regarding how some records tagged with County Waterford could be applicable here. I was getting the impression that some of the land/parish divisions at the time crossed between Tipperary and Waterford, and so now I can focus my research efforts a bit more. I'll look into the Edward Kennally issue as well.
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All the N.A. site says is that missing parts will be downloaded as soon as possible, its been like that for some time, they also say they are going to produce a list of missing parts, but I have never seen one. The only reason I know, about it, was when I was doing my own research and on a visit to N.A. I found what I was looking for and it was not on the website. When I asked why, they said it would be downloaded and that was almost 2 years ago.
I don't know if others on rootschat have had the same problem, it would be interesting to know.
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I realize I'm coming to this a little late, but I hope the thread isn't yet considered completely dead.
I came across it when googling "Innocent O'Callaghan" as I try to do every couple of years. Evidently I've let my routine slip of late.
Anyway, if you haven't yet chanced on this, from John Boyle O'Reilly's The Poetry and Song of Ireland, you might find it interesting:
THOMAS O'DONNELL O'CALLAGHAN was born in 1847, in the town of Kil-
mallock, county Limerick, Ireland, and came to this country in 1866. When
but in his teens he was identified with the Fenian movement in Ireland
and was the Kilmallock correspondent, under the nom de plume "Libertas."
of the Fenian organ, the Dublin Irish People, which was suppressed by
the government. He also wrote some patriotic poetry for the Dublin Irish-
man of those days. Since coming to the United States, Mr. O'Callaghan has
written extensively for the various New York Irish American weeklies and for
the New York dailies, more especially the Daily News, to which he has contri-
buted many of his most characteristic verses. Mr. O'Callaghan is descended
on the mother's side from the celebrated Shawn O'Dhear an Glanna (anglice,
John O'Dwyer of the Glen) known as the Poet Huntsman, who flourished in
Munster in the seventeenth century. His father, Innocent O'Callaghan, was
a celebrated scholar and mathematician of Munster, whose name was familiar
in his day throughout Ireland, and who died in 1868. He is a cousin of the
Irish poet, Doctor Robert Dwyer Joyce.
It's that R.D. Joyce who I'm researching, so if you can cast any light on the whole rat's-nest, in addition to the considerable information already in this thread, I'd be very interested.
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I had looked into that Innocent O'Callaghan from Kilmallock some years ago, but never found any information to connect my relatives with him. There were apparently a few Innocent Callaghans/O'Callaghans located in the area during the early to late 1800s, and so I assume that the name was not as uncommon back then as it has since become. I also suspect that some of the records that exist out there have have the "Ino." abbreviation transcribed as "Jno." for John, and that this is complicating research as John Callaghan/O'Callaghan is a much more common name.
I know nothing of the Dwyers, but can add that the informant for this Innocent's death in 1868 was a Margaret O'Callaghan living at the same address as him on Main Street in Kilmallock. Innocent is noted as a widower and schoolteacher who died of bronchitis.