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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Lochanora on Saturday 31 October 09 00:29 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
First time user. I am looking for the Crew and Passenger list for the ship "Larkins" that departed from London June 1849 and arrived into Port Chalmers New Zealand September 1849
My GG Grandfather was on this ship as a crew member, had a shipboard romance with a Margaret Ann Duff and on arrival into Port Chalmers jumped ship and changed his name to Lewis Edwards. We think he may have been Lars Peterson originally from Sweden. They did get married.
Would any one be able to help.
Many thanks
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http://www.ngaiopress.com/larklist.htm
this may be of some help to you,
Jan
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Thanks Jan, I have looked as this but unfortunatly it doesn't show the crew and I thinks some of the passengers are missing as well.
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You could also try emailing the Hocken Library, Dunedin they may have a passenger list.
Jan
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Hi
The Otago settlers museum have extensive databases and shipping lists
Bye
althea ;D ;D
you can have your research details added at this list, very few lists add crew names
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/Larkins.htm
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Thank you Althea,
I had seen this list before and found there was no crew mentioned. We are at a stanstill with this line until we can find some hard facts as to who the GG Grandfather was. I may need someone to search The National Archives in Kew England for me.
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Hello Lochanora,
I have had a look at a few shipping sites, there does not seem to be many lists of passengers before 1850. I couldn't find the "Larkins". When I was searching for a list a very kind rootschatter looked on a paid site for me for passengers departing the UK, perhaps if you also post this on another board maybe beginners someone may be able to help. However I don't know how far back the records go, someone else may know. My ancestor was on a much later ship than yours.
If you post again don't forget to mention you have already posted on the NZ board.
Good luck
Leandra
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I too am looking for a crew list for this ship, also possibly relating to a shipboard romance between passenger Margaret Beattie (on the list) and Peter Heywood Thomson, rumoured to have been crew. We know they married in Port Chalmers, but how did he get to NZ is the question. Did you find a crew list for the Larkins?
cheers,J
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Hi john500t, no luck in finding a crew list as yet. I did contact the National Archives in Kew England and they gave me a reference to look at but as I live in NZ it won't be anytime soon.
Have you seen this Larkins listing on this site
www.ngaiopress.com/larklist.htm
I see your Margaret is on there as a teacher. It's interesting that my other GG grandfather was James Beattie born about 1820 in County Down Ireland, arrived in NZ 1861 after working in Australia and California in the goldfields. he married a Margaret Ann Whiteside who was also from County Down in 1863. They had a daughter Margaret Ann Beattie and she married Thomas Edwards the son of my other GG grandparents.
Good luck in your search and if I ever find anything I will be sure to let you know.
Regards
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Hi,
First time user. I am looking for the original Crew list for the ship "Larkins" that departed from London June 1849 and arrived into Port Chalmers New Zealand September 1849
My GG Grandfather was on this ship as a crew member, had a shipboard romance with a Margaret Ann Duff and on arrival into Port Chalmers jumped ship and changed his name to Lewis Edwards. We think he may have been Lars Peterson originally from Sweden. They did get married.
Would any one be able to help.
Many thanks
PS I had posted this on NZ board last year.
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Hi Lochanora :)
Your man is listed at the site linked to on your previous thread - shown as Lewis Edwards:
Edwards, Lewis [crew; m. Margaret née Duff (ex Larkins); d. 10/10/1873].
(Previous thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,416252.0.html)
Cheers
Prue
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Thank you Prue,
That was me also but I had no luck tracking down a crew list. I have the passenger list for the Larkins. The brick wall is that we do not know if he signed on as Lewis (Louis) Edwards or as Lars Peterson (Pederson). If we can find the answer then we may be able to trace him back further.
Cheers
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Hi Lochanora,
Sorry, I'm not quite getting it (mid afternoon brain slump!) - do you mean that you submitted the information about Lewis Edwards to that website?
What makes you think he might be Lars Peterson, do you have some other information about him?
Cheers
Prue
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Hi Prue,
Yes I did post the query on the NZ message board last year but no one was able to come up with the crew list for the Larkins.
The family story goes that he was born in Sweden, maybe went to America and ended up in NZ. In the NZ Encyclopedia there is an article about one of his sons and in it he states that his father was from Sweden originally called Lars Peterson (Pederson)
We know that he arrived into Port Chalmers on the Larkins and believe that he was a crew member fell in love with Margaret Duff and jumped ship. I thought the crew list would be able to show me if he signed on as Lars Pederson or Louis Edwards. Once I know this I may be able to trace him back further. Heres hoping.
Cheers
Lochanora
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Hi Lochanora :)
What I'm saying is that the list at http://www.ngaiopress.com/larklist.htm shows a crew member by the name of Lewis Edwards. I'm not sure whether the person who compiled the list was looking at an original document or working from collated information from other sources, but it suggests to me that this man signed on to the crew as Lewis Edwards.
If he went to the USA first he may have changed his name on arrival there - have you considered this possibility?
Cheers
Prue
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Hi Prue,
Just been and had a massage (very nice). This list was compiled from relatives and The Otago Early Settlers Museum. It is not an official passenger list and this is where the problem lies. The relatives have given his name as Louis (Lewis) Edwards but also say he was Lars Pederson. I thought by trying to get an official crew list it would help in finding out who he was when he left England.
Hope this makes sense.
Cheers
Lochanora :)
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Ahh! Well now it makes sense.
Sorry I can't really help further but I hope someone with more knowledge of NZ records might be able to point you to the original crew list, if it still exists.
Cheers
Prue
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thanks Prue,
The only one that I possibly know of would be at the Kew Archives in England and I don't see me getting there anytime soon.
Thankyou for your input.
Cheers
lochanora
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I have also been looking for a list of the Passengers and crew of the Larkins. I found the following list on line that may help you. I am planning a trip to wellington archives next week to check the orginal documentation.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/Larkins.htm
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Hi BrigOdoon,
Did you have any joy in your search for the crew list of the Larkins at the Wellington Archives? I would be interested to hear what you found.
Cheers
Lochanora :)
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Hi,
Have been researching Lewis Edwards/ Margaret Duff as they are my husbands ancestors, have found out that Lewis changed his name in America, he married Margaret Duff, 23/5/1850 they had 6 children, and are both buried in a private cemetery in Company Bay, Dunedin Otago Pens. hope this of some help to you, have found a really good lot of information about them from a site " My Heritage Edward family website (Sue Edwards) in New Zealand, Margaret
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Hi Jennifer,
Last year we took the plunge and paid for a lady in England to see if she could find a crew list and thankfully she did. He did sign on as Lewis Edwards on the Larkins and we have copies of this ship and the 2 previous ships that he was a crew member on. He was born in Gotenburg Sweden and we are now searching to see if we can find the parish where he was born. If we can get that then the next question will be did he go to America with family or leave Sweden as a seaman. :P
Gee I wish he had shared his previous life with his family and left some photos for us to make it that little bit easier researching.
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Hi all
I would love to have a go at finding this Lars Petterson here in Sweden. I have access to records and databases to search in.
I would though like to know what you know of him in America and when he changed his name there.
Ian
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I found the Larkins passenger list which is the list you probably got from England:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12655-106372-84?cc=1609792&wc=MP7P-3BT:119187001,119145702,119208901
Ian
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Hi Ian, thanks for your help.This is a piece that my brother has done.
Louis Edwards aka Lars Peterson
Died Dunedin, NZ, 7 October 1873
Deserted ship “Larkin” in Port Chalmers NZ, 8 November 1849
Joined ship ‘Larkin’ in UK 5 June 1849 as Able Seaman. Noted as age 29 (therefore born probably 1820) and place of birth listed as Gottenburg.
Served in ship ‘Aztec’ 5 Sept 1848 to 17 May 1849, on a voyage from London to Newcastle to Havanna and back to London. Ships crew list notes him as Able Seaman and born in Gottenburg.
Served in ship ‘Dunrobin’ for two voyages between 16 Sept 1847 and Aug 1848, when he was discharged in London.
He may have emigrated from Sweden to the USA aged around 14 years old. This may indicate he emigrated with his family? Have found a record showing a Lars Peterson formerly of Sweden took US citizenship at the Marine Court of New York on 11 April 1839, having lived in the US for at least five years and in the State of New York for at least one year.
Family oral history suggests after gaining US citizenship Lars changed his name to Louis Edwards.
No record of whereabouts from 1839 in New York through 1847 in the UK.
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Have found a record showing a Lars Peterson formerly of Sweden took US citizenship at the Marine Court of New York on 11 April 1839, having lived in the US for at least five years and in the State of New York for at least one year.
Is this record on-line. I would like to see it.
Ian
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Ian it is 524KB so to big. If you email me (*) I will email it to you by return. I found it in Ancestory but I now have a copy of the original.
Cheers
Jill :)
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Hi Jill
I found it on Ancestry. I was hoping there might be a little more info, not a lot to go on. I will see what I can dig up.
I wonder where he got his new name from?
Ian
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Ian it is the full record that is 524kb and to big for here.
We have no information as to why he choose
that name.
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Hi all!
I too am very interested into finding out more about Lars (also a descendant) - I have friends in Sweden who can possibility help - are you able to PM any more details?
I am very happy to share what I learn
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Hi Jill
Just got a reply from this thread. I must apologize but I have forgotten to reply myself. I did take a look in the databases and the books in and around Gothenburg and found nothing really. Because there is too little info it won't be an easy task. A date of birth would help out a lot.
Sorry about that.
All the best Ian
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Hello LookingforLars...
Welcome to Rootschat :)
To activate your PM system you need to have made three posts. So make two more posts. Smileys will do fine :)
Good luck with your search (although if Ian is having trouble it's looking a bit ominous :-)
Regards
Beg
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Thanks for trying Ian, I am still hopefull that one day we will have a wohoo moment and the brick wall will come down. Every little bit of info should get us closer to that day. :)
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Thanks for explaining that Beg!
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So - I am a descendant from Lars / Lewis Edwards Second son - "John Lewis Edwards" (Donald Duff Edwards was the first).
I guess the next part of the puzzle to solve is his birth date - Referring to Larking crew manifest, it notes his age as 29 - hence the date of 1820 for his birth.
I am not sure it helps or misleads, but in my family circles his birthday was 1818 (nothing fixed just a oral date)
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If you have any clues or if anything new comes up referring to his birth date or parish or any other Swedish info let me know as I can search here in Sweden.
Ian