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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: JHunt4854 on Thursday 17 February 11 18:18 GMT (UK)
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Hello there,
It's my first time on Roots Chat, so I hope I'm doing this correctly!
I've recently been told that my gt gt grandparents are both buried in Llangollen Cemetery/Churchyard (I'm afraid I don't know which, if Lllangollen has both), after long believing that they were buried elsewhere. I live in Germany so getting there is a problem at the moment. Is there anyone out there who would be willing to try and find their grave/s for me please (and if successful, possibly make a photo for me too, if that's not being cheeky!)? If you are able to help me, please reply and I'll fill you in on their names and further details.
Many many thanks
John
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I cannot promise when I may be able to get there, as I live some miles away.
How long ago did the burials take place?
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Hi, thanks for replying so quickly! Timescale wouldn't be a problem - I've waited years on this, so a bit longer won't hurt!
This is going to sound a bit vague I'm afraid: SIMEON (sometimes Simon) STEPHEN JONES born in Llanrhaiadr yn Monchant abt 1820 died in Thornaby on Tees, but was buried in Llangollen. My last trace of him was in the 1861 census when he was 61, so (if he lived to old age) I'm guessing he would have died within 20 or so years after that. Sorry, I haven't been able to find any death registration for him.
His wife, ANN (nee Kynaston) JONES, born in Ruabon, Denbigshire in 1828, died in Ruabon some time between 1861 (when she was recorded in the census) and 1871 (when husband Simeon is recorded as a widower). After paying for three incorrect death certificates from the GRO, I'm afraid that again I can't tell you exactly which year - sorry. I'm reckoning that she was around her late 30's / early 40's when she died.
I appreciate that the name Jones is going to cause a problem, but if (as I think quite probable) they are buried together, then the Simeon and Ann Jones together might help identify them correctly.
Thanks if you can help, but if you feel that this is just too vague, then I quite understand.
John
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Sorry, I meant to say my last trace of Simeon Stephen Jones was in the 1881 censius when he was 61. Sorry about that.
John
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Have you any idea what their religion may have been? because some cemeteries are divided into sections.
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They were married at the Bethlehem Independant Chapel in Rhosllanerchrugog in1847, and Simeon formed/founded/built? some sort of Welsh?Independant Chapel in Thornaby of which he was a leading member. Others in my family have generally been Methodists. Is this any help?
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Yes. It is a help.
Just as an aside: In many towns in Wales there were or are multiple different types of Methodists, different "factions" you may say.. cannot remember all the different names, but have a feeling one group was called "Primitive Methodists"
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Yes, I've heard of several different forms of Methodist Chapels too. Well, if you think you might be able to have a look for me sometime, that would be great. I'll await to hear from you again sometime. I'm not sure how it works with Roots Chat, but I can always give you my normal e mail address if needs be. Please do ask if there's anything else that at can add to help.
John
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Meant to say: just as a little extra, which won't help at all in finding their graves! Ann Jones (nee Kynaston) was (so my grandfather used to say - not yet confirmed), of the Kynaston family who at one time were wealthy land owners and 'Squires' of Plas Kynaston (Kynaston Hall) in Ruabon. If I can definately link Ann to these earlier Kynastons, then there is a lineage going back to the Plantagenate Kings of England in the Middle Ages.
John
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Thanks. I've sent you a message on the PM service as you recommend.
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Hello :)
Stryt Isa Rhosllanerchrugog Parish in 1871 with sons Caleb and James and Daughter Sarah Ann age 4, so Ann must have died 1866-71
RG10 Piece 5653/ 92 Pge 27
Same place 1861 RG9 Piece 4282/ 76 Pg 20 Simeon, Ann, and Caleb
Might be worth contacting Wrexham Register Office to ask them to search for the death certificate for Ann wife of Simeon of Stryt Isa Rhos 1866-71?
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/life_events/bereavement/register_office.htm
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Listed as Simon aged c 65 he is again with Caleb and James in 1881 in Thornaby Yorkshire.
RG11/4863/23/40.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Many thanks to both Morgan and William. (I'm presuming it's ok to make a joint reply to you both? Forgive me if I'm wrong - still learning how Roots Chat works!)
Yes, I too had found the family in Street Issa, Ruabon in 1861, and Simeon (by now a widower) with his children in 1871 also in same place, and then again in 1881 in Thornaby on Tees. So yes it would seem Ann must have died between 1861 & 1871 as you say. No further trace of Simeon after 1881, so his death was obviously after that.
I'll certainly give Wrexham Register Office a try - thanks for the tip Morgan. Does it cost much for them to do a search for me?
Hi again William. You kindly helped me some time ago when I was trying to find out more about Plas Kynaston in Ruabon. I wrote off to Denbighshire County Council and the sent me photocopies of Dennis Davies' history of Plas Kynaston - very interesting & useful. I don't think that Ann herself could have lived there as my grandfather thought. The last residents, before the house went into other uses, were of another name: The last Kynastons to reside there were some time earlier. All my searches into Ann's family however (her parents David & Mary Kynaston) take me a bit further south to the Llanwddyn, Llanfyllin, Llangedwyn, Llanrhaedr ym Monchant area. The Kynastons who lived at Plas Kynaston seem to be related to those who came from over the English border into Shropshire (Ellesmere, Knockin, Kinnerley, Hordley & Wem). If I find a link between my Ann Kynaston and these, I'm starting to feel that it might be further back in time. However, it's still very intriguing that my Ann Kynaston lived so very nearby and that the family folklore says that (my) Kynastons lived there once?
All this said, I'm hoping that Ann and Simeon's grave might contain a clue.
Many thanks for your kind help.
John
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Yes John it seems we meet again!
There were quite a few Kynaston families in the border area,a couple of which married into my Tree but they were from the Shropshire/Flintshire area.
It seems David Kynaston married twice,first showing with wife Mary in 1851 then with a wife Margaret in 1871.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hi William - yes, I think we were in touch through Genes Reunited, was it? You were very helpful anyway.
I remember coming across, and pondering about, both Mary and Margaret. I'm going to have to have another look at all this to refresh my memory. I believe that wife Mary was Mary Griffiths.
John
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We may have been in touch via GR.Looking again I have my doubts about the Margaret not being able to find a second marriage anywhere for David.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hi John
No problem at all with your joint reply :)
I think if you email the Register Office they should find Ann's death easily and offer you the opportunity to buy it for £9. They have been very good with any queries I have raised in the past. You can narrow down Ann's date of death from the birth of daughter Sarah Ann, who was probably born abt 1866.
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hi John,I thought that the surname Stephen Jones was familiar,
John Hughes the second child of Richard & Catherine Hughes of Llanarmon D.C..John Hughes married a Mary Thomas,of Camhelig.They had a family of 9 children they all but two died infants, Mary married the Rev Hugh Jones B.A Principal of the Baptist College,Llangollen the second surviving child of John & Mary Hughes was Thomas Hughes of Llangollen who first married Mary,died 1863 the daughter of the Rev .John Pritchard,Langollen (his daughter by his first wife is the wife of Mr W G Dodd of Llangollen) Thomas Hughes second marriage is to Emily Jane daughter of Mr Edward Stephen Jones Esq, of Eirianfa, Llangollen.
Thomas Hughes died in1896,he and Emily (Emmy) Jane had 3 son's & 5 daughters. Regards Annun