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Lila P BOSS (WILSON) 1898-1984
Herbert H BOSS 1898-1935
One child Daphne WINTERS (BOSS) 1919-2004
Any other information appreciated
Thanks
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wherrol2
Hi
Electoral Roll.
1930, NSW, Calair, Calcoar.
Boss, Catherine, Lyndhurst, home duties.
Boss, Elias William, Lyndhurst, labourer.
Boss, Herbert Hector, Lyndhurst, labourer.
Boss, Lila Pearl Kathleen, Lyndhurst, home duties.
Gerry
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A marriage.
Herbert H Boss & Lila P Wilson.
NSW.
Registration Place: Calcoar NSW.
1919 #1073.
Gerry
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Hi there,
Welcome to RChat
NSW Electoral Roll for 1903 (first time females were eligible to enrol)
NSW seat CARCOAR, Polling place LYNDHURST (great place to visit)
BOSS, Catherine living at Lyndhurst, domestic duties
BOSS, Elias, living at Lyndhurst, labourer
The rolls in those times did not list the specific address of each individual, so Catherine and Elias may (and may not) have been related and also may (and may not) have resided in the same house.
No one surname WILSON was enrolled at the Lyndhurst Polling Place.
Cheers, JM
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1878 Electoral Roll
CARCOAR : All with surname BOSS
Robert, of Lemmington, freehold Weaver's Swamp
Charles F R, of Lemmington, residence Weaver's Swamp
George Thomas, of Lemmington, residence Weaver's Swamp
Noah, of Mount Macquarie, residence, Mount Macquarie
CARCOAR : All with surname WILSON
George, of Cowra, residence Cowra
John, of Cowra, residence Cowra
Cheers, JM
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1903 NSW E Roll
Seat of MACQUARIE, polling place COWRA,
all with surname WILSON
Charles, of Cowra, a Wardsman
Emily May, of Mulyan Cowra, domestic duties
Isabella, of Morongla Creek, domestic duties
John, of Canimbla, farmer
Michael, of West Cowra, labourer
Robert Henry, of Cowra, carter
Cheers, JM
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Birth of Elias Boss, Herbert Hector's father.
Elias Boss.
NSW.
Reg Place: Calcoar.
1860 #6299.
F: Robert Boss.
M: Elizabeth L.
Gerry
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www.naa.gov.au
recordsearch has a digitised service document for a Robert BOSS of Lyndhurst with father Elias William available for viewing online.
Leanne
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Re Noah BOSS,
I was born and raised on The Lachlan (River), in Central West NSW, I think the Noah BOSS from the 1878 Roll, would be Noah Robert BOSS, a farmer from NEVILLE, and according to NSW State Records Office he died 30 Sept 1918
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx
(Neville is a locality in that Carcoar/Lyndhurt/Blayney district)
Cheers, JM
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would Lila be Lila Pearl BOSS as noted on www.ryersonindex.org?
Lila Pearl (Mam)
Death notice 20 JUN1984
Death
85
late of Fairfield
Sydney Morning Herald
21JUN1984
Leanne
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Herbert Hector Boss - Date of Death 21/07/1935, Probate Granted on 20/09/1935
NSW State Records Archives Investigator
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Search.aspx
Cheers, JM
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this would appear to be Lila Pearl BOSS',1984, burial:
Surname BOSS
Type Burial
First Name Lila Pearl
Date of Death 20/06/1984
Interred Date 22/06/1984
Location Lawn Graves
Area 7
Grave 238
http://www.catholiccemeteries.org.au/
appears to be alone
Leanne
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Australian Electoral Roll
1949, 1954 NSW Dalley/Camperdown
WINTERS Daphne Catherine 124 Denison Street, Camperdown
WINTERS James 124 Denison Street, Camperdown Postman
Cando
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Iwonder whether this is ELIAS's father who was named ROBERT
BOSS Robert
Ship- Recovery 1836 45/725 Ticket of Leave [4/4198; Reel 956] District: Bathurst; Tried: Norfolk ass.
Sue
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ROBERT married ELIZABETH
REG.V1844454 29/ In 1844 BOSS, ROBERT
To REX, ELIZABETH L.
CL
Sue
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this would appear to be Lila Pearl BOSS',1984, burial:
Her daughter is interred at the same location.
WINTERS Daphne Catherine
Burial
Date of Death 20 Nov 2004 Interred Date 26 Nov 2004
Location Lawn Graves Area 7 Grave 238
Cando
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6299/1860
BOSS Elias
Father Robert Mother Elizabeth L
District Carcoar
Lots of births to this couple of NSW bdm's
Cando
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Hi,
NSW Convicts applications to marry 1826-1851
Robert Boss
A: 26
B: about 1826
Spouse: Elizabeth Letitia Rex.
Request: Granted 22May 1844.
Gerry
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Elizabeth died.
REG 7069In 1887 BOSS ELIZABETH L
FatherGEORGE V B R
DIED CARCOAR
REG at CARCOAR
Sue
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Norfolk Assizes
1 Aug 1835
BOSS Robert 17 years Horse stealing Life
Cando
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NSW ER 1870
Robert BOSS, freehold of Lemmington, Weaver's Swamp
Cheers, JM
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Thanks cando for clarification re: burial
this would appear to be Daphnes' entry on www.ryersonindex.org
WINTERS Daphne Catherine
Death notice 20NOV2004
Death 85
late of Fairfield
Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 24NOV2004
Leanne
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Some headstones at Carcoar Cemetery
http://www.ozburials.com/CemsNSW/carcoar1.htm
BOSS, Elizabeth.
Dear mother, died 10 June 1887, aged 65 years (with Robert and Victor)
BOSS, Robert.
Dear father, died 14 January 1904, aged 88 years (with Elizabeth and Victor)
BOSS, Victor.
Dear brother, died 26 December 1870, aged 3 months (with Elizabeth and Robert)
Cando
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Info about Robert's parents
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bvk/
Cando
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Info about Elizabeth nee REX,one of her brothers was Thomas REX, a Stone Mason who arrived in Sydney from Port Phillip on the Sea Horse c 1841, another brother was David PERRIER of 7 King St Sydney ...
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12979742
SMH 25 October 1855
Cheers, JM
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Robert BOSS had difficulties in his daily living in 1864, and a Dr Rowland attended him when he had taken consumed an overdose http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13105383 29 November 1864 SMH
JM
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Thank you all, for the great replies to my enquires, lots of information .
much appreciated. :)
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Oh my... I only just found this so sorry for being so late.
Right, the first thing you need to know is the English ancestors of this Boss family were Romany Gypsies.
Riley Boss or Boswell c.1798 s/o Elisha Boswell & Zuha (reputedly Seni Boss) was married at least 3 times, and died in 1850 at Kensington (a place known then as The Potteries, a gypsy encampment, now known as Notting Hill.) Story goes Riley cut his hand skinning a Rabbit and got blood poisoning and died. He had previously travelled Lincolnshire, Yorkshire and as far west as Warwickshire and as far south as Suffolk. Quite a reasonable sized area for gypsies of the time. Remember this is pre wagon days, when gypsies travelled with horses and donkeys and lived in Bender Tents.
Anyway, polygamy was totally acceptable in the Romany Gypsy world in those days, and Riley had at least three wives.
They were: Charlotte Hammond, Lucy Boswell, and Susan "Shurensi" Smith. This last woman was often called Yoki Shuri.
Of the three, Lucy Boswell got out of the relationship and emigrated to the USA with some of her offspring. Susan "Shurensi" died in Hull in 1868, and Charlotte Hammond, which is the important wife in this particular Boss story, left Riley and went off with Zachariah Lee, By whom she had several other children.
Charlotte Hammond provided Riley with the following children:
Robert c.1817 Milverton Warwickshire
Charles b.circa 1815 (not found)
Delorania c.1820 Woolpit Sfk
Elias b.1826 Sudbourne Sussex - (baptised as Golias but never seems to use the name again)
Of these, all three men were tried for Horse Stealing. Robert and Charles, together in 1835 at Norfolk Assizes, and Elias with John Budd Gray in 1844 at Lincoln Assizes.
Their sister Delorania managed to stay out of trouble and married Aaron Heron also known as Young.
Robert and Charles ended up in Portsmouth on Prison Hulks (the Hardy and the Leviathan respectively) prior to their transportation in 1836 on the ship "Recovery". Charles died soon after arrival on the 1st Oct 1836.
Robert (who died 14 Jan 1904) went on to marry Elizabeth Letitia Rex (1822 Somerset-1887 Carcoar) they had a large family:
Matilda Mary Jane m. John MacClosky
Isabella Elizabeth m. William Fletcher
Elizabeth Letitia m. Thomas Joseph Smith
Emily Emmeline m. Daniel Charters
Jane Agnes m. John Shandley Hogan
Charles Robert Frederick m. Christiana Chesher
George Thomas m. Ellen Mary Obrien
Noah Robert m. Kate Harvey
Mary Ann m. Alfred Henry
Charlotte Ellen m. Michael J Chew
Elias William m. Catherine Chew
Samuel Owen d.1891
Arthur Joseph m. Esther Alice Purcell
Edward Victor 1870-1870
Now Elias Williams children were:
Florence E m. Michael Joseph Obrien
Herbert Hector m. Lila Pearl Wilson
Julia A C m. James T Newland
Isabella D
Mary Evaline J m. James M Picker
Robert Bannister d.1918 France killed in Action.
Finally, a little about Elias Boss the brother who was transported in 1844 - in Tasmania he married Frances Bonney, and their children were:
Delorania Bertha m. Henry Bish
Deliah Mary m. Albert John Watson
Caroline Lavinia
Elias Sylvester James
Lapoleons Rebbi Charles
May Ellie Rubina.
No Im not directly descended from any of them, I researched them out of pure fascination through being very very distantly related by the marriage of Riley and Susans dtr Susan who married Pasthomas Gray, the nephew of the John Budd Gray who went over the seas with Elias.
Hope it helps a bit :)
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Oh a bit more abt the convoluted and extended family:
Charlotte Hammond (reputedly d/o Antony Hammond and Paizi Heron) b.cir 1798 later married Zachariah Lee.
This Zachariah was transported in 1835 with his brother Major Lee (for the same crime as Robert & Charles Boss), and he died in 1847 Summerhill NSW
He and Charlotte had
Vashti (Wasti) Lee who married Johnny Gray (son of John Budd Gray)
Lavinia who married Oliver Cooper
and Eliza married Matthew Cooper.
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Other half siblings of Robert & Charles were by Riley Bosses other two wives.
By Lucy Boswell there was:
Sylvester m. Notavena Smith (went to USA)
Naomi m. Joseph Crabtree (m1865 and reputedly died young)
Isaac "Haggi" m.Mary Smith - he was transported but managed to come back to England. His daughter Maud was born in Australia in 1883, and returned with him.
Elizabeth m. Phoenix Taylor
Mowellus (went to the USA)
Nelson m. Sophia Heron
Samson m. Susie Gray (went to USA, where he married Janie Rowells in 1883)
By Susan "Shurensi" Smith:
Louis m. Alice Gray and later Rachel Lee
Shurensa Desibersa m. Frampton Heron
Brittania m. William Wilson (she died in 1849)
Newcombe m. Angelina Smith
Deliah Wilhelmina m. George Wilson
Susan m. Pasthomas/Posthumus Gray s/o Piramus brother of John Budd Gray
Agnes (spinster of Hull, Yorkshire)
Penelly (no other info apart from her bapt in 1837 at Winteringham Lincs)
Narroly/Harroly (reputedly died young)
Siara/Seara m. William James Boustead a fisherman at Hull.
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This is extensive information.It is not easy keeping the Boss/Boswells straight. After Samson Boss came to America in abt 1883 and he married Jane Rowells wouldn't she be the mother of Delilah rather than his first wife Susie Gray? The Daughter Delila went on to marry Joseph young son of Frampton Young.(sometimes went by Fred Hearn??)
Can anyone tell me more about Delilah,Joseph and the Young's. Joseph and Delilah are my great grandparents I have found out.
Thank you,
Colleen A
Thank you
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Is this Frampton and Otta young who came to America (see partial passenger list below)the same one who Married Desibersa Boswell that you mention? Is this Otta also Desibersa? In Their son Joe Young's death record Illinois( 1933) she is Louise Smith? It says Frampton Young and Louise Smith were born in England and their son Joe Young's Wife was Delilah Boss. Just need help figuring out who Joe Young's mother was.
Thanks, Colleen
SS Neptune 9th August 1855 A large family of Young
* Gypsies* arrived in America from Liverpool
Frampton Young ..........1832 -23
Otta Young ..............1831 -24
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This is extensive information.It is not easy keeping the Boss/Boswells straight. After Samson Boss came to America in abt 1883 and he married Jane Rowells wouldn't she be the mother of Delilah rather than his first wife Susie Gray? The Daughter Delila went on to marry Joseph young son of Frampton Young.(sometimes went by Fred Hearn??)
Janie Rowells married in 1883 Tallapoosa Alabama, but Deliah according to my records was born 1869 Ohio which would make her Susie Grays daughter.
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Is this Frampton and Otta young who came to America (see partial passenger list below)the same one who Married Desibersa Boswell that you mention? Is this Otta also Desibersa? In Their son Joe Young's death record Illinois( 1933) she is Louise Smith? It says Frampton Young and Louise Smith were born in England and their son Joe Young's Wife was Delilah Boss. Just need help figuring out who Joe Young's mother was.
Thanks, Colleen
SS Neptune 9th August 1855 A large family of Young
* Gypsies* arrived in America from Liverpool
Frampton Young ..........1832 -23
Otta Young ..............1831 -24
Cant say for certain.I dont have many USA records and none for Framptons children. All I know is according to the Heron and Boss pedigrees (Journals of the Gypsy Lore Society) Frampton married a "Separai Boss, daughter of Riley and Shurensi (Susan Smith) Boss. The only daughter of this pair not accounted for was the Shuransa Desibera c.1825 Bramford Suffolk, so I am presuming until proved otherwise its her. I cannot say if Frampton had any more wives after he left for the USA, this is all I know.
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ZACHARIAH LEE / CHARLOTTE HAMMOND
Hi, referenced above is the detail of Zachariah Lee & Charlotte Hammond parenting Vashti / Lavinia and Eliza.
Can I ask where this information was sourced from?
It's true Oliver Coopers second partner was a Lavinia Lee proven by the birth certificate of one of their children, the rest I haven't looked into to confirm but the Convict Indent for Zachariah states he was married at the time of his 'departure' and father to two girls, not three - perhaps if the above is correct Eliza was in the oven at the time he was convicted.
Is there any information as to what happened to Charlotte Hammond or a baptism for her?