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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: kimberlynn on Wednesday 16 February 11 11:59 GMT (UK)
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trying to find birth of margaret mclean 1850-1855 stornaway, and if poss 1861 census. any help much appreciated.
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Hi Kimberlynn
There are no births/baptisms showing in Stornoway for Margaret during that time period. Do you know what religion the family were?
The 1861 census have three possibles:
One aged 9, with parents Kenneth and Mary
One aged9 , with mother, Mary
One aged 6, with parents Norman and Catherine
* no obvious Peggys
Do you have any information about any children she may have had in case she named them for her parents?
JL
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no, i dont know religion, i know of only 2 children william and sarah annie, and her father,s name was donald on the marriage. he was born in scotland. she wed peter dutton in cheshire in 1881, this is all i have, with thanks kimx
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This looks a possible then:
1861
Lochs, Lewis
Donald MacLean, 50, Crofter
Mary, 50
Catharine, 25
Annie, 15
Margaret, 10
All born Lochs
Lochs is the parish just to the south of Stornoway:
http://scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-caithness.htm
I'll see if I can find anything else.
JL
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Possible census entry in 1881 at Crowton Cheshire?
birth: 1853 — Stornaway, Scotland
residence: Crowton, Cheshire, England
name: Margaret A. Mc Lean
age: 28
gender: Female
birth year: 1853
birthplace: Stornaway, Scotland
relationship to head of household: Boarder
marital condition: Unknown
profession / occupation: Domestic Servant Out Of EmpolyMent
address: Pickerings Oth Boat
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thanks again jl! yes this looks as if it could be them, and it could be margaret because on the census,s i have both birth dates are different so she could have been born earlier but not sure by 10 yrs? unless they had another margaret? and thank you to deebel i have this census but thank you anyway -- kimx
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I'm ever so sorry :-[ - the census I gave info for was the 1861 and not the 1851 - i was thinking of the year of her birth and typed that. I'll amend the posting
JL
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Here's the 1861 family in 1851:
Leurbost, Lochs
Donald Maclean, 42, farmer of 2 acres*
Mary, 42
Catharine, 15
Malcolm, 10
Anne, 6
Mary, 4
Margaret, 6 months
All b. Lochs
* at this time, when there was a process of land reform/clearances, the occupations varied between censuses - crofter, farmer, lotter, tenant. Tenancies were not regularised until the Crofting Act of 1886, which gave security of tenure to the crofters.
What is Donald's occupation on the marriage cert.?
JL
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Here is a location map to show the closeness of Leurbost, Lochs to Stornoway:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bv9/
JL
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:)
I think the family that I've found is probably the correct one as the 1911 free index is showing her as 61, in the Runcorn RD. She possibly reduced her age because her husband was 3-4 years younger than her and, as they got older, it didn't matter as much.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
Interestingly,, on the 1901 there is a son called Donald Dutton, aged 25 (b.c. 1876) in Kingsley, Cheshire. I've not found him as Dutton or M*clean n the 1881 so far.
JL
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I think that this is Donald's birth registration:
Donald Maclean, June q, 1875, Runcorn, v 8a p 238
I've just found some more evidence that might lead me to the correct family but will need to do some more research. I'll get back to you.
JL
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here again! i have the 1911 census for margaret and peter thats how i found her ,and yes- the funny thing that struck me was donald 1875, and where he was in 1881? peter was with his father and margaret in service, very odd that? but thanks for all this info, much obliged! i too think the donald and mary census,s are the ones. kim x
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In 1871
Lochs
Donald Mclean, 58, crofter
Mary, w, 58
Malcolm, s, 30, fisherman
Ann, d, 25, servant
Peggy, d,19, servant
Farquhar Smith, visitor, 21, fisherman
All b. Lochs
No sign on the 1881.
JL
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Hold everything! Here is the John McLean who we talked about:
1881
8 Imersligach, Stornoway
John McLean, 44, ships carpenter, b. Lochs
Mary, 41
Peter, 10
Euphemia, 7
John Murdo, 4
Donald, 2
Ann Mclean, 2 months
All but John were born Stornoway
The birth entry for Euphemia on the IGI (extracted) ~
15 May 1873, Stornoway. Parents John McLean and Mary Maclennan
John and Mary's marriage was on 2nd April 1868 at Stornoway
His parents were Donald McLean, sawyer and Ann, m.s. Macleod (deceased)
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I think that this is the family on the 1841
Ballan, Lochs
Donald Maclean, 25, ST (Sub Tenant)
Anne, 25
John, 5
All b. County
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And, in 1851:
Church Street, Stornoway
Donald Maclean, 35, sawer, b. Lochs, Gravar (Grabhair)
Ann, w, 35, b. Lochs Gairyvard (Gearraidh Bhaird)
John, s, 14, b. -do-
Peggy, d, 3, b. Lochs, Balallan
Mary, 4 months, b. Lochs Balallan
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And, in 1861
52 Culnagreen Road, Stornoway
Donald Maclean, 41, Sawyer, b. Lochs
Ann, w, 46
John, s, 24, ships carpenter
Peggy, d, 13
Mary , d, 10
Murdo, s, 7
All b. Lochs
So, we have two possible sets of parents for your Margaret/Peggy!
What was Donald's occupation on the marriage cert?
JL
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my word! you have been busy, your a star!! i have no occupation for donald on the marriage i think i had it of the web somewhere its been a while now, what i did come across was a donald mclean wed to a annie 10 yrs younger, in 1881 census and a child lillian age 3, in everton lancs and donald was born in scotland and was a ships carpenter, i wonder if it has any reverence? he was born in 1834 on it annie was from liverpool.
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I don't think it's the same Donald - a coincidence, I'd say, as Donald was born 1816 ish
I'll go and have a look to see deaths.
JL
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I've found Anne McLean. nee Macleod 's death:
16th August 1866 at Culregrein, Stornoway. Ann MacLeod, married to Donald McLean, sawyer. Aged 54. Her parents were Malcolm MacLeod, crofter and Catharine Macleod, m.s. Ferguson
A neighbour, Alexander Macleod, was the informant.
JL
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oh i see, i had donald born 1835 ish as margaret was born in 1850,s i am getting mixed up now . oh dear! its my age ha!
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Why do you think that the 1835 one is related?
Neither of the Donald's that I've identified in the Scottish censuses were that young - One was born circa 1808 and the other circa 1816. John was born in 1837, so the 1835 one would have been only 2 :-\ Also, Margaret/Peggy was born 1848-1850, so he would have been 13-15.
I think that the one you've found in 1881 is likely to be someone totally different and it is just a coincidence.
JL
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completely wrong!! where the hell was i then! i am so sorry of course it was earlier! so-- do you personally feel its johns sister (peggy ) thats our margaret or the other family (donald and mary) ? i would like your opinion on this if thats ok?
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It's tricky, but given what you know about the later censuses, the evidence suggests that John and Margaret are probably siblings so Donald McLean, the sawyer, and Ann Mcleod are likely to be the parents. It's a bit of a percentage game though and I'd rate this couple as slightly better odds at the moment.
I think you really do need to get the marriage cert of Margaret and Peter Dutton so that you can get Donald's occupation
June q, 1881, Northwich, v 8a p 331
The Parish records from Christ Church, Crowton on family search pilot has her father as Donald Maclean but no occupation. Peter's father is William - which explains their son's name. Unfortunately, Peter's mother is an Ann so we can't say that the Ann in Sarah Ann came from Margaret's mother :-\ However, there is no Mary, which again favours Ann as her mother.
The two trees on Ancestry (both Harkiss) have the other family but they don't have her married to anyone either!
JL
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i do agree, and yes i will have to get the marriage cert--- well ,thanks for all your help! take care kim x
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DONALD MACLEAN (1815 – 11:2:1890), son of Finlay/Margaret Macdonald from Gravir, married (at Lochs on 23:4:1832) Ann Macleod (1815 – 16:8:1866), daughter of Malcolm/Catherine Ferguson from Garyvard.
They lived in Garyvard before moving to Balallan in the late 1830's. They moved to Stornoway in c1851.
Donald remarried to Christina Campbell (1834 – 1894) from Keith Street, Stornoway in Stornoway on 2:12:1874.
Son John was a ships carpenter. He married Mary Maclennan (1842 – 28:1:1884) of Coulregrein, Stornoway in Stornoway on 2:4:1868. They lived in Stornoway.
Don't know what happened to Margaret (b1848) or Mary (b1850)
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with thanks space spiff ! i have been looking for finlay and margaret, and did not know donald remarried! i know where margaret got to as its my husbands great gran and we have the info on her, thank you for your help, kim xx