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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: john.pirret on Wednesday 16 February 11 05:49 GMT (UK)
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This is a long shot as I am looking to find the wife of Jon Pirat (round about 1575) from Kilsyth area.
Jon PIRRET (aka Pirat) was born about 1575 in Scotland.
Jon married someone.
His children were:
William PIRRET (aka Pirat) was born about 1598.
John PIRRET (aka Pirat) was born about 1600 in Scotland and died in Mar 1658 aged about 58.
Margaret PIRRET (aka Pirat) was born about 1600 in Scotland. Margaret married Johne HAY on 25 Jul 1621.
I have the birth certificate for Margret but I dont think the mother is on it, or I cant read it.
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I have the birth certificate for Margret but I dont think the mother is on it, or I cant read it.
If you can post the relevant birth entry maybe someone will be able to check for you to see if a mother is named.
Also, have you checked the other birth/baptisms in case the mother is named on one of them?
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There are quite a few submitted records for the Kilsyth Pirrets on the IGI. If this is your source you would be advised to check these against the original PR's.
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Hi
I've just run a baptism check on P*r*t* (no first names) in Kylsyth 1538-1854 on SP.
22 entries come up. The nearest to the Margaret (variations) is 11 Sept 1622:
Margreat Pirret d/o William Pirret
I would be interested in the source of your information.
JL
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Margaret and William are the son and Daughter, I was giving the info of my anscestors by a relation, I have done research myself through scotlands people where I found Margarets marriage certificate ( different spelling). I made a mistake I do not have the birth certificate for Margaret only the marriage 25th July 1621
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He might have married elsewhere.
I'm just wondering if this is a possible marriage for your John:
13 Sept 1598 Edinburgh Johnne Pollert and Jean McGill
No other info given.
It's the nearest that I can find but, of course, the record of a marriage might not have survived.
Have you looked at wills or other docs at the NAS?
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/
JL
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This is all fascinating reasearching such ancient documents.
Have you tried to locate the births in case mother's name is given?
I don't have the knowledge or skills to read the PR you posted, but there are many here on rootschat who do. The second line looks something like Margrit Pir..t bapt fo... (cannot read the rest) - but I may well be wrong. ;)
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Hi Ruskie
As I said in my first message, there are no births/baptisms for those dates:
Hi
I've just run a baptism check on P*r*t* (no first names) in Kylsyth 1538-1854 on SP.
22 entries come up. The nearest to the Margaret (variations) is 11 Sept 1622:
Margreat Pirret d/o William Pirret
I would be interested in the source of your information.
JL
JL
PS - the snip is from her marriage/banns not a baptism
Margaret and William are the son and Daughter, I was giving the info of my anscestors by a relation, I have done research myself through scotlands people where I found Margarets marriage certificate ( different spelling). I made a mistake I do not have the birth certificate for Margaret only the marriage 25th July 1621
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I'm wondering if Ann Anderson might have some info from her MI data base?
I'll PM her to draw her attention to this thread.
JL
There's nothing in this online doc:
http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/35.pdf
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Sorry - I don't have anything on Pirret or any variation.
I had a look at the Mitchell's pre-1855 MI book but there's nothing there either.
There are the following (initials only): [The 'No.s' represent the numbers in the book and have nothing to do with Lair Numbers]
JP & MA (No. 282)
JP & JF (No. 430)
JP & ET (No. 430)
JP & MW (No. 350)
No. 282 - On this same stone are various members of the Patrick Family, so JP will almost certainly be a J. Patrick & wife MA
No. 430 - On this stone also are various members of the Patrick Family, so JP will be as above
No. 430 - Same stone as before, probably a different generation
No. 350 - Nothing else apart from the years 1724 and 1760. (This stone also has a later inscription - a William Harley
Anne
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Hi Ruskie
As I said in my first message, there are no births/baptisms for those dates:
Hi
I've just run a baptism check on P*r*t* (no first names) in Kylsyth 1538-1854 on SP.
22 entries come up. The nearest to the Margaret (variations) is 11 Sept 1622:
Margreat Pirret d/o William Pirret
I would be interested in the source of your information.
JL
JL
PS - the snip is from her marriage/banns not a baptism
Margaret and William are the son and Daughter, I was giving the info of my anscestors by a relation, I have done research myself through scotlands people where I found Margarets marriage certificate ( different spelling). I made a mistake I do not have the birth certificate for Margaret only the marriage 25th July 1621
No I understand all that JL - It's just that I thought that the word looked like bapt. :)
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It does a bit - funny old writing!
I've just had a look at the page and under each entry there is a similar word. I wonder if there was a check on a baptism before Banns were called or is it Banns and not Bapt :-\
Lucky to get back that far though. I've only managed that on a couple of main lines.
JL
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Thanks for the info the only info I have is;
Jon PIRRET (aka Pirat) was born about 1575 in Scotland.
Jon married someone.
His children were:
William PIRRET (aka Pirat) was born about 1598.
John PIRRET (aka Pirat) was born about 1600 in Scotland and died in Mar 1658 aged about 58.
Margaret PIRRET (aka Pirat) was born about 1600 in Scotland. Margaret married Johne HAY on 25 Jul 1621.
They know who the children are but cant find the wife.
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Saying someone was born "abt" a year, rings alarm bells as that is usually how submitted records on the IGI are written.
These are often just guesses sometimes calculated from year of marriage or births of children for example. Even worse, some appear to be simply invented. These unproven guesses are then added to people's trees and taken as gospel by anyone tracing this line.
I don't know how to suggest that you check these as I've never traced back that far myself. ;) I've had a quick look and can't see anything that mentions how early the PR's for the area begin.
I don't think there is anything here:
http://www.kilsyth.org.uk/history.html but there may be someone you can contact who can point you in the right direction.
As well as just looking for the marriage, my suggestion of looking for the children's baptisms, and maybe Jon's death may lead somewhere? :-\
But, frustratingly, there may be nothing there to be found ....