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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: talktonite on Tuesday 15 February 11 19:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm looking for any information on Fanny Levine born 8th September 1904 in Stepney, London or her parents. She married Myer Cohen in 1931 and died in 1946.
I have the birth, death and marriage index records from Ancestry but I'm looking for records which include her parents names. They were born in Russia and moved to the East End of London. They were called Woolf Levine and Beila Lavatt.
I've found a 1901 census with Woolf as a child living in Whitechapel which could be him (also born in Russia) but I'm hoping to find more evidence it is him before making an official link. If this was him, his mother was also called Fanny (he have named his daughter after his mum?). The birth date is also a good match (1886).
I can't find anything at all on Beila.
Thanks in advance
Marc
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Hi
Have you made a search of the 1911 census for them. Requesting searches for the 1911 census is at present not allowed on Rootschat. You must search the census for yourself.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
On a free search the Woolf you mention - surname spelt the same as on the 1901 census 'Levene' appears to be in Shoreditch, which is where his parents are. No sign of a Fanny born 1904 though.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda,
Yes, I have found the same record on the 1911. It was quite a while ago - I'd forgotten! (thought I'd give this another go:)
I now don't think that this Woolf is the one I'm looking for. On the 1911, he is 25. He would have been a father and had his daughter by now - not living with his parents.
Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't have checked my old 1911 search without the prompt.
Any other help appreciated!
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Can you point us to the birth registration index entry you have found for Fanny? I am struggling with it. (Have found the marriage to Myer and her later death).
Do the parents' names come from her birth certificate or another source? If you have the birth certificate, what was the address given at the date of the birth?
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Thanks for the reply.
Maybe I got the birth index wrong. It's from 1906. Fanny was definitely born 8/9/1904 in Hogarth House, Batty Street, Stepney. I think I got it from the wedding cert which I no longer have in my possession (I'm working on viewing it again though!).
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Hi
There was a Batty Street in St George in the East just off Commerical Road
Births Dec 1904
Levine Fanny St. Geo. East 1c 302
How have you established that was her birth registration and not for instance
Births Jun 1904
LEVINE Fanny W.Ham 4a 142
Only her age would be given on her marriage and death certificate, not her date or place of birth. Her father's name and occupation should be given on both if her birth was legitimate.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda,
Commercial Road is the right area. My grandparents are from there.
Her father, Woolf was a teacher of hebrew in 1931. I must have got this for the wedding cert as the date matches up.
I really think I need to see the paperwork again!
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In 1911, Myer (her husband to be) lived 2 streets away from Batty Street (Christian Street) so thats another match.
Hi Valda,
Commercial Road is the right area. My grandparents are from there.
Her father, Woolf was a teacher of hebrew in 1931. I must have got this for the wedding cert as the date matches up.
I really think I need to see the paperwork again!
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Some sources (including naturalisation petitions) give "Hogarth House(s)" addresses on Christian Street, so it may have been a development/estate (as we would call it now) which sprawled between Christian Street and Batty Street.
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Useful to know. Thanks avm228.
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Hi all, I now have the birth certificate of Fanny Levine in my position. Attached.
Any help to find more on her parents (Wolf and Beila) would be appreciated.
Thanks
Marc
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This is the 1901 census
Shows Woolf Levene born Russia 1886 with his parents Hyman and Fanny
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9D6-BM4
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Naturalization Certificate for Hyman LEVENE
27th Aug 1902
Residing at 104 Wentworth Buildings, Goulston St, Aldgate, London
A subject of Russia, having been born at Galvan, Vilna, and is the son of Abraham and Zette Levene, both subjects of Russia, at the age of 40 years, a cabinet maker is married and has 4 children under age residing with him, viz:-
Woolf Levene age 16 yrs
Isaac Levene age 14
Gold Levene age 10
Nesha Levene age 5
Grave marker for Woolf Levene
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/222417318/walter-woolf-levene
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Thank you. I’d previously see that but discounted it. I can’t remember why and it now seems to fit. I think I may have been wrong.
It certainly matches up with his daughter and mother having the same name.
I’ve just signed up to Ancestry again so will have another look properly.
This is the 1901 census
Shows Woolf Levene born Russia 1886 with his parents Hyman and Fanny
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9D6-BM4
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Thank you. I have this but I’m not yet sure it’s him as there were possibly 2 Woolf Levine’s in that part of London.
Naturalization Certificate for Hyman LEVENE
27th Aug 1902
Residing at 104 Wentworth Buildings, Goulston St, Aldgate, London
A subject of Russia, having been born at Galvan, Vilna, and is the son of Abraham and Zette Levene, both subjects of Russia, at the age of 40 years, a cabinet maker is married and has 4 children under age residing with him, viz:-
Woolf Levene age 16 yrs
Isaac Levene age 14
Gold Levene age 10
Nesha Levene age 5
Grave marker for Woolf Levene
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/222417318/walter-woolf-levene
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The confusing part may be explained by Woolf or Beila of being married twice (or there actually being 2 Woolfs).
We know that the grave of Bella Levene (1879-1949) includes Woolf noted on the stone. It’s at Edmonton Federation Cemetary.
I’ve also found a Woolf Levine married to Millie Maisiner (1891-1963) maybe in 1912. This Woolf had a mother called Fanny. Coincidence?
The reason why I discounted the census previously is because Woolf and Beila have children born in Russia and London. So he couldn’t have been on a census as a child, meaning the naturalisation is wrong too. Unless he did grow up here, Beila came over from Russia with children and then married him.
All very confusing.
Thanks in advance.
Thank you. I’d previously see that but discounted it. I can’t remember why and it now seems to fit. I think I may have been wrong.
It certainly matches up with his daughter and mother having the same name.
I’ve just signed up to Ancestry again so will have another look properly.
This is the 1901 census
Shows Woolf Levene born Russia 1886 with his parents Hyman and Fanny
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9D6-BM4
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Hi
The family are being a bit awkward.
In 1911 they are in Short Street Spitalfields
Woolfe 35 ,Rebecca 33
Joseph 15,Lazarus 10 ,Fanny or Paucey as transcribed by A* 8, Mary /May 6 ,David 3 and Mark 1mths.
David Jack 1908-1970 looks like he goes on to be a professional footballer.
Mary born 11 .8.1906
Mark Monty 1911-2002.
Not getting them on the other censuses ,will keep digging.
There is an Isaac mmn Lavett born 1898 so they should be on the 1901.
Ciderdrinker
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Found them 1939 in Calvin st Spittalfields
Woolf ,Becky ,Mark 1911,Judah 1913 ,Freda 1914 and Nathan 1919.
1921 St George in the East -Woolf ,Rebecca ,Nathan and Marcus.
Her birthplace is interesting. It also gives his.
Trying to give enough info for you to find them but not so much that it causes a problem with copyright.
Ciderdrinker
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That looks very positive! I have a subscription to Ancestry again so I’ll check it out. Thank you!
Found them 1939 in Calvin st Spittalfields
Woolf ,Becky ,Mark 1911,Judah 1913 ,Freda 1914 and Nathan 1919.
1921 St George in the East -Woolf ,Rebecca ,Nathan and Marcus.
Her birthplace is interesting. It also gives his.
Trying to give enough info for you to find them but not so much that it causes a problem with copyright.
Ciderdrinker